General Elections. The Constituency of Tipperary

tipptom · 06-06-2015 4:37pm

Xenophile wrote: »

I agree with most of what you say. I would not be surprised if Labour are included with FG and FF in the formation of the next Government as so far they have proved to be very reliable in this Government and no one will want to touch Sinn Feinn with a barge pole. However in this scenario the big debate will be in the Labour party as to whether or not they are prepared to enter Govt. again.

I think if Labour find themselves of being in the unlikely position of being offered a chance of going in to government again they would be mad to turn it down as they may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb now.
I think they would have been the strongest party in the country at the next GE if the party grandees had not wanted their last chance at a ministerial position and they wont have to take the stick on the door steps this time now that they have deserted.

They would be better to continue on with the programme now if they got the opportunity and get some back goodwill back from their policy's with the country continuing on an upward trend and goodies being handed out.

The people will speak first though on if they get that chance to have that option and then they got to get it through their own party blocs and I don't have much confidence on their succeeding in their first task never mind the second.

Xenophile · 12-06-2015 2:14pm

Mattie is looking to establish another quango.
In the run up to the General Election he will be telling us how many unnecessary quangos we have.

Good man Mattie you never lose a trick when it comes to getting a few headlines.

"The Dáil is set to vote down a bill to create a separate ombudsman for Irish Water.

The government is rejecting a bill from Independent TD Mattie McGrath, which is being debated this morning.

Ministers say the energy regulator can already deal with customer complaints so there is no need for a new body.

But Deputy McGrath says Irish Water is promoting waste not only within itself, but in the Department of Social Protection as well."

the dark phantom · 12-06-2015 3:54pm

Mattie is a gombeen anyway, Tipp is seriously short of political talent.

Xenophile · 12-06-2015 5:29pm

the dark phantom wrote: »

Tipp is seriously short of political talent.

I agree, despite is obvious lust for power and his other failings, Alan Kelly is talented enough to sit at the Cabinet Table!

touts · 12-06-2015 9:53pm

Latest rumours are that Cllr Richie Molloy will be confirmed as the Renua General Election Candidate in the next few weeks.

Also Cllr John Carroll who opted out of the FF convention at the last minute a couple of weeks ago has apparently signed up with Mattie McGrath and will be his running mate in the North of the county.

With Carroll on the Mattie ticket that rules out a three candidate strategy for FF and it puts Smith Jnr's base under threat. So he is pushing hard that he be named as the second candidate on the ticket at the expense of a candidate from the South. He is still threatening to run as an independent and that has the party in a spot of bother as it now looks like there will be too many FF gene pool candidates fighting over too few votes. A line up of Cahill & Ambrose as Official FF with Mattie, Carroll, Molloy and Smith running as Independent FF (in all but name) would shatter their vote.

digzy · 12-06-2015 10:46pm

touts wrote: »

Latest rumours are that Cllr Richie Molloy will be confirmed as the Renua General Election Candidate in the next few weeks.

jesus, he's more parties behind him than Callum Best!
greens, pds, independent....i'm sure he's been in one of the others too.

If that what renua are putting up as 'new politics' they're going nowhere..

digzy · 12-06-2015 10:49pm

Xenophile wrote: »

No credible politicians in FF or FG with the potential of getting a seat at the cabinet table.

Lowry will sit on the fence and vote for Kenny as Taoiseach, and maybe be rewarded for this.

Sinn Fein so far are non runners, their promises are so off the wall, we are hardly that gullible in Tipperary.

Alan Kelly is Tipperary's only hope for a seat in the cabinet position.

Healy and McGrath naysayers.

I never thought i'd agree with you on anything but.....there we go!
If hayes was gonna get a post at cabinet he'd have it by now. Kelly is our only hope of a cabinet seat. Unfortunately, you'll find people will stick to party lines and return the same glorified county councillors as previously..

touts · 13-06-2015 1:02am

digzy wrote: »

jesus, he's more parties behind him than Callum Best!
greens, pds, independent....i'm sure he's been in one of the others too.

If that what renua are putting up as 'new politics' they're going nowhere..

Fianna Fail were in there also.

PDs went wallop after he joined. FF went wallop after he joined. He polled badly as an independent and had to join "Mattie's Team" to just hold his seat without reaching the quota. Renua haven't exactly been on an upward trajectory since he joined. He's an Irish political cross between "Unsinkable Molly Brown" and "Typhoid Mary".

Xenophile · 13-06-2015 6:40am

touts wrote: »

Latest rumours are that Cllr Richie Molloy will be confirmed as the Renua General Election Candidate in the next few weeks.

With Election Posters costing 5 € each. And a good chance he will lose his deposit Renua should think twice about Richie as a candidate.

Paddico · 18-06-2015 5:18pm

I'm wondering if I should start a new thread of 'Who should I vote for'

While I know the candidates, I'm not aware of the work that any put in behind the scenes and obviously I want to vote for the man who will do best for Tipperary on every front. So to hear the pros and cons I will start with my question here which simple says .

Who do you think I should vote for?

tipptom · 18-06-2015 5:32pm

Paddico wrote: »

I'm wondering if I should start a new thread of 'Who should I vote for'

While I know the candidates, I'm not aware of the work that any put in behind the scenes and obviously I want to vote for the man who will do best for Tipperary on every front. So to hear the pros and cons I will start with my question here which simple says .

Who do you think I should vote for?

I wont be much good to you with my opinion so,I would prefer somebody who does it for the country rather than someone who just concentrates on strokes for his own personal employment at the next GE.

touts · 18-06-2015 5:49pm

Paddico wrote: »

I'm wondering if I should start a new thread of 'Who should I vote for'

While I know the candidates, I'm not aware of the work that any put in behind the scenes and obviously I want to vote for the man who will do best for Tipperary on every front. So to hear the pros and cons I will start with my question here which simple says .

Who do you think I should vote for?

And here come the 600 pages of political zombies arguing with each other as to why their party/candidate are best and the rest are the spawn of Satan.

Xenophile · 24-06-2015 8:41pm

Mattie again!

INDEPENDENT TD MATTIE McGrath is NOT happy about junior minister Áodhan Ó Ríordáin’s tweeting in recent days.

McGrath took issue with the equality minister’s tweeting about pro-life campaigners yesterday as Ó Ríordáin got into a Twitter row with independent senator Rónán Mullen.

This afternoon the Tipperary South deputy took to the Dáil to raise his concerns during the Order of Business:

There is an old adage there that if there’s too many tweets the person, the tweeter, becomes a twat. Are we going to have government by tweets? Minister Ó Ríordáin is tweeting about unsavoury issues and insulting GPs and insulting pro-life people.

His mic was cut off by the Ceann Comhairle before McGrath appealed for a response from the Taoiseach in relation to the Broadcasting Amendment Bill. He then added:

We have to regulate these twatters.

Enda Kenny briefly informed McGrath that the legislation in question is due later in the year.

“And you can tweet that,” he added.

‘Reign in’

In a statement issued this afternoon, McGrath called on Kenny to “rein in ministers” over their Twitter use, saying they are using the social media platform to “deliver offensive and dismissive messages to sections of the community”.

In addition to Ó Ríordáin, McGrath also cited Leo Varadkar’s sharp exchanges with GPs over the weekend in relation to free care for under-6s. He said:

Social media is an excellent tool for communicating about ideas and events; but when it is being increasingly used by Senior Ministers to communicate vitriolic and patronising messages then questions need to be asked.

He added: “These are senior people in our government that we are talking about, not petulant adolescents. However, that distinction is becoming increasingly difficult to make in light of the recent social media activity of both ministers.

We do not want a situation where the cautionary advice of ‘too many tweets maketh a twat’ is ignored.

maudgone · 20-07-2015 9:58pm

Michael Smith jnr. has been selected as the 2nd Fianna Fail candidate for Tipperary according to his fb page.

tipptom · 20-07-2015 10:34pm

maudgone wrote: »

Michael Smith jnr. has been selected as the 2nd Fianna Fail candidate for Tipperary according to his fb page.

I presume he will be getting the whip back so?

jem · 21-07-2015 10:03am

Have to say I was expecting this and delighted. Messers Coonan and Kelly wont be too happy now.
Also standing Cllr Ambrose for ff

laoch na mona · 21-07-2015 2:21pm

Nenagh Councillor Seamie Morris is standing for SF, sorry if anyone's already posted this

tipptom · 21-07-2015 5:11pm

jem wrote: »

Have to say I was expecting this and delighted. Messers Coonan and Kelly wont be too happy now.
Also standing Cllr Ambrose for ff

Coonan is a goner imo and this is going to make things very dodgy for Kelly,not sure if 3 candidates is the right strategy for FF though.

PearlJ · 22-07-2015 9:57am

So what are the predictions now?

I wonder will Morris have enough of a profile in the south to secure a vote, but certainly is the best candidate for the party in Tipp, well respected and liked, unlike his party colleagues in the South of the County.

Mick Smith's nod puts serious pressure on Coonan and Kelly and Kelly may have burned enough bridges in Tipp to not get through.

I think its in the South where its wide open. Very difficult to predict. Mattie has tied up the older conservative vote with his stance on same sex marraige but is it enough? Has Hayes done enough to secure re-election?
Healy is a good man and a fine politician but may get lost in the jungle of Independants and as well as that his vote is mainly confined to Clonmel.

At this stage the only one I would put money on is Lowry. Though I think Jackie Cahill could be the one to watch, he could take a lot of the farming vote that Hayes might have relied on.

maudgone · 22-07-2015 8:03pm

Lowry,
Mattie,
Seamus Healy,
Smith,
and Coonan just to scrape in ahead of Kelly and Hayes, although I wouldn't be surprised if Kelly makes it either.

tipptom · 22-07-2015 8:41pm

maudgone wrote: »

Lowry,
Mattie,
Seamus Healy,
Smith,
and Coonan just to scrape in ahead of Kelly and Hayes, although I wouldn't be surprised if Kelly makes it either.

Cant for the life of me see Coonan getting in ahead of Hayes.

digzy · 22-07-2015 9:17pm

Know it's off topic but.....
Just watching the news there and see pramerica announcing 1200 new jobs in Donegal. I don't begrudge the 'donegalians' the jobs but does anyone else get the feeling that bar the big cities the rest of Ireland -rural- is basically being ignored. We've heard the argument before that the "high end" employers like to be close to each other(Facebook, Google, etc...) well Donegal couldn't be further away IMHO.

I hope ye all remind our bozos when they come a knocking over the next 12 months.

Places like Carrick and tipp town are complete unemployment black spots.

Xenophile · 26-07-2015 2:12am

It seems that Alan Kelly's brother has a good relationship with Hilary Clinton, see photo in Irish Times

Irish Times July 24th. 2015

I was intrigued last week to read the latest chapter in the seemingly irrepressible rise of former Irish Examiner journalist Declan Kelly, whose US-based Teneo consultancy has just been hired by Fifa to advise on crisis communications at football’s world governing body.
Fifa, of course, is mired in a corruption scandal. A few days after Teneo’s appointment was announced, a comedian punked Fifa’s Sepp Blatter at a press conference, showering the outgoing president with a wad of fake notes. Kelly will earn his corn advising that bunch on how to handle a crisis, that’s for sure.
The Tipperary man, whose brother Alan is the environment minister, is well-known for his abundant confidence and self-belief, and he appears to have big plans for Teneo, which was once closely linked to the Clintons.
The company, whose current advisors include former US senator George Mitchell, is targeting this side of the Atlantic for much of its future growth. Earlier this month Kelly also sealed a deal to buy two major London public relations consultancies, almost doubling its workforce to about 500.
Blue Rubicon, which also has offices in Doha, Dubai and Singapore, will add about 225 staff to Kelly’s roster, while StockWell adds a further 25.
The acquisitions have immediately catapulted Teneo onto the top table of London PR firms. The Irishman will presumably mine his network of high- profile contacts to help keep it there.
It really is a long way from Tipperary.

tipptom · 26-07-2015 9:51am

Xenophile wrote: »

It seems that Alan Kelly's brother has a good relationship with Hilary Clinton, see photo in Irish Times

Irish Times July 24th. 2015

I was intrigued last week to read the latest chapter in the seemingly irrepressible rise of former Irish Examiner journalist Declan Kelly, whose US-based Teneo consultancy has just been hired by Fifa to advise on crisis communications at football’s world governing body.
Fifa, of course, is mired in a corruption scandal. A few days after Teneo’s appointment was announced, a comedian punked Fifa’s Sepp Blatter at a press conference, showering the outgoing president with a wad of fake notes. Kelly will earn his corn advising that bunch on how to handle a crisis, that’s for sure.
The Tipperary man, whose brother Alan is the environment minister, is well-known for his abundant confidence and self-belief, and he appears to have big plans for Teneo, which was once closely linked to the Clintons.
The company, whose current advisors include former US senator George Mitchell, is targeting this side of the Atlantic for much of its future growth. Earlier this month Kelly also sealed a deal to buy two major London public relations consultancies, almost doubling its workforce to about 500.
Blue Rubicon, which also has offices in Doha, Dubai and Singapore, will add about 225 staff to Kelly’s roster, while StockWell adds a further 25.
The acquisitions have immediately catapulted Teneo onto the top table of London PR firms. The Irishman will presumably mine his network of high- profile contacts to help keep it there.
It really is a long way from Tipperary.

Was there not some scandal with that company that Hilary Clinton was eager to distance her self from them?

jprboy · 27-07-2015 3:10pm

tipptom wrote: »

Was there not some scandal with that company that Hilary Clinton was eager to distance her self from them?

http://www.thejournal.ie/teneo-holdings-hillary-clinton-huma-abedin-2045523-Apr2015/

Xenophile · 27-07-2015 8:14pm

Sunday Business Post..................Sunday 26th.July (front page)

Kelly doled out grants to Tipp constituency against expert advice.

Funding for walking cycyling routes.

Thurles € 500k
Clonmel €1,000.000

A lot of towns higher up on the scoring order were over looked

Guess we will not hear too many complaints from opposition TD's in the constituency.

Clonmel has been overlooked for many years no Minister here with any clout since 1957.

Come on Mattie you must tell him that this is a resigning matter.

Kelly has learned the small lesson in geography that...................Clonmel has a population of more than Thurles and Nenagh combined.

digzy · 27-07-2015 8:24pm

Xenophile wrote: »

Come on Mattie you must tell him that this is a resigning matter.
.

Are you serious?

While Kelly's 'constituency colleagues' might resent the stroke pulled, It'd be political suicide to critisise spending money in the county.

Xenophile · 27-07-2015 8:41pm

digzy wrote: »

Are you serious?

While Kelly's 'constituency colleagues' might resent the stroke pulled, It'd be political suicide to critisise spending money in the county.

Of course I am not serious, but this is the silly season for politicians. Just wondering what Mattie can do for publicity.......he can hardly hold out starving for two months...........?

Xenophile · 28-07-2015 4:25am

Xenophile wrote: »

Sunday Business Post..................Sunday 26th.July (front page)

Kelly doled out grants to Tipp constituency against expert advice.

Funding for walking cycyling routes.

Thurles € 500k
Clonmel €1,000.000

A good reason why Kelly should get your Number One

PearlJ · 28-07-2015 9:27am

Xenophile I can't understand why you are so pro Kelly, to the extent of shoving it down people's throats.

You obviously don't know the man personally. Anyone who has had any dealings with him has lived to rue the day.
He has threatened schools over funding if he does not officiate over openings, he steals announcements and claims them as his own and has burnt many bridges in Clonmel over his treatment of volunteers at the bus station cafe.

He has threatened the jobs of journalists, he is a ruthless, arrogant bully.

tipptom · 28-07-2015 4:04pm

Gets popcorn.....

laoch na mona · 28-07-2015 6:44pm

Xenophile wrote: »

A good reason why Kelly should get your Number One

ya cause what Ireland needs is parish pump ministers

cannotcope · 28-07-2015 10:05pm

Xenophile wrote: »

A good reason why Kelly should get your Number One

why don't you give him your number one instead of telling others what to do? you are great at telling others to go see him about this and that. Are you afraid to and you want someone else to try to put what you would like to see happen in motion? you afraid to speak out what you feel so you put it on a website hoping someone else will?

touts · 28-07-2015 11:16pm

Kelly isn't popular in South Tipp. Even the Labour party members dislike him down south. I've said up to now that I think he will lose his seat. My gut still trends that way but I think Fianna Fail have shot themselves in the foot running three candidates. It divides their vote and exposes the bitter internal battle they had with Smith Jr throwing his toys out of the pram until he got added as a third candidate. By all accounts it has totally fragmented the party and I now think they won't be able to pull the vote together to take a seat. So Kelly was briefly back in contention to somehow hold the last seat probably without reaching the quota and basically being the last man standing. BUT just as he probably smiled over his wheetabix reading about Fianna Fail in turmoil along came the Social Democrats. I don't think they will take a seat but with the right candidate they might take enough votes from Kelly to stop him taking a seat which may be just as satisfying to Shorthall.

I think the battle for the fifth seat in Tipperary could be a very entertaining one.

touts · 28-07-2015 11:39pm

PearlJ wrote: »

So what are the predictions now?

I wonder will Morris have enough of a profile in the south to secure a vote, but certainly is the best candidate for the party in Tipp, well respected and liked, unlike his party colleagues in the South of the County.

Mick Smith's nod puts serious pressure on Coonan and Kelly and Kelly may have burned enough bridges in Tipp to not get through.

I think its in the South where its wide open. Very difficult to predict. Mattie has tied up the older conservative vote with his stance on same sex marraige but is it enough? Has Hayes done enough to secure re-election?
Healy is a good man and a fine politician but may get lost in the jungle of Independants and as well as that his vote is mainly confined to Clonmel.

At this stage the only one I would put money on is Lowry. Though I think Jackie Cahill could be the one to watch, he could take a lot of the farming vote that Hayes might have relied on.

Lowry (independent but basically taking a FG seat).
Mattie (independent but basically taking a FF seat)
Hayes FG (Coonan is behind given that Hayes is the Junior Minister and Lowry is eating into the Northern FG vote).
Healy/SF (there is a hard left seat and SF needed a big name to be sure of taking the seat and didn't find one. But they did select a candidate from the North which will stand to them as this has the larger population).
HUGE battle for the last seat. Impossible to call at the moment. Kelly, Coonan, Ambrose, Cahill, Smith Jr the loser between Healy v SF. It will be down to the last one standing when the others are eliminated. If I had to call it I'd say the farmer vote might just see Cahill hang in the longest but this might be one of the more entertaining & nailbiting counts.

touts · 28-07-2015 11:47pm

Actually thinkig about it am I right in saying Ambrose is the only Female candidate on the ballot paper so far? That might tip a few more second preferences her way from female voters.

realdanbreen · 28-07-2015 11:50pm

The whole Tipperary constituency thing is a joke at this stage. All of lower Ormond(12,000) voters have been moved out of Tipp and into the Offaly constituency. Its like the Gaza strip up there right now. There are groups being formed to picket the polling stations and burn their polling cards.

Xenophile · 29-07-2015 4:15am

realdanbreen wrote: »

The whole Tipperary constituency thing is a joke at this stage. All of lower Ormond(12,000) voters have been moved out of Tipp and into the Offaly constituency. Its like the Gaza strip up there right now. There are groups being formed to picket the polling stations and burn their polling cards.

The Electorate Commission was formed many years ago and is an Independent Body. I have never heard of it being referred to as anything other than Independent by any Government, Minister or TD.

I just wonder how many of the electorate who intend to burn their ballot papers made submissions to it, as the Commission invite all the electorate to make submissions to it, before every constituency review.

Xenophile · 29-07-2015 2:19pm

http://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/population/populationofeachprovincecountyandcity2011/

Population by census

North Tipperary
35,340 males
34,982 females
70,322 Total

South Tipperary
44,244 males
44,188 females
88,432 Total

As you can see at the time of that census Tipperary South's population was larger by about 25%.

A free coffee (on me) in the Obama Plaza for all who get the result correct by name in the order in which they are elected.

Vizzy · 29-07-2015 7:45pm

Xenophile wrote: »

A free coffee (on me) in the Obama Plaza for all who get the result correct by name in the order in which they are elected.

A free coffee in the Obama Plaza ?
The one in County Offaly ?

Xenophile, I understood that you were a Tipperary businessman but you seem to want to send your custom to Offaly.

Xenophile · 29-07-2015 8:17pm

Vizzy wrote: »

A free coffee in the Obama Plaza ?
The one in County Offaly ?

Xenophile, I understood that you were a Tipperary businessman but you seem to want to send your custom to Offaly.

Correction I am a Tipperary businessman

We all live in a Global Village and may I take this opportunity to thank all our Offaly customers who have supported us down through the years!

PatM65 · 29-07-2015 8:20pm

Vizzy wrote:

A free coffee in the Obama Plaza ? The one in County Offaly ?

Actually Obama Plaza is in the Premier County. It was Tipperary County Council that granted planning permission for the development!

Vizzy · 29-07-2015 8:32pm

PatM65 wrote: »

Actually Obama Plaza is in the Premier County. It was Tipperary County Council that granted planning permission for the development!

They need to change the address on their Website so !!

As for global village, Xenophile,if you were any good you would offer coffee in the Tpoaz at Cashel.

realdanbreen · 29-07-2015 11:14pm

Xenophile wrote: »

The Electorate Commission was formed many years ago and is an Independent Body. I have never heard of it being referred to as anything other than Independent by any Government, Minister or TD.

I just wonder how many of the electorate who intend to burn their ballot papers made submissions to it, as the Commission invite all the electorate to make submissions to it, before every constituency review.

Submissions were made but were ignored. Fact is we are not BIFFIO's, have no interest in Co Offaly and they have no interest in us.

Vizzy · 29-07-2015 11:56pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Submissions were made but were ignored. Fact is we are not BIFFIO's, have no interest in Co Offaly and they have no interest in us.

Xenophile would not agree I think .LOL:D

Xenophile · 25-08-2015 1:33am

The latest according to word on the street in North Tipperary,

Lowry to head the poll.
Kelly to come in second.

Fact.
Kelly has been appointed Director of Elections for the Labour Party. Brave from Kelly to accept this position as the Labour Party is facing meltdown.

touts · 25-08-2015 6:26am

Xenophile wrote: »

The latest according to word on the street in North Tipperary,

Lowry to head the poll.
Kelly to come in second.

Fact.
Kelly has been appointed Director of Elections for the Labour Party. Brave from Kelly to accept this position as the Labour Party is facing meltdown.

Kelly was the new golden boy when he was first made a minister and a lot of hopes were pinned on him to solve Irish Water. But there is a definite sense that the media are turning on him as Irish Water continues to stagger from crisis to crisis and he is increasingly looking out of his depth. I think he'll be in the dog fight for the last seat but he definitely won't be anywhere near second in the poll. Kelly's position could come down to who between Hayes or Coonan takes the Fine Gael seat. If it's Hayes then Coonan's second preferences will get a Northern Candidate (right now 50/50 between Kelly & Cahill from FF) over the line when he is eliminated. If Coonan holds his seat then Hayes' second preferences will go to southern candidates and Kelly will definitely lose.

Xenophile · 25-08-2015 11:46am

If Hayes or Coonan are eliminated, strong possibility if Kelly is still there that he will get transfers based on coalition vote.

Personally I would like to see a few new surprise candidates from all parties enter the field, new competent people are badly needed.

After thought, just watch Kelly pull off a few strokes for Tipperary between now and the election.

tipptom · 25-08-2015 5:04pm

Xenophile wrote: »

The latest according to word on the street in North Tipperary,

Lowry to head the poll.
Kelly to come in second.

Fact.
Kelly has been appointed Director of Elections for the Labour Party. Brave from Kelly to accept this position as the Labour Party is facing meltdown.

This word on the street based on any real polls or is it just based on your undoubted impartial admiration for the Brave Alan?

jem · 25-08-2015 5:11pm

think there is zero% chance of alan kellly coming 2nd.
Everything I have heard is that he is a gob****.
The one thing is that he has managed to unite most against him.
IF and it is a very big IF he get a seat it will be seat 4/5 probably without reaching the quota

General Elections. The Constituency of Tipperary

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