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Murder hate crime (blacks kill whites)

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    #92
    Nodin
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    No but you did say
    "Racism puts black people in poverty which leads to crime. Its fairly straightforward"

    So does it put other races in poverty as well??


    It can do, depending on the circumstances, as can sectarianism.
    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Are you black or have you lived amongst black people?

    I am white, and have known a few "black people" over the years.


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    #93
    Help!!!!
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    Nodin wrote: »
    It can do, depending on the circumstances, as can sectarianism.


    I am white, and have known a few "black people" over the years.

    I lived in the U.K. for many years & have found that when things don't go their way they like to use the race card a lot more than other races


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    #94
    Nodin
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    I lived in the U.K. for many years & have found that when things don't go their way they like to use the race card a lot more than other races


    Not seeing where you're going with that.


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    #95
    jank
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Being obtuse eh?

    The history of the Jewish people is vastly and substantially different to that of African Americans.

    I suspect that you know this full well, and are being "difficult" to derail the discussion.

    So again, you are arguing now against your own argument. The simple argument you put forward was ""Racism puts black people in poverty which leads to crime. Its fairly straightforward"" and "Racism=poverty=crime".
    Are you saying that black people react differently to racism than Jews.


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    #96
    creolebelle
    Registered Users Posts: 440 ✭✭creolebelle


    I'm quite surprised by the amount of passion and vitriol in these posts considering that ireland has such a small black population and hardly any african american expats.
    As a black american I can say that racism in the US is a lot more complicated than hate crimes and police brutality.
    There has been a 400 year old system of inequality that put black Americans on the bottom(and still do)
    Black Americans have preserved and and left a cultural mark that is known globally in spite of the boots on our necks. My ancestors were very successful and so are my parents but they had to have twice the education and experience of their non black colleagues.


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    #97
    creolebelle
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    jank wrote: »
    So again, you are arguing now against your own argument. The simple argument you put forward was ""Racism puts black people in poverty which leads to crime. Its fairly straightforward"" and "Racism=poverty=crime".
    Are you saying that black people react differently to racism than Jews.

    When Jews first arrived in the states they were forced to live in ghettoes and formed some of the most brutal gangs in the history of the US.


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    #98
    Nodin
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    jank wrote: »
    So again, you are arguing now against your own argument. The simple argument you put forward was ""Racism puts black people in poverty which leads to crime. Its fairly straightforward"" and "Racism=poverty=crime".
    Are you saying that black people react differently to racism than Jews.

    I'm saying that Jewish history is markedly different and I'm not going down a pointless Rabbit hole.


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    #99
    jank
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    creolebelle wrote: »
    When Jews first arrived in their states they were forced to live in ghettoes and formed some of the most brutal gangs in the history of the US.

    This is of course true. Irish and Italians were also know for their gangs. They were not welcomed with open arms at all and suffered systematic racism. Yet, over time they prospered...

    Today Jews have the highest household income in the entire USA. How then have they managed to be so successful over the course of time?


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    #100
    creolebelle
    Registered Users Posts: 440 ✭✭creolebelle


    jank wrote: »
    This is of course true. Irish and Italians were also know for their gangs. They were not welcomed with open arms at all and suffered systematic racism. Yet, over time they prospered...

    Today Jews have the highest household income in the entire USA. How then have they managed to be so successful over the course of time?

    Strong community and no institutional racism or in this case institutional anti semitism. The american class/racial structure wasn't designed to specifically oppress them. The Jewish community is VERY vocal in silencing any form of anti semitism(as they should be).
    Our politicians can't even mention the numerous human rights violations that occur in Israel without being labeled an anti Semite


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    #101
    creolebelle
    Registered Users Posts: 440 ✭✭creolebelle


    Nodin wrote: »
    I'm saying that Jewish history is markedly different and I'm not going down a pointless Rabbit hole.

    Thank you.


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    #102
    creolebelle
    Registered Users Posts: 440 ✭✭creolebelle


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    I lived in the U.K. for many years & have found that when things don't go their way they like to use the race card a lot more than other races
    So black Americans are the same as black Britons ?


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    #103
    Arbiter of Good Taste
    Registered Users Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    I'm sorry but Michael Brown was shot at 6 times from behind, 35 feet away from the police car. He was fleeing and unarmed. He was not a fugitive. The officer had no right to kill him. It was murder.

    No he was not. The autopsy showed that all the bullets were shot from his front. But we don't hear that correction from the mainstream media. What we also don't hear about is the police officer's broken eye socket. I wonder how he got that?

    I'm not saying anyone deserved to die, but why is the media afraid to print the facts?


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    #104
    jank
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    creolebelle wrote: »
    Strong community and no institutional racism or in this case institutional anti semitism. The american class/racial structure wasn't designed to specifically oppress them. The Jewish community is VERY vocal in silencing any form of anti semitism(as they should be).
    Our politicians can't even mention the numerous human rights violations that occur in Israel without being labeled an anti Semite


    Much of that is correct, whereby proves my point that the simplistic nonsense that some people argue (racism = poverty = crime ) still holds sway to the more naive and usually have an agenda. There are many factors at play, including one which you allude to, community or in other words culture. Jews have always been fiercely community oriented people, have a deep value for education and a very strong work ethic.

    Polices pursued by the state even now have also damaged the black community a great deal even when a lot of these polices were designed to help them. These policies well meaning and sincere at the times have actually contributed to damage their incomes, wealth and educational levels.


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    #105
    Ush1
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    Nodin wrote: »
    It can do, depending on the circumstances, as can sectarianism.


    I am white, and have known a few "black people" over the years.

    You are arguing against yourself.

    You were saying previously it was all so very simple, now you are mitigating that.


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    #106
    Reformed Character
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    I lived in the U.K. for many years & have found that when things don't go their way they like to use the race card a lot more than other races

    You mean when discriminated against, they have the temerity to complain?:eek:


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    #107
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Ush1 wrote: »
    You are arguing against yourself.

    You were saying previously it was all so very simple, now you are mitigating that.


    In reference to the condition of the African Americans, it is fairly straightforward. Of course when you don't suddenly want to converse about them, and perhaps bring up caste in India as a comparison, things become either more complicated or completely ridiculous.


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    #108
    Help!!!!
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    Reformed Character wrote: »
    You mean when discriminated against, they have the temerity to complain?:eek:

    Nope I'll give you an example:

    I was walking home with a bag of beers when a man came up to me & asked me to give him one ( he already stank of beer & his eyes were glazed over )
    I said NO & his reply was " Is it because you don't like the black man "
    Now I didn't care what colour he was I wasn't giving away a beer that I had worked all week for & looking forward to enjoying & his reply really pissed me off

    I've seen it happen in shops/fast food restaurants etc


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    #109
    Help!!!!
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    creolebelle wrote: »
    So black Americans are the same as black Britons ?

    No of course not, the same as black/Irish are not the same as black Americans or British


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    #110
    Ush1
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    Nodin wrote: »
    In reference to the condition of the African Americans, it is fairly straightforward. Of course when you don't suddenly want to converse about them, and perhaps bring up caste in India as a comparison, things become either more complicated or completely ridiculous.

    Yes and this case is very simply a case of racism against white people.


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    #111
    Ush1
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    Nodin wrote: »
    O dear jesus. Did you read the thread?

    Yes.


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    #112
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Ush1 wrote: »
    Yes.


    You realise it wasn't a mob of 400 who killed the lad etc?


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    #113
    Ush1
    Registered Users Posts: 11,461 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Nodin wrote: »
    You realise it wasn't a mob of 400 who killed the lad etc?

    What are you suggesting?


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    #114
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Ush1 wrote: »
    What are you suggesting?


    I'm wondering if you're familiar with what happened as opposed to the nonsense in the OP.


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    #115
    Ush1
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    Nodin wrote: »
    I'm wondering if you're familiar with what happened as opposed to the nonsense in the OP.

    I'd imagine I'm as familiar as you, since I'm guessing neither one of us was there and have just read reports.

    Now, are we going anywhere with this?


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    #116
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Ush1 wrote: »
    I'd imagine I'm as familiar as you, since I'm guessing neither one of us was there and have just read reports.

    Now, are we going anywhere with this?

    Only one person was killed. The only sources appearing to offer a racist motive as opposed to drunken thuggery are far right.


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    #117
    Herb Powell
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUi2A6tUYQk


    This is worth watching in it's entirety.


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    #118
    Ush1
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Only one person was killed. The only sources appearing to offer a racist motive as opposed to drunken thuggery are far right.

    Ah just the one so. Predictable. Would you say it was racist if four hundred white people were there and one of four black people was killed by members of the white group?

    I mean, clearly the guys who dragged James Byrd Junior were just thugs, not racists, the only evidence of racism is the liberal media.


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    #119
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Ush1 wrote: »
    Ah just the one so. Predictable. Would you say it was racist if four hundred white people were there and one of four black people was killed by members of the white group?
    ..........

    You know that not all 400 attacked? That they were helped by some black people?


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    #120
    Ush1
    Registered Users Posts: 11,461 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Nodin wrote: »
    You know that not all 400 attacked? That they were helped by some black people?

    Yes I do. Again, what does that have to do with the price of fish? Not all black people are racist, his attackers likely were however.


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    #121
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Ush1 wrote: »
    Yes I do. Again, what does that have to do with the price of fish? Not all black people are racist, his attackers likely were however.


    Is there any evidence of that outside of the right wing/racist internet news sites though?


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