Schools in D15

beauf · 07-02-2017 4:39pm

Trading Places suggests otherwise.

I think those outcomes are intrinsically linked. Trying to find a decent sample were people from a disadvantages background all attend a school with high progression rates, or those who are advantaged attended a school with low progression rates would be such a small sample as to be meaningless statistically.

AlanG · 07-02-2017 5:38pm

beauf wrote: »

Trading Places suggests otherwise.

I think those outcomes are intrinsically linked. Trying to find a decent sample were people from a disadvantages background all attend a school with high progression rates, or those who are advantaged attended a school with low progression rates would be such a small sample as to be meaningless statistically.

If i recall correctly the study was on quite a big sample when a large number of people in the Chicago area had their school districts changed and they therefore moved to a totally different type of school. Over there you have to go to to your district school.

Kate_ru · 20-02-2017 2:26pm

Any ideas how to get place in CCC if my address is out of catchment area?

BlazingSaddler · 20-02-2017 10:15pm

Kate_ru wrote: »

Any ideas how to get place in CCC if my address is out of catchment area?

You wouldn't happen to be Church of Ireland would you?
http://www.castleknockcc.ie/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Andy-Admission-Policy-2015.pdf

Kate_ru · 21-02-2017 11:02am

You wouldn't happen to be Church of Ireland would you?

No, we are not relater to Church of Ireland anyhow.

beauf · 21-02-2017 11:22am

Doesn't matter if you are COI. That school gets guaranteed places.

Otherwise you need an address in the main catchment. Note that the catchment extended out to Castleknock, many of the estates nearer to it, aren't in the first catchment. Any in the 2nd catchment will probably end up in a lottery.

Get the admissions info with the catchments for the school.

LaLa2004 · 21-02-2017 2:11pm

"Doesn't matter if you are COI. That school gets guaranteed places."

I think you need to be Church of Ireland snd attending Castleknock NS. according to the enrolment policy on the website.
www.castleknockcc.ie

beauf · 21-02-2017 3:06pm

It reads like that alright.

Probably changed since last I read it.

BlazingSaddler · 15-05-2017 11:59am

https://dublingazette.com/news/d15s-first-gaelcholaiste-hailed-fantastic-news/

New Irish Language school to begin life in LCC in September

BlazingSaddler · 31-05-2017 11:33pm

Edmund Rice College should take some pressure from CCC/LCC with its catchment being Carpenterstown / Castleknock. I was very impressed with the principal at a recent presentation for the school. 1 class only starting this Sept at the Horology Centre, Mill Rd and they are hoping for 116 in 2018. 3 potential sites chosen for the new build, which it is hoped will be open in 2019.

daymobrew · 01-06-2017 11:00am

BlazingSaddler wrote: »

Edmund Rice College should take some pressure from CCC/LCC with its catchment being Carpenterstown / Castleknock. I was very impressed with the principal at a recent presentation for the school. 1 class only starting this Sept at the Horology Centre, Mill Rd and they are hoping for 116 in 2018. 3 potential sites chosen for the new build, which it is hoped will be open in 2019.

They are ambitious numbers - LCC took a good bit to get going because people are reluctant to try something new.

2019 is an ambitious date for a permanent building - the Department of Education is terrible about providing permanent accommodation (I say that without taking into account the St Mochta's upgrade debacle). It's not as if secondary students were just dropped into the area - the DoE have had up to 8 years of prior notice about increasing numbers.

beauf · 01-06-2017 11:20am

I think the issue is location. If a school is on the very fringe of its catchment. In some of the D.15 schools you're not in the catchment of the nearest school. So if most the local kids aren't going to the nearest school. Most people will want to go with their neighbours and peers to the same school. That and and an unknown results history of a new school. Some schools also required you spend an extra €1000 on an iPad package. As more people go to it, and its results are known then its popularity will improve.

daymobrew · 02-06-2017 11:56am

beauf wrote: »

I think the issue is location. If a school is on the very fringe of its catchment. In some of the D.15 schools you're not in the catchment of the nearest school. So if most the local kids aren't going to the nearest school.

You are totally correct. In Carpenterstown those outside of the CCC catchment are annoyed because it is a nearby school. While I empathise, the catchment area starts at Ashtown roundabout and happens to end just west of the school. It's unfortunate but a catchment area, by definition, has to have a border.

BlazingSaddler · 02-06-2017 12:13pm

I would have a great deal of sympathy for Riverwood being excluded from the CCC catchment but I suppose LCC is closer. When did this happen as we thought of moving to Riverwood a few years ago on the premise that the kids would get into CCC!

beauf · 02-06-2017 12:16pm

The problem is the catchment moves. Which is fine if you can move, renting. If you've bought a house and the catchment changes you're kinda stuffed. Kids going out of area for school has a knock on for local traffic grid lock, community commitment, and social interactions. Effectively you might be 5th generation local, all family in local school, but can be gazumped by someone who just moves up from cork, is a Jedi and rents a road closer to the school. Once they get a place they move out of the area, and commute the kids in every day. Which is why there is grid lock mainly from traffic passing though, and locals can't get out of their driveway to drop their kids 5 miles away when their nearest school is 5 mins walk.

Most of this is because locals didn't want a school on their doorstep in the middle of Castleknock, and developers stick the schools they are obligated to leave provision for, to fringes of their land,
so its a game of musical chair, that everyone is shifted to the next nearest school. Like Domino's.

Its not one particular school, its all schools. Its why there is so much (non local) traffic at schools times all across D.15

BlazingSaddler · 03-06-2017 2:37pm

beauf wrote: »

Effectively you might be 5th generation local, all family in local school, but can be gazumped by someone who just moves up from cork, is a Jedi and rents a road closer to the school. Once they get a place they move out of the area, and commute the kids in every day.

Surely there's something that can be done to stop this. Should you not have to prove that you've lived in a property for maybe 2 years before you're given a place in the local school or is this just too simplistic? So I could just go and get a short term rent in the catchment area, get a few bills in my name, apply for the school and wait for the offer then move back out of the catchment, and this child and the siblings thereafter can go to that school? Madness

beauf · 03-06-2017 4:08pm

They are moving away from residential rules as it causes a lack of diversity in the schools and gives locals a unfair advantage.

beauf · 03-06-2017 4:17pm

If the schools then have problems with parking, planning, support for events and similar from the local community they can hardly be surprised. It will be interesting to see the long term effects of such policies in the community.

BlazingSaddler · 15-09-2017 12:10pm

daymobrew wrote: »

They are ambitious numbers - LCC took a good bit to get going because people are reluctant to try something new.

2019 is an ambitious date for a permanent building - the Department of Education is terrible about providing permanent accommodation (I say that without taking into account the St Mochta's upgrade debacle). It's not as if secondary students were just dropped into the area - the DoE have had up to 8 years of prior notice about increasing numbers.

Is there any early feedback on how Edmund Rice is working out?, I believe they were hoping for an intake of between 20 or 30 in this it's first year but numbers were rumoured to be way down on this. I'm still keen on this for next year but if there is no decision on a location before Christmas I'll be drawing a line through it.

daymobrew · 15-09-2017 8:37pm

BlazingSaddler wrote: »

Is there any early feedback on how Edmund Rice is working out?, I believe they were hoping for an intake of between 20 or 30 in this it's first year but numbers were rumoured to be way down on this.

It would be very disappointing if the numbers are that low as it got the approval to run the school based on much higher expression of interest numbers.

BlazingSaddler · 02-10-2017 11:56am

With the shared enrolment between CCC & LCC could anybody tell me if you are on the waiting list for CCC and have received an offer for LCC, if you accept the LCC offer does that forfeit your place on the CCC waiting list? I suspect it does, could anybody confirm please?

beauf · 02-10-2017 12:21pm

My understanding is yes. you have to hope if you don't get into to CCC there are still places left at the end in LCC.

daymobrew · 03-10-2017 12:04pm

CCC & LCC are reviewing their common enrolment policy at the moment. They met with local principals recently and with parent associations last night.
They will have an online survey next week (Monday 9th October until 16th October).

beauf · 03-10-2017 12:30pm

I could be wrong but I don't think is a problem with places in LCC. Only CCC because its been there longer.

LaLa2004 · 03-10-2017 5:39pm

Edmund Rice College open evening is on Wed 11 October 2017 from 7.30pm to 9pm in St Patricks NS, Diswellstown Road.

AlanG · 05-10-2017 2:07pm

Coolmine open evening this evening 7:30 to 9:30

AlanG · 06-10-2017 4:05pm

The Open evening in Coolmine was quite impressive. The new leadership in there seems to have really made it once again a good school with a clear focus. There were lots of genuinely nice students around heaping all the 5th and 6th class kids on tours. The project work and additional activities seemed very good and overall they gave a very good impression.
The school seemed reasonably well kitted out for the multitude of subjects they offer but the building itself is pretty grim and certainly shows its age.

BlazingSaddler · 06-10-2017 9:26pm

AlanG wrote: »

The Open evening in Coolmine was quite impressive. The new leadership in there seems to have really made it once again a good school with a clear focus. There were lots of genuinely nice students around heaping all the 5th and 6th class kids on tours. The project work and additional activities seemed very good and overall they gave a very good impression.
The school seemed reasonably well kitted out for the multitude of subjects they offer but the building itself is pretty grim and certainly shows its age.

Absolutely agree with this. I was there last night and I also went to Le Cheile in Tyrrelstown. The facilities at Le Cheile are superb. Apparently the Edmund Rice school when built will be a similar, if not better spec. I felt claustrophobic in Coolmine after being spoilt with the new build! As you said though the management and ethos at Coolmine impressed me also.

daymobrew · 11-10-2017 8:59am

The survey for LCC/CCC Enrolment Policy Review is now available. It is scheduled to close next Monday, 16 October.

Consultation on Review of shared enrolment policy (Castleknock Community College and Luttrellstown Community College)

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/QZNLCKD

beauf · 11-10-2017 12:06pm

Very poor survey. Lacks any detail to be useful. If its to check box "did survey" then that's about all its good for.

PhoenixParker · 11-10-2017 12:17pm

It assumes a very high level of knowledge about the current admissions process. That's fine for people with kids in 5th or 6th class but the people who'll be affected quit likely don't know the finer details.

beauf · 11-10-2017 12:35pm

The joint policy is designed to push people towards LCC and away from CCC.

I think that's a bit unfair for people already committed in schools, and to an area, as in bought a house. New people moving into the area don't have a problem as they are coming with no previous commitments to the area or schools.

I expect it will only be an issue for a few years.

AlanG · 12-10-2017 11:57am

Edmund Rice meeting last night was good although they didn't start the presentation until after 8:15 so there was a lot of waiting around. The school is currently housed in Tyrrelstown but will be in Mill road next year, unless their new school is built by then. Edmund rice trust is basically the old Christian Brothers Schools and have a strong focus on Faith. Currently there are 20 first years and 9 teachers. The will take in 72 this year if they get enough takers and a bus will be provided free to Mill road. They will give preference to kids form Castleknock and Carpenterstown.
Principal seemed like a good guy and had good plans for the school. The school site has not been chosen yet but the department have told him it will be announced very soon. It will eventually take 1000 students. The school building will be similar to the new one in Tyrrelstown.

BlazingSaddler · 05-12-2017 2:57pm

2017 Feeder School tables in today’s Independent

sandleman1979 · 16-02-2018 7:40pm

Has anyone heard anything further on the permanent location of the Edmund Rice school? At the information evening, we were told that the Phoenix park site was too small, not fit for purpose and not wanted by either the school or the department of education. They were very close to securing a different site. Is there any further news? It would be good to know where this is going.

BlazingSaddler · 19-02-2018 11:07am

Due to planning complications the site they wanted is no longer available. I think Fingal were due to present details of 2 new sites to the department in December and they were hopeful that the new site would be identified by the end of Jan but it appears this still hasn't happened. Very frustrating.

Zaph · 15-03-2018 7:45pm

The article above makes no mention of any school in particular, so until there is actual evidence of a particular school being investigated please do not mention any names here. Thanks.

septictank · 18-03-2018 4:15pm

Sorry about that, thought the school would have been named by now.

BlazingSaddler · 01-04-2018 1:36pm

Is it correct that Riverwood is back in the CCC priority catchment for 2019 applicants?

daymobrew · 02-04-2018 12:41am

BlazingSaddler wrote: »

Is it correct that Riverwood is back in the CCC priority catchment for 2019 applicants?

Yes.
https://www.riverwoodres.com/2018/02/riverwood-back-catchment-ccc/

Other changes:
- Applicants are no longer penalised for choosing the school that is not in their catchment area.
- If offered a place in both schools only one place can be accepted.

BlazingSaddler · 02-04-2018 8:11am

Thank you daymobrew, appreciated. Is there any word on how Scoil Choilm is performing?, the reason I ask is I guess most from this school would end up at LCC, although I think from this year the agreement where they had automatic access has now come to an end and usual rules now apply.

daymobrew · 03-04-2018 9:19am

I don't have any info on Scoil Choilm. I'm not sure how you'd get that info because enrolment demand would likely be kept secret.

Former Former · 13-04-2018 9:30am

Construction of a new secondary school for "Blanchardstown West & Village" has been announced.

Interestingly, no mention of the ERST secondary in Castleknock on the below lists.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/forty-four-schools-to-be-built-as-hundreds-of-upgrades-put-on-hold-1.3460181

AlanG · 13-04-2018 9:58am

Former Former wrote: »

Construction of a new secondary school for "Blanchardstown West & Village" has been announced.

Interestingly, no mention of the ERST secondary in Castleknock on the below lists.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/forty-four-schools-to-be-built-as-hundreds-of-upgrades-put-on-hold-1.3460181

I think the ERST is not on that list because it is already established and the announcement is of schools to be established. Unfortunately if the new school is established in 2020 it will probably spend years in the prefabs by the hospital before a building is completed.

jonnybravo · 13-04-2018 10:19am

AlanG wrote: »

I think the ERST is not on that list because it is already established and the announcement is of schools to be established. Unfortunately if the new school is established in 2020 it will probably spend years in the prefabs by the hospital before a building is completed.

Any idea where the general area where it will be built. Probably over the side of the hospital rather than village given that there is little space near the village.

AlanG · 13-04-2018 12:07pm

If the experience of Edmond Rice is anything to go by the school will be established and put into temporary accommodation, Most likely where Edmond rice has been. Once it has a management board and is running the first years the department will begin looking for a site. I am not sure the boundaries of the Blanchardstown West & Village school planning zone but if it includes waterville and the site is suitable they may develop the old institute of horology site to a permanent location but it could be much further west. The current secondary schools in this planning area are coolmine, hartstown, blankestown (blanch village) and setanta and hansfield (blanch west).
source is page 12 of https://www.education.ie/en/Schools-Colleges/Information/Establishing-a-New-School/New-Post-Primary-Schools/2017-2018/Establishing-a-Post-Primary-School-Assessment-Report-Carpenterstown-Castleknock.pdf

jonnybravo · 13-04-2018 4:11pm

AlanG wrote: »

If the experience of Edmond Rice is anything to go by the school will be established and put into temporary accommodation, Most likely where Edmond rice has been. Once it has a management board and is running the first years the department will begin looking for a site. I am not sure the boundaries of the Blanchardstown West & Village school planning zone but if it includes waterville and the site is suitable they may develop the old institute of horology site to a permanent location but it could be much further west. The current secondary schools in this planning area are coolmine, hartstown, blankestown (blanch village) and setanta and hansfield (blanch west).
source is page 12 of https://www.education.ie/en/Schools-Colleges/Information/Establishing-a-New-School/New-Post-Primary-Schools/2017-2018/Establishing-a-Post-Primary-School-Assessment-Report-Carpenterstown-Castleknock.pdf

Actually any word on where they are building the new Edmond Rice school. Was supposed to be the Phoenix Park but heard that was shelved and haven't heard anything since.

AlanG · 13-04-2018 4:44pm

jonnybravo wrote: »

Actually any word on where they are building the new Edmond Rice school. Was supposed to be the Phoenix Park but heard that was shelved and haven't heard anything since.

I haven't heard - The school didn't want the racecourse site (they said so at the meeting before Christmas I attended). They were very hopeful for another site they would not specify the location of.
From what I heard the preferred site didn't work out. I am not sure if the racecourse site is still an option.

firebird84 · 22-08-2019 9:40am

Can any parents with kids in scoil oilibheir share more about what they do for afterschool care? I believe they have an afterschool program but it ends at 5? Does everyone else who works later use Childminders?

maryjanemax · 22-08-2019 1:05pm

There is an on-site afterschool run from a prefab in the yard. From this September it will run until 5.30pm if that is any use to you. You can get a form from the school office or by calling into them after school.

Schools in D15

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