Murder rate gone up by 33%.

AnonoBoy · 23-09-2014 2:43pm

I think the statistics are lying.

I've lived in Ireland for nearly 40 years and in all that time I've never once been murdered.

Hoop66 · 23-09-2014 2:50pm

Ah yeah. Sorry. That was me.

Highflyer13 · 23-09-2014 2:55pm

The crime rate in the Dublin area in general must be shocking. As someone who has been the victim of:

-1 house robbery
-1 phone robbery on Westmoreland Street

and my girlfriend
-1 phone robbery on Mountjoy Sq
-indecently assaulted by some scumbag on Dublin Bus in broad daylight
-Hassled by a group of scumbags drinking cans by the canal in Cabra

I well believe it. Dublin is gone to the dogs in parts. All the above in the past 8 months.

Beano · 23-09-2014 2:56pm

Highflyer13 wrote: »

As someone who has been the victim of:

-1 house robbery
-1 phone robbery on Westmoreland Street

and my girlfriend
-1 phone robbery on Mountjoy Sq
-indecently assaulted by some scumbag on Dublin Bus in broad daylight
-Hassled by a group of scumbags drinking cans by the canal in Cabra

I well believe it. Dublin is gone to the dogs in parts. All the above in the past 8 months.

I didnt spot the breakdown by county for those figures. can you point them out to me?

conorhal · 23-09-2014 3:01pm

endacl wrote: »

Scumbag v scumbag self solving problem crimes are up.

Crimes that effect real people are down.

Happy days.

Except they're not. The Guardai brass are currently $h1tting themselves about a report tha's due to be shelvedpublished next month that clearly show how they have been re-clasifying and under reporting on a massive scale.

Any fan of The Wire knows all about 'juking the stats' but the scale of it aparently puts the penelty points fiasco in the halpenny place. If course the dogs in the street know it, the massive increese in crimes the Guards can't statistically hide, like murder, stand at odds with a general decline in crime, which is going unreported, unrecorded or reclasified as lesser offences that don't make the headline crime stats.

P.Walnuts · 23-09-2014 3:27pm

Beano wrote: »

I wouldnt like any child to witness a murder. But you seem to be implying that the Gardai are standing idly by and doing nothing. The significant drop in the murder rate since 2006 shows this not to be true. It just isnt possible to prevent every murder.

Any stats to back this up?

Pretty sure we had out worst year in recent history (around 80) in the past couple of years

Beano · 23-09-2014 3:31pm

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Any stats to back this up?

Pretty sure we had out worst year in recent history (around 80) in the past couple of years

for your reading pleasure

http://cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c1.asp&TableName=Homicide+Offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ

P.Walnuts · 23-09-2014 3:38pm

Beano wrote: »

for your reading pleasure

http://cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c1.asp&TableName=Homicide+Offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ

So the rate has pretty much stayed the same for the past decade, aside for one or two years higher (2006 +2007) and lower (2004 and 2011).

So to say our murder rate has been dropping since 2006 is a little disingenious. Could easily say it has increased since 2011.

PS. We live in a safe country, without question.

Ralf and Florian · 23-09-2014 3:55pm

I wonder what the detection rate for murder is these days?When you consider that the vast majority of gangland killings go without any convictions I' d say it must be pretty low.

P.Walnuts · 23-09-2014 3:58pm

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

I wonder what the detection rate for murder is these days?When you consider that the vast majority of gangland killings go without any convictions I' d say it must be pretty low.

It's literally chalk and cheese I think

Very low detection for gangland murders, but for almost all the other types of murder detection is quite high. I'd struggle to think of more than a handful of 'unsolved' crimes, the ones we know are high profile for that reason, they are so rare.

Little CuChulainn · 23-09-2014 4:01pm

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

I wonder what the detection rate for murder is these days?When you consider that the vast majority of gangland killings go without any convictions I' d say it must be pretty low.

When you say the vast majority go without convictions are you basing that on any evidence?

P.Walnuts · 23-09-2014 4:05pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

When you say the vast majority go without convictions are you basing that on any evidence?

The wiki page for the Crumlin/Drimnagh feud said that there was only successful prosecution in 3 out of the 16 murders. I'd say that's fairly typical of gangland crimes, particularly in dublin.

Ralf and Florian · 23-09-2014 4:06pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

When you say the vast majority go without convictions are you basing that on any evidence?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/unsolved-gang-killings-top-100-in-two-divisions-30201392.html

Little CuChulainn · 23-09-2014 4:10pm

I would have thought the solve rate was higher, particularly recently.

Robbo · 23-09-2014 4:14pm

Tragically, I fear that the OP may have been murdered since this thread began.

Little CuChulainn · 23-09-2014 4:16pm

Robbo wrote: »

Tragically, I fear that the OP may have been murdered since this thread began.

Statistically, it seems he'll probably get away with it

Beano · 23-09-2014 4:19pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Statistically, it seems he'll probably get away with it

Do you think he murdered himself? Guaranteed to get away with it so.

Ralf and Florian · 23-09-2014 4:51pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I would have thought the solve rate was higher, particularly recently.

There seems to be a good record for detections in the case of Limerick gangland killings but the opposite is the case in Dublin.

Clark2014 · 23-09-2014 8:42pm

darkdubh wrote: »

So the official crime rates for this country have been released and murder is up in the last year by over 30%.Theres also big increases for kidnapping and other violent crime.So despite what the Guards and government keep telling us Irish society seems to getting more violent.

That unreal. Yet they will claim "crime is going down".

tayto lover · 23-09-2014 8:46pm

Holsten wrote: »

In realilty the rate is much higher due to the huge amount of unreporting that goes on, mostly down to Garda negligence.

:pac::pac:

Ha hba How many murders exactly went unreported?

Clark2014 · 23-09-2014 8:53pm

tayto lover wrote: »

:pac::pac:

Ha hba How many murders exactly went unreported?

He has a point a lot of small crimes go unreported.

Nodin · 23-09-2014 10:12pm

Clark2014 wrote: »

He has a point a lot of small crimes go unreported.

So there's a lot of small people murdered and its never reported?

copey · 23-09-2014 10:14pm

Burglaries up by 25% in winter

Beano · 23-09-2014 11:14pm

copey wrote: »

Burglaries up by 25% in winter

They're just trying to get in out of the cold.

darkdubh · 23-09-2014 11:17pm

Beano wrote: »

They're just trying to get in out of the cold.

Youre making a great contribution to this thread I must say.Keep up the trolling.

Beano · 23-09-2014 11:20pm

darkdubh wrote: »

Youre making a great contribution to this thread I must say.Keep up the trolling.

its called humour. look it up.

bb1234567 · 23-09-2014 11:36pm

Holsten wrote: »

In realilty the rate is much higher due to the huge amount of unreporting that goes on, mostly down to Garda negligence.

Not much higher...maybe the odd criminal death goes unrecorded but otherwise the stats are accurate. Do you think many murders of normal innocent people go unreported? They dont

bb1234567 · 23-09-2014 11:39pm

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

A few reasons for the increases seem to be a big increase in people getting killed in drunken assaults/stabbings at house parties.Maybe the easy avilability of cheap booze should be looked at and off licenses more heavily regulated.There seems to be more and more gangland killings certainly and people being killed for more trivial reasons.Being in a fight with some scummer in a pub and being shot a few days later,petty rows etc.

I dont think we need any booze regulations just because some lunatics stabbed eachother when they had a bit too much.

mikeyjames9 · 24-09-2014 12:16am

Riskymove wrote: »

Murders are not reported?

some get mistaken for homicides

darkdubh · 24-09-2014 12:47am

Beano wrote: »

its called humour. look it up.

Humour?Don't flatter yourself.For that you need to be funny.

Beano · 24-09-2014 9:37am

darkdubh wrote: »

Humour?Don't flatter yourself.For that you need to be funny.

humour is subjective. And this is AH after all.

Sofa King Great · 24-09-2014 9:57am

Wouldn't part of the reason that detection rates are so low in these gangland feuds be down to the fact that they are killing one person as he killed someone else? Mortality rate in the gangland business would be pretty high.

Pretty hard to build enough evidence to charge someone if, in the intervening period they are killed.

Beano · 24-09-2014 9:59am

Sofa King Great wrote: »

Wouldn't part of the reason that detection rates are so low in these gangland feuds be down to the fact that they are killing one person as he killed someone else? Mortality rate in the gangland business would be pretty high.

Pretty hard to build enough evidence to charge someone if, in the intervening period they are killed.

I think its more a case of a lack of witnesses. Or a lack of witnesses willing to testify anyway.

Murder rate gone up by 33%.

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