DoE testing - The Last Word

Irishgoatman · 30-03-2015 2:03pm

*Kol* wrote: »

I would go to a different DOE Center.

How will that help knaushouse to get it re-classified?.

Nekarsulm · 30-03-2015 2:10pm

Irishgoatman wrote: »

How will that help knaushouse to get it re-classified?.

Because if its already M1, it doesn't need reclassification?
The DOE centre are therefore incorrect.

Irishgoatman · 30-03-2015 3:18pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Because if its already M1, it doesn't need reclassification?
The DOE centre are therefore incorrect.

My error. I hadn't looked into what the classification should be, only how to get a true answer to the confusion.:o

knaushouse · 30-03-2015 7:10pm

Just checked my log book again and as usual got things wrong, camper is classified N1 and should be M1, still left with the same problem though, VRO office won't re-classify it.

Irishgoatman · 30-03-2015 9:21pm

knaushouse wrote: »

Just checked my log book again and as usual got things wrong, camper is classified N1 and should be M1, still left with the same problem though, VRO office won't re-classify it.

So back to what I suggested earlier. Ring RSA.

niloc1951 · 30-03-2015 9:35pm

knaushouse wrote: »

Just checked my log book again and as usual got things wrong, camper is classified N1 and should be M1, still left with the same problem though, VRO office won't re-classify it.

It's not up to the VRO, its an EU category enshrined in EU and Irish law.
The VRO will not be re-catagorising the vehicle just correcting an error they made.

A motor caravan IS an EU Category M1 vehicle and is required to be caterorised as such in all documention issued.

Currently the vehicle is recorded as a GOODS VEHICLE which it is not in reality, it is infact a passenger vehicle

knaushouse · 30-03-2015 9:48pm

Irishgoatman wrote: »

So back to what I suggested earlier. Ring RSA.

Thanks, i will try that although the DOE center already rang the RSA and they say its wrongly classified,must be changed, the VRO the only people who can re-classify it say no, not doing it, have'nt got the staff and anyway not their problem as registered before 2011, they will correct mistakes made after 2011, motor tax at shannon say they no longer have the authority to do it, go to revenue at the VRO, anyway i will have to have it sorted before
the doe is due in Sept

knaushouse · 30-03-2015 10:03pm

VRO claim campers before 2011 were classed N1, i do know on the day i had my last doe done when this problem arose there was another man there with the same problem as i had,
lady at the doe center said she had told a lot of people in recent weeks to have their campers re-classified, however that was last Sept, maybe the problem has been resolved since

Nekarsulm · 30-03-2015 10:51pm

Now I'm just thinking out loud here, but if your machine is changed to M1 on paper, as it should be, will the authority then try and levy a road fund of 1500 to 2000 euro, based on a passenger vehicle with a 3 litre engine. (For example)

niloc1951 · 31-03-2015 8:43pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Now I'm just thinking out loud here, but if your machine is changed to M1 on paper, as it should be, will the authority then try and levy a road fund of 1500 to 2000 euro, based on a passenger vehicle with a 3 litre engine. (For example)

Motor
Caravans have their own motor tax rate so that's not an issue
.

Motor Caravans have always been categorised as passenger vehicles EU Vehicle Category M,they were never categorised as Goods Vehicles EU Category N
The Revenue have been wrongly recording the EU category for ages and still are, a friend of mine had his 141 rev camper wrongly recorded.

The Revenue DO NOT determine the EU Category that is done at the time of manufacture and is recorded on the vehicles Certificate of Conformity, its 'birth certificate' to give it another description.
What has been happening is that The Revenue have been erroneously recording motor caravans wrongly as Goods Vehicles (Category N), notwithstanding this clerical error the vehicles remain legally Category M Passenger Vehicles.

Correcting the error does not amount to re-catagorising the vehicle as under Irish and EU law if it left the factory as a motor caravan it was and will be an EU Category M (passenger) vehicle for its life unless its converted to non passenger carrying use at which time it may be re-categorised appropriately.

The position of The Revenue and others with regard 'the problem' with re-categorization is a ball of smoke to hide behind the fact that the issue is the result of incompetence at the time of first registration in Ireland.

moodrater · 02-04-2015 12:35pm

You should check if they've given you a one year DOE cert too knaushaus with 2011 you're entitled to a two year cert.

Seaswimmer · 03-04-2015 10:24am

Passed my DOE yesterday with an N1 class on the certificate.

2002 Mc Louis on 2.8JTD

No issues. They just checked the plate to see if it was light or heavy vehicle (it was light) before testing.

knaushouse · 06-04-2015 9:43pm

moodrater wrote: »

You should check if they've given you a one year DOE cert too knaushaus with 2011 you're entitled to a two year cert.

2011? God i wish! Sorry if i gave the impression my camper is 2011, its actually 92, imported here in 2006 from Germany, what i was saying is i was told at the VRO that lots of campers
pre 2011 were classed N1

Pjwal · 07-04-2015 7:46pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Because if its already M1, it doesn't need reclassification?
The DOE centre are therefore incorrect.

The doe centre doesnt get to make that decision anymore for the doe centre to be wrong, it shows up on the computer system(covis) what it's classified as on the system,

Irishgoatman · 07-04-2015 10:40pm

Pjwal wrote: »

The doe centre does get to make that decision anymore for the doe centre to be wrong, it shows up on the computer system(covis) what it's classified as on the system,

????

Pjwal · 07-04-2015 11:32pm

Irishgoatman wrote: »

????

Sorry, that's not very clear. switching to a different test centre shouldn't make any difference because all the test centres are linked to the same database as each other, it's called covis. And covis is linked to ASA network which is the database from the vehicle registration database, and that's where the information comes from as to weather its a m1 or n1 vehicle. So all the test centres have the information.

homecouldbhere · 08-04-2015 10:40pm

Just had mine fail for a fog light..among other minor things.
There is (I think) one fog light in the rear (driver's side).

I say I think because I replaced the bulb here, still wouldn't work, then discovered there's no wire attached behind it!

I've all other stuff sorted for the (visual) retest next week; anyone know for sure if this is gonna be enough to fail the retest?

(My mechanic said it was more trouble than it was worth to fix and it should be too minor a thing to fail. On the original test sheet it lists this fault as "fail minor")

Any help gratefully received.

Pjwal · 08-04-2015 11:20pm

homecouldbhere wrote: »

Just had mine fail for a fog light..among other minor things.
There is (I think) one fog light in the rear (driver's side).

I say I think because I replaced the bulb here, still wouldn't work, then discovered there's no wire attached behind it!

I've all other stuff sorted for the (visual) retest next week; anyone know for sure if this is gonna be enough to fail the retest?

(My mechanic said it was more trouble than it was worth to fix and it should be too minor a thing to fail. On the original test sheet it lists this fault as "fail minor")

Any help gratefully received.

Going by the letter of the book, it should fail, but it is a minor thing, but it would be up to the individual tester to decide if he'll pass it, if you could talk to him before he checks and explain your case he would be more understanding then if you just let it go in without saying anything, otherwise he will think that you are one of the many people who only bother fixing what you feel should be fixed.

homecouldbhere · 08-04-2015 11:32pm

Thanks pjwal. Will attempt the charm so!

Irishgoatman · 09-04-2015 1:40pm

homecouldbhere wrote: »

Just had mine fail for a fog light..among other minor things.
There is (I think) one fog light in the rear (driver's side).

I say I think because I replaced the bulb here, still wouldn't work, then discovered there's no wire attached behind it!

I've all other stuff sorted for the (visual) retest next week; anyone know for sure if this is gonna be enough to fail the retest?

(My mechanic said it was more trouble than it was worth to fix and it should be too minor a thing to fail. On the original test sheet it lists this fault as "fail minor")

Any help gratefully received.

By the above I would assume that there is a separate switch for the fog light? if so, as it's not wired up, why not just remove the switch and put a blank plate in it's place. No switch = no can test

.

Pjwal · 09-04-2015 1:45pm

Irishgoatman wrote: »

By the above I would assume that there is a separate switch for the fog light? if so, as it's not wired up, why not just remove the switch and put a blank plate in it's place. No switch = no can test .

True too. Tell him it's a camper, it's only out in the summer, no fog. :-P

nailer8 · 09-04-2015 2:55pm

Not sure whether your camper is more or less than 3.5t

There is no mention of Fog lamps anywhere in the HGV manual.
In the LCV manual it just says "Where fog lamps are fitted they must be in working order"

If the lamp isn't there it shouldn't fail. Maybe remove the lamp/lens unit and just put a blank over it for the test.

If there is just a lens with no lamp behind it thats a tricky one and definitely open to interpretation.

If there is a lens & lamp (i.e. bulb holder) and it is not wired in, i would class that as a Fail because it is present but not working.

Whether or not there is a switch wont save you. As a general rule of thumb for a CVRT test. All lights fitted must work, even custom extra ones such as LED's and spot lights.

We often end up removing unnecessary lights rather than get them all working again. Some truckers could have 20/30 little marker lights on a truck to make it look "Fancy"

Pjwal · 09-04-2015 3:23pm

nailer8 wrote: »

Not sure whether your camper is more or less than 3.5t

There is no mention of Fog lamps anywhere in the HGV manual.
In the LCV manual it just says "Where fog lamps are fitted they must be in working order"

If the lamp isn't there it shouldn't fail. Maybe remove the lamp/lens unit and just put a blank over it for the test.

If there is just a lens with no lamp behind it thats a tricky one and definitely open to interpretation.

If there is a lens & lamp (i.e. bulb holder) and it is not wired in, i would class that as a Fail because it is present but not working.

Whether or not there is a switch wont save you. As a general rule of thumb for a CVRT test. All lights fitted must work, even custom extra ones such as LED's and spot lights.

We often end up removing unnecessary lights rather than get them all working again. Some truckers could have 20/30 little marker lights on a truck to make it look "Fancy"

In a lot of cases, the fog lamp is part of the rear cluster of lamps and the same outer cover is fitted to simular models whether or not they have fog lights fitted behind them, making it impossible to tell if it has fogs or not just by looking at the lamps. But I know as a tester myself, I would consider it fairly minor ànd would allow a bit of discretion on it. But that is up to individual testing as he has to stand over it afterwards.

homecouldbhere · 09-04-2015 11:13pm

Thanks everyone.
I'll go ahead with the charm offensive and see where it gets me.

Btw the fog light is built into the set of lights, only removable by breaking the unit.
On the opposite (passenger side) of lights, the reversing light is in the equivalent position.

Pjwal · 09-04-2015 11:28pm

homecouldbhere wrote: »

Thanks everyone.
I'll go ahead with the charm offensive and see where it gets me.

Btw the fog light is built into the set of lights, only removable by breaking the unit.
On the opposite (passenger side) of lights, the reversing light is in the equivalent position.

Go for it. Let us know how you get on.

homecouldbhere · 13-04-2015 9:11pm

Pjwal wrote: »

Go for it. Let us know how you get on.

So passed today!

I called the guy aside before he retested, explained the 'no-wire-to-power-the-fog-light' scenario to him to which he replied:
"Sorry bud, but there's an inspector here right now watching us."

That was the end of that I thought effing and blinding to meself.

However, 10 minutes later he reappeared with the A4 bit of paper with PASS across the top of it!
He says: "The inspector just left so here ya go, you're good til April '16. But get it sorted before that!"

Decency and common sense prevailed...today at least.

Thank you that man!

Pjwal · 14-04-2015 12:37am

homecouldbhere wrote: »

So passed today!

I called the guy aside before he retested, explained the 'no-wire-to-power-the-fog-light' scenario to him to which he replied:
"Sorry bud, but there's an inspector here right now watching us."

That was the end of that I thought effing and blinding to meself.

However, 10 minutes later he reappeared with the A4 bit of paper with PASS across the top of it!
He says: "The inspector just left so here ya go, you're good til April '16. But get it sorted before that!"

Decency and common sense prevailed...today at least.

Thank you that man!

Congrats and happy motoring, them inspectors do call at least once a month.

niloc1951 · 08-06-2015 12:35pm

The CVRT cert on my camper is due for renewal in February, it being the anniversary of when it was first tested when testing became law..

This is a bad time for me as we often are away chasing the sun at that time.
This year we plan to head off late August and may not be back before the test is due (depending on family circumstances), So I enquired about getting the test done before we go away (more than 30 days in advance of when it is due)

I can get it done but the test date will be reset to the anniversary of when it is done, so I will loose out on about 6 months of my current cert if I get it done shortly before we go away

Now, getting the test date shifted to June would suit me best as we are always around in June, either back on not gone away yet, so I got the test done a last week and lost 8 months off my current cert.

:(

However as the Date of First Registration of my camper is at the end of June and it was first registered in 2005 it is therefore not yet 10 years old, so I now have a 2 year cert which sees me through to June 2017

:):)

If I got the test done in July or later I would have only got a 1 year cert. which would have been up in 2016, if I got the test done when it was due the cert would have been up in Feb 2017.

So, as the saying goes I'm quids up

:):):)

Irishgoatman · 08-06-2015 2:08pm

niloc1951 wrote: »

The CVRT cert on my camper is due for renewal in February, it being the anniversary of when it was first tested when testing became law..

This is a bad time for me as we often are away chasing the sun at that time.
This year we plan to head off late August and may not be back before the test is due (depending on family circumstances), So I enquired about getting the test done before we go away (more than 30 days in advance of when it is due)

I can get it done but the test date will be reset to the anniversary of when it is done, so I will loose out on about 6 months of my current cert if I get it done shortly before we go away

Now, getting the test date shifted to June would suit me best as we are always around in June, either back on not gone away yet, so I got the test done a last week and lost 8 months off my current cert. :(

However as the Date of First Registration of my camper is at the end of June and it was first registered in 2005 it is therefore not yet 10 years old, so I now have a 2 year cert which sees me through to June 2017 :):)

If I got the test done in July or later I would have only got a 1 year cert. which would have been up in 2016, if I got the test done when it was due the cert would have been up in Feb 2017.

So, as the saying goes I'm quids up :):):)

Nicely done and very well calculated. Now let's see who else follows suit.

Congrats.

nailer8 · 08-06-2015 3:13pm

niloc1951 wrote: »

The CVRT cert on my camper is due for renewal in February, it being the anniversary of when it was first tested when testing became law..

This is a bad time for me as we often are away chasing the sun at that time.
This year we plan to head off late August and may not be back before the test is due (depending on family circumstances), So I enquired about getting the test done before we go away (more than 30 days in advance of when it is due)

I can get it done but the test date will be reset to the anniversary of when it is done, so I will loose out on about 6 months of my current cert if I get it done shortly before we go away

Now, getting the test date shifted to June would suit me best as we are always around in June, either back on not gone away yet, so I got the test done a last week and lost 8 months off my current cert. :(

However as the Date of First Registration of my camper is at the end of June and it was first registered in 2005 it is therefore not yet 10 years old, so I now have a 2 year cert which sees me through to June 2017 :):)

If I got the test done in July or later I would have only got a 1 year cert. which would have been up in 2016, if I got the test done when it was due the cert would have been up in Feb 2017.

So, as the saying goes I'm quids up :):):)

Well done, good thinking. Even though i work in a test centre that wouldn't have occurred to me. Camper is late 06 but not due test until Mar 17 so defo will test it a few months early before its 10y old.

kadman · 01-07-2015 10:52pm

Just got my doe done on my T25 camper.

Passed as I thought it would:).

I thought I might have problems, as I,m currently working on it.....and all the units, fridge, hob, gas fitments and sink are in my shed at home.

Didn,t seem to make a difference tho, as they were happy to test it.......and pass it:D

But its the first time I,ve noticed the emission details printed on the test paper.

kadman

*Kol* · 03-07-2015 2:35am

kadman wrote: »

Just got my doe done on my T25 camper.

Passed as I thought it would:).

I thought I might have problems, as I,m currently working on it.....and all the units, fridge, hob, gas fitments and sink are in my shed at home.

Didn,t seem to make a difference tho, as they were happy to test it.......and pass it:D

But its the first time I,ve noticed the emission details printed on the test paper.

kadman

As your T25 gets older the emissions may become more of an issue!!

Pjwal · 03-07-2015 9:32am

kadman wrote: »

Just got my doe done on my T25 camper.

Passed as I thought it would:).

I thought I might have problems, as I,m currently working on it.....and all the units, fridge, hob, gas fitments and sink are in my shed at home.

Didn,t seem to make a difference tho, as they were happy to test it.......and pass it:D

But its the first time I,ve noticed the emission details printed on the test paper.

kadman

That would be because in the recent past, the testing system changed, and before you would have received a hand written cert that only had owner details and vehicle details on it, if you received a print out it meant you failed, but it's a much more computerised system now, and as well as the emission readings you can also see all your brake readings and side slip readings.

kadman · 03-07-2015 9:46pm

*Kol* wrote: »

As your T25 gets older the emissions may become more of an issue!!

They wont......I can rebuild my own engines.:)

And clean LPG is always an option:D

kadman · 03-07-2015 9:50pm

Pjwal wrote: »

That would be because in the recent past, the testing system changed, and before you would have received a hand written cert that only had owner details and vehicle details on it, if you received a print out it meant you failed, but it's a much more computerised system now, and as well as the emission readings you can also see all your brake readings and side slip readings.

It didn,t fail by the way. The test centre failed:)

Their emission analyser would not come out of calibration mode, so they had to bring me back another day to complete that part of the test:D

And they also queried me about the two 3" diameter holes in the floor behind the driver. They didn,t realise they were manufacturers holes for the gas heater of the camper.

*Kol* · 04-07-2015 1:43am

kadman wrote: »

They wont......I can rebuild my own engines.:)

And clean LPG is always an option:D

Lol. Rebuilding an engine or an LPG conversion would be on the extreme side of solutions I hope. I was thinking more along the lines of a tune up and service!

kadman · 04-07-2015 9:21am

*Kol* wrote: »

Lol. Rebuilding an engine or an LPG conversion would be on the extreme side of solutions I hope. I was thinking more along the lines of a tune up and service!

Yep, me too:)

Nekarsulm · 04-07-2015 11:21am

The local DOE centre had 3 inspectors arrive last week, and they brought in two cattle lorries which had been stopped at a checkpoint. Strangely enough, not a single vehicle passed that day... .:(

Citroen2cv · 14-04-2016 11:01am

Is there a CVRT centre in dublin that campervan enthusiasts generally send there vans to for the test? A centre that knows and deals with campervans regularly, and wont look at you as if you had 2 heads when you turn up with a campervan?

Seaswimmer · 14-04-2016 11:57am

Personally I use Coolock Commercials. Always plenty of campervans there..

spaceHopper · 19-04-2016 10:34am

I find Murphy trucks in Ballymount very good always easy to get a booking to.

Donaldo · 18-07-2016 1:26pm

Camper failed test last week. It is taxed and insured. Due to go to France next week and wondering how does this fail impact insurance? i.e. If I do not get everything sorted and a retest passed before travelling are there issues with insurance if in an accident?

Thanks in advance.

Benbecul97 · 18-07-2016 1:38pm

A valid CVRT certifies that, when tested, the van was roadworthy.
I would imagine that a van failing the CVRT is therefore deemed not roadworthy and so the insurance is compromised.

With a week to go I would be getting everything that failed fixed and retested asap.
You should also check in with your insurance company.

At least that's a logical explanation but it could be otherwise.

Donaldo · 18-07-2016 2:51pm

Benbecul97 wrote: »

A valid CVRT certifies that, when tested, the van was roadworthy.
I would imagine that a van failing the CVRT is therefore deemed not roadworthy and so the insurance is compromised.

With a week to go I would be getting everything that failed fixed and retested asap.
You should also check in with your insurance company.

At least that's a logical explanation but it could be otherwise.

Thanks for response. The fact that you can drive away from the test with a failure surely means you are still insured though? I know if they find a catastrophic failure they can put a sticker on van that says it is not roadworthy. My issue is that with time running out, one of the failures relates to chassis corrosion - the body shop say it is not unsafe as it is just supporting the bumper but a big job to fix (engine has to come out) and unlikely I can get it done and the other jobs prior to travelling. If my insurance was unaffected, I'd happily leave the chassis work till later.

Benbecul97 · 18-07-2016 3:00pm

You are correct, some failures are more serious than others.
If I were you I'd ring your insurance company asap and find out where you stand.

Irishgoatman · 18-07-2016 3:37pm

Has your test cert actually expired or were you getting an early test?.

If the latter then as long as it would still be valid for your entire trip and, most important, you feel confident that it is safe to use, then I believe you will be within the law.

Donaldo · 18-07-2016 4:25pm

Test Cert expires at end of this month, trip booked for 30th of the month so will expire when travelling.

niloc1951 · 18-07-2016 4:42pm

You don't say what base vehicle your MH is but if it's a Ducato front cross member corrosion is not uncommon. Replacing that part is easy and does not require engine or other parts removal, it's a straight forward take off and replace.

If THIS - CLICK HERE is the bit you could have it delivered and fitted before you head off and have peace of mind

Donaldo · 18-07-2016 5:03pm

niloc1951 wrote: »

You don't say what base vehicle your MH is but if it's a Ducato front cross member corrosion is not uncommon. Replacing that part is easy and does not require engine or other parts removal, it's a straight forward take off and replace.

If THIS - CLICK HERE is the bit you could have it delivered and fitted before you head off and have peace of mind

It's not actually that part Niloc1951, it is a Ducato but it's on the chassis just below the battery. Seems to be in a straight line down from the battery - the battery bay is corroded, the chassis beneath it, and the brake hose mounting point. VRT centre said I would need the engine removed, the section cut out of the chassis, and a new section inserted. Body shop groaned when they saw it.

crabbypaddy · 18-07-2016 11:39pm

Donaldo wrote: »

It's not actually that part Niloc1951, it is a Ducato but it's on the chassis just below the battery. Seems to be in a straight line down from the battery - the battery bay is corroded, the chassis beneath it, and the brake hose mounting point. VRT centre said I would need the engine removed, the section cut out of the chassis, and a new section inserted. Body shop groaned when they saw it.

Bummer, its a balls of a job, I left two ducatos behind because of this, screwdriver went straight though everything under the battery. It seems to be a combination of windscreen scuttle / bonnet seals dumping water on the battery, overcharging of the battery releasing acid and the padding on the inner wing holding water and acid like a sponge.

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