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Murder hate crime (blacks kill whites)

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    #62
    james66
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    Just donated 100 euro to help Officer Darren Wilson. :) 330k raised so far.


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    #63
    Hootanany
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    james66 wrote: »
    Just donated 100 euro to help Officer Darren Wilson. :) 330k raised so far.

    Checks in the post:cool:


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    #64
    Nodin
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    jank wrote: »
    So you do want to have your cake and eat it. No surprises there. People can blame all kinds of things for their predicament but how about looking at one self for a starters. What you are saying is that the black population under achieve in education, wages and jobs and over represent themselves in crime solely due to racism?

    I'd say that's a large part of the problem.


    Are you saying they "under achieve in education, wages and jobs and over represent themselves in crime solely due to" the fact they're black?


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    #65
    jank
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    Nodin wrote: »
    I'd say that's a large part of the problem.


    Are you saying they "under achieve in education, wages and jobs and over represent themselves in crime solely due to" the fact they're black?

    I have already answered this.

    A 'large' part you say. How large and can you quantify it?


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    #66
    Nodin
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    jank wrote: »
    I have already answered this.

    Where?
    jank wrote: »
    A 'large' part you say. How large and can you quantify it?


    Of course it can't be precisely quantified. This isn't an exercise in accountancy. When you read a study like this, however, its evident that it is indeed widespread and prevalent


    The catch was that the authors manipulated the perception of race via the name of each applicant, with comparable credentials for each racial group. Each resume was randomly assigned either a very white-sounding name (Emily Walsh, Brendan Baker) or a very African-American-sounding name (Lakisha Washington, Jamal Jones).
    The authors find that applicants with white-sounding names are 50 percent more likely to get called for an initial interview than applicants with African-American-sounding names. Applicants with white names need to send about 10 resumes to get one callback, whereas applicants with African-American names need to send about 15 resumes to achieve the same result.
    http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/spring03/racialbias.html


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    jank
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    Nodin wrote: »

    Of course it can't be precisely quantified. This isn't an exercise in accountancy. When you read a study like this, however, its evident that it is indeed widespread and prevalent

    Where is it evident and wide spread precisely?
    No one is saying racism doesn't exist. However, it is a bit rich to say that there is huge systematic racism in all walks of life at play in the US because black people, males especially suffer hugely from crime, poverty and access to education. What systematic racism is at play specifically to cause black Americans who make up 13% of the population to make up 50% of those murdered, 91% of them by other blacks...how is this due to racism.

    Answer please while noting that the President of the US is black and the Attorney General is also black. Also note that the black population in the US are THE most prosperous, THE most educated and THE most wealthy out of any black population in the world.


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    #68
    Nodin
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    jank wrote: »
    Where is it evident and wide spread precisely?
    No one is saying racism doesn't exist. However, it is a bit rich to say that there is huge systematic racism in all walks of life at play in the US because black people, males especially suffer hugely from crime, poverty and access to education. What systematic racism is at play specifically to cause black Americans who make up 13% of the population to make up 50% of those murdered, 91% of them by other blacks...how is this due to racism..


    Where did I say that?

    Do you have any comment to make on the survey I linked?

    You might start here as in regard to your other questions
    https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/new-aclu-report-finds-overwhelming-racial-bias-marijuana-arrests


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    #69
    jank
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Where did I say that?

    The tone of the posts and the line of questioning. Anyone who questions the status-que of progressive liberal thinking in relation to poverty of blacks in the US or other minorities are themselves racist or harbor racists feelings. You have did it yourself in this thread. What about blacks themselves who speak out against this narrative. They are regularly called 'Uncle Toms' by their own. The issue is not race, its culture.


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    #70
    Nodin
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    jank wrote: »
    The tone of the posts and the line of questioning. Anyone who questions the status-que of progressive liberal thinking in relation to poverty of blacks in the US or other minorities are themselves racist or harbor racists feelings. You have did it yourself in this thread. What about blacks themselves who speak out against this narrative. They are regularly called 'Uncle Toms' by their own. The issue is not race, its culture.

    It's odd. You asked me to quantify something earlier, and I've presented two studies thus far to show that - although you can't point to racism in society in absolute definitive terms of 'x amount of people are racist' - there is indeed evidence that it is widespread. Thus far, all you've contributed is hot air and the usual 'rawwrr the lefties' rant.

    Would you care to comment on the studies I've linked?


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    jank
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    How do these studies tie in to the fact that huge amounts of homicides are carried out by black Americans against their fellow black Americans?

    Similar studies are shown in countries such as Australia where resumes with Anglo sounding names are 'generally' better received then non-Anglo names, yet this does not correlate at all to the amount of crime perpetrated by certain minorities. If one did a study like that in Ireland I am sure there would be discrepancies. I wonder if one did such a study in countries with Anglo/white minorities would the results be reversed e.g. say China and South Africa. The knee jerk reaction could be to say racism but it could be indicative of something else entirely.


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    #72
    Nodin
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    jank wrote: »
    How do these studies tie in to the fact that huge amounts of homicides are carried out by black Americans against their fellow black Americans? .

    ....joined up thinking. It's great, really.
    jank wrote: »
    Similar studies are shown in countries such as Australia where resumes with Anglo sounding names are 'generally' better received then non-Anglo names, yet this does not correlate at all to the amount of crime perpetrated by certain minorities. .................

    Racism=poverty=crime......


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    #73
    PeteFalk78
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Racism=poverty=crime......

    You could put those in any order you wish and still be equally right.


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    #74
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    You could put those in any order you wish and still be equally right.

    Not in this instance, no.


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    jank
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    Nodin wrote: »


    Racism=poverty=crime......

    Isn't it great to live in a simple world where one doesn't even have to question pre-conceived convictions. There was racist policies against the Jews in Europe for the best part of 400 years. Where is the poverty and where is the crime that should naturally follow by your logic.


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    #76
    AlekSmart
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Where?

    Of course it can't be precisely quantified.This isn't an exercise in accountancy.When you read a study like this, however, its evident that it is indeed widespread and prevalent

    The catch was that the authors manipulated the perception of race via the name of each applicant, with comparable credentials for each racial group. Each resume was randomly assigned either a very white-sounding name (Emily Walsh, Brendan Baker) or a very African-American-sounding name (Lakisha Washington, Jamal Jones).

    The authors find that applicants with white-sounding names are 50 percent more likely to get called for an initial interview than applicants with African-American-sounding names. Applicants with white names need to send about 10 resumes to get one callback,whereas applicants with African-American names need to send about 15 resumes to achieve the same result.
    http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/spring03/racialbias.html

    An opinion that some things "Can't be precisely quantified" is indeed significant,as heretofore there was a suggestion that if anything could'nt be linked or referenced to then it simply could'nt be considered.

    Therefore I would suggest that the Readers predisposition would be the best guide of how they arrive at the "widespread and prevalent" conclusion.

    The "catch",I would suggest,is far more to do with the reader's belief that there simply HAS to be a catch to facilitate jumping to inspired conclusions ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #77
    AlekSmart
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    jank wrote: »
    Isn't it great to live in a simple world where one doesn't even have to question pre-conceived convictions. There was racist policies against the Jews in Europe for the best part of 400 years. Where is the poverty and where is the crime that should naturally follow by your logic.

    Racism=poverty=crime.

    I often wonder what the definition of "Racism" actually is for many folk...?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #78
    Billy86
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Isn't that what American liberals say about every conservative publication.

    The top of every page on their website links to something called 'jihadwatch.org'.

    Nuff said.


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    #79
    Nodin
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    jank wrote: »
    Isn't it great to live in a simple world where one doesn't even have to question pre-conceived convictions. There was racist policies against the Jews in Europe for the best part of 400 years. Where is the poverty and where is the crime that should naturally follow by your logic.

    ....yes, because the story of the Jews in Europe and that of African Americans are an exact parallel. Why is it that rather than discuss studies of racism in the states, you'd rather go off on a tangent with these silly comparisons?


    Are you trying to imply that the African American population are somehow at fault here? Do please explain.


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    #80
    Nodin
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    AlekSmart wrote: »
    An opinion (............)inspired conclusions ?

    More guff, more heat, yet still no light.


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    #81
    jank
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    Nodin wrote: »
    ....yes, because the story of the Jews in Europe and that of African Americans are an exact parallel. Why is it that rather than discuss studies of racism in the states, you'd rather go off on a tangent with these silly comparisons?

    Of course it was different but you claim that 'Racism=poverty=crime'. It seems a pretty idiotic and constrained argument that does not lead itself to be misinterpreted or indeed account for different circumstances. Now you are arguing against your own argument. Well done.


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    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    jank wrote: »
    Of course it was different but you claim that 'Racism=poverty=crime'. It seems a pretty idiotic and constrained argument that does not lead itself to be misinterpreted or indeed account for different circumstances. Now you are arguing against your own argument. Well done.


    Again, off on a tangent. Do you want to discuss racism in the US based on what data is available or not?


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    #83
    jank
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Again, off on a tangent. Do you want to discuss racism in the US based on what data is available or not?

    Its not off tangent. You were caught out and are now trying to deflect attention away from the fact and your own facile argument.

    Racism = Poverty = Crime... please do explain this one to us


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    Nodin
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    jank wrote: »
    Its not off tangent. You were caught out and are now trying to deflect attention away from the fact and your own facile argument.

    Racism = Poverty = Crime... please do explain this one to us

    Racism puts black people in poverty which leads to crime. Its fairly straightforward.


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    jank
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    Racism was directed against many other peoples' as well, like the Jews for example. Why have they not resorted to crime and live in poverty?


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    Nodin
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    jank wrote: »
    Racism was directed against many other peoples' as well, like the Jews for example. Why have they not resorted to crime and live in poverty?

    Because, as stated before, the history of the Jews is completely different.


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    #87
    Help!!!!
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Racism puts black people in poverty which leads to crime. Its fairly straightforward.

    What about the racism by blacks on other races....whites, Chinese etc?
    Racism isn't just directed to black people the same way as slavery was not only against africans


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    Nodin
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    What about the racism by blacks on other races....whites, Chinese etc?
    Racism isn't just directed to black people the same way as slavery was not only against africans

    Don't recall saying "blacks" couldn't be racist.....


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    jank
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Because, as stated before, the history of the Jews is completely different.


    So you are in essence saying that Blacks react differently to racism than Jews, thereby your little Racism=poverty=crime tid-bit only applies to blacks.


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    Nodin
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    jank wrote: »
    So you are in essence saying that Blacks react differently to racism than Jews, thereby your little Racism=poverty=crime tid-bit only applies to blacks.


    Being obtuse eh?

    The history of the Jewish people is vastly and substantially different to that of African Americans.

    I suspect that you know this full well, and are being "difficult" to derail the discussion.


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    Help!!!!
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Don't recall saying "blacks" couldn't be racist.....

    No but you did say
    "Racism puts black people in poverty which leads to crime. Its fairly straightforward"

    So does it put other races in poverty as well?

    Are you black or have you lived amongst black people?


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