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"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

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  • #3052
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    robindch wrote: »
    Since this forum was set up, no viewpoint, politely stated, has been silenced.
    That is certainly the impression I would have had about the Skeptic / A & A position ... yet I perceive that am under constant threat of being banned ... even though I always politely state my viewpoint, stay on topic and respond to fellow posters.
    robindch wrote: »
    You will find that in most religious forums, ideological censorship varies from mild to total.

    I think Matthew had something useful to say about specks, planks and eyes.
    I cannot speak for any forum, nor do I want to.
    Some fora do impose strict sanctions on alternative opinions ... but I should have thought that free-thinking A & A people wouldn't see this as the standard to which they would aspire??


  • #3053
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Wicknight wrote: »
    Boards.ie is a private organisation and has no legal nor moral requirement to indulge your "freedom of thought". You are invited to become a member of this website and invited to post here and as such it is a privilege to do so, one you should respect rather than dishonor.

    No one is stopping you from forming your own private enterprise to publicly express your views with regard to any subject you like. Many disgruntled Boards.ie members have done so in the past.
    Could you please tell me which 'freedoms of thought' that I have expressed are not allowed on the Boards.ie?


  • #3054
    Pygmalion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,082 ✭✭✭Pygmalion


    J C wrote: »
    Could you please tell me which 'freedoms of thought' that I have expressed are not allowed on the Boards.ie?
    You agree NOT to use Boards.ie to:
    ...
    *post irrelevant Material, repeatedly post the same or similar Material or otherwise impose an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the Boards.ie servers or infrastructure

    But no point playing the victim yet, you're still here, despite this.


  • #3055
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    J C wrote: »
    No ... by far the greatest hazard of belief is when somebody decides to impose their belief on others or silences people of other beliefs from expressing their ideas!!

    The very fact that you are allowed to continue to post on boards.ie shows that you are not being unfairly silenced (despite your transgressions).


  • #3056
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    wrote:
    Originally Posted by J C
    Could you please tell me which 'freedoms of thought' that I have expressed are not allowed on the Boards.ie?


    Pygmalion
    Quote:
    You agree NOT to use Boards.ie to:
    ...
    *post irrelevant Material, repeatedly post the same or similar Material or otherwise impose an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the Boards.ie servers or infrastructure."

    But no point playing the victim yet, you're still here, despite this.
    So you have no example of where I abused 'free speech' ...

    ... and nearly everything I have posted has been in response to sombody else's posting ... and if they are repeating what they have said themselves, or what somebody else has posted ... how can I be responsible for that?
    ... and you guys routinely accuse me of not answering postings ... even when I have done so repeatedly elsewhere on the thread ... and now, you say I am repeating myself, when I do answer a repeated question.
    ... so according to your logic I'm damned if I do answer ... and I am damned if I don't answer !!!

    ... and the idea that I am 'melting the server' with my posts is surely delusional in view of the capacity of modern computers.
    ... and as there is voluminous postings from hundreds of other people over on the 'mega-thread' ... it is also delusional to go blaming me for the size of that thread, as well!!!


  • #3057
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Galvasean wrote: »
    The very fact that you are allowed to continue to post on boards.ie shows that you are not being unfairly silenced (despite your transgressions).
    What transgressions???

    ... and why am I being threatened with being banned on spurious unfounded grounds ... like being a troll or a spammer ... when I do not engage in such activity???


  • #3058
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    J C wrote: »
    Could you please tell me which 'freedoms of thought' that I have expressed are not allowed on the Boards.ie?

    The "freedom of thought" that is trolling.


  • #3059
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    J C wrote: »
    What transgressions???

    ... and why am I being threatened with being banned on spurious unfounded grounds ... like being a troll or a spammer ... when I do not engage in such activity???
    Aww... that's adorable.


  • #3060
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Wicknight wrote: »
    The "freedom of thought" that is trolling.
    ... so 'freedom of thought' is trolling ... on that basis all free-thinkers should be banned for trolling ... you first, Wicknight !!!:(

    I must say that I am genuinely surprised at the lack of defense of cherished materialistic assumptions on these threads ... and the general default of asking that I be silenced ... rather than presenting any evidence/opinion in support of your positions.

    Most materialists that I personally know, are open-minded people who value freedom of thought ... and don't 'cry off' when faced with valid questions about their ideas.


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  • #3061
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    J C wrote: »
    ... so 'freedom of thought' is trolling ... on that basis all free-thinkers should be banned for trolling ... you first, Wicknight !!!:(

    Once again you show how insincere your posts are JC


  • #3062
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    How'd I end up in this thread?
    Oh.. very good Mr. robin.


  • #3063
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Galvasean wrote: »
    How'd I end up in this thread?
    Oh.. very good Mr. robin.
    I think that any questions that I raise that cannot be satisfactorily answered on other threads are being moved to the OSN Thread.


  • #3064
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Wicknight wrote: »
    Once again you show how insincere your posts are JC
    What was insincere about that post ... I took your statement ... applied it to yourself ... and pointed to its logical implication!!!


  • #3065
    Pygmalion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,082 ✭✭✭Pygmalion


    J C wrote: »
    ... and the idea that I am 'melting the server' with my posts is surely delusional in view of the capacity of modern computers.

    To clarify, I left that part in because I didn't want to leave out half of that bullet point when quoting.

    I was merely suggesting you consistently post irrelevant material and repeat the same points over and over again, I'm aware the boards servers can deal with it.


  • #3066
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    So notice how much more active JC becomes when some one posts anything at all on this thread.

    Can we all just agree not to reply to him any more? Maybe put up a sign for new arrivals?
    If we ignore him he'll get bored and find somewhere else to troll.


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  • #3067
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    J C wrote: »
    What was insincere about that post ... I took your statement ... applied it to yourself ... and pointed to its logical implication!!!

    You asked what you had expressed, I said trolling, you said that all expression must be trolling. Given you aren't that stupid again you are simply trolling and being insincere.


  • #3068
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    J C wrote: »
    I think that any questions that I raise that cannot be satisfactorily answered on other threads are being moved to the OSN Thread.

    Remember in the Superman movie, the bad guy General Zod was running around and acting all crazy so Superman had to trap him inside a big sheet of glass and throw it into space? That's this thread. Think of it like a quarantine zone.

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  • #3069
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    J C wrote: »
    That is certainly the impression I would have had about the Skeptic / A & A position ... yet I perceive that am under constant threat of being banned ... even though I always politely state my viewpoint, stay on topic and respond to fellow posters.
    That may be so, but in the six years that I've been (occasionally) reading your posts, I haven't noticed so much as the slightest change in position, tone, knowledge or approach, despite the debate taking place with some very smart people. This is a dialog of the deaf. Furthermore, it ignores rule three of the forum charter which requires posters to contribute, not to soapbox interminably. However, so long as you confine your posts to this thread, you will not be banned (assuming your maintain your current posting style).

    That said, I do sincerely wish you would contribute something -- demonstrate that after six years you have at least learned the smallest iota about anything?
    J C wrote: »
    Some fora do impose strict sanctions on alternative opinions
    A position I would find laughable, if I did not find it also contemptible. And one that says far more about the essential worthlessness of the opinion itself, not to mention its propagators who seem to feel that the best way to deal with an opposing point of view is to stick their fingers in their collective ears and go "la, la, can't hear you".


  • #3070
    Morbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭Morbert


    King Mob wrote: »
    So notice how much more active JC becomes when some one posts anything at all on this thread.

    Can we all just agree not to reply to him any more? Maybe put up a sign for new arrivals?
    If we ignore him he'll get bored and find somewhere else to troll.

    I have suggested this before but people keep feeding him.


  • #3071
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Morbert wrote: »
    I have suggested this before but people keep feeding him.

    When this thread or the BCP one goes quiet JC likes to hijack other more interesting threads that usually add to our knowledge bank. The whole ruckus about the moon landing was because A&A regular Dave posted an excellent link to Phil Plait's blog in the interest stuff thread. JC, not happy with the coverage going on in the BCP and OSN threads decided to invade our gem of a thread.:( So, let this thread and the BCP one be his phantom zone.


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  • #3072
    liamw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭liamw


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  • #3073
    Morbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭Morbert


    Malty_T wrote: »
    When this thread or the BCP one goes quiet JC likes to hijack other more interesting threads that usually add to our knowledge bank. The whole ruckus about the moon landing was because A&A regular Dave posted an excellent link to Phil Plait's blog in the interest stuff thread. JC, not happy with the coverage going on in the BCP and OSN threads decided to invade our gem of a thread.:( So, let this thread and the BCP one be his phantom zone.

    But why do people feed him when he wanders into other threads? The users here are fairly regular, and it would be very easy to push JC back to the Christianity forum, or at the very least force him to learn to contribute sensibly to discussion, by simply refusing to entertain him.


  • #3074
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Or just ban him for trolling.


  • #3075
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Morbert wrote: »
    But why do people feed him when he wanders into other threads? The users here are fairly regular, and it would be very easy to push JC back to the Christianity forum, or at the very least force him to learn to contribute sensibly to discussion, by simply refusing to entertain him.

    I couldn't agree with you more, as Attenborough himself would say "It's takes a truly special kind of troll to survive for months, seasons and years. These are the trolls who despite their enormous size, frequent attempts at provocation and frustration always manage to entice the humble man or woman's mind into a state of rage so fierce that they cannot resist the temptation of feeding these masters of the internet."

    Probably not enough adjectives. :(


  • #3076
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    wrote:
    Originally Posted by J C
    That is certainly the impression I would have had about the Skeptic / A & A position ... yet I perceive that I am under constant threat of being banned ... even though I always politely state my viewpoint, stay on topic and respond to fellow posters.

    Robin
    That may be so, but in the six years that I've been (occasionally) reading your posts, I haven't noticed so much as the slightest change in position, tone, knowledge or approach, despite the debate taking place with some very smart people. This is a dialog of the deaf.
    If it is a dialog of the deaf ... then there are 'deaf' people on both sides of this debate.
    I certainly have learned many things ... and I have no doubt that you guys are indeed very intelligent and eminent people in your own fields of expertise.
    wrote:
    Robin
    Furthermore, it ignores rule three of the forum charter which requires posters to contribute, not to soapbox interminably.
    ... where have I 'soapboxed'? ... I have directly addressed your postings, I have given my views, pointed out what I consider to be flaws in your conclusions ... and backed up my assertions with evidence ... what more do you want?

    wrote:
    Robin
    However, so long as you confine your posts to this thread, you will not be banned (assuming your maintain your current posting style).
    This really intrigues me ... why do you want me to confine my posts to this thread ... why do you fear what I have to say so much that you want to keep me quarantined on this thread?

    Quarantine is compulsory isolation, to contain the spread of something considered to be dangerous ... so what is so dangerous about what I have to say?
    ... is the Materialist case so weak that you fear that one person can bring it down single-handedly?

    ... if it isn't that weak, then why do you fear my contributions to other threads on your forum?

    wrote:
    Robin
    That said, I do sincerely wish you would contribute something -- demonstrate that after six years you have at least learned the smallest iota about anything?
    I have learned a lot about about the materialist case over the past six years ... as I'm sure you also have done.
    I have also tried my best to contribute to any thread that I have posted on.
    With over 700 thousand views over on the BCP thread ... and this thread rapidly approaching 90 thousand ... many, many other people don't seem to share your view that I have contributed nothing to these threads, given the fact that I am the main proponent of the Creationist case on these threads!!!!

    wrote:
    Originally Posted by J C
    Some fora do impose strict sanctions on alternative opinions


    Robin
    A position I would find laughable, if I did not find it also contemptible. And one that says far more about the essential worthlessness of the opinion itself, not to mention its propagators who seem to feel that the best way to deal with an opposing point of view is to stick their fingers in their collective ears and go "la, la, can't hear you".
    ... your liberal attitude would be commendable were it not for the fact that you are doing something very similar yourself by confining me to this one thread on your forum!!!
    ... is your objective in doing so, not the exact same as these other fora ... the protection of their/your cherished beliefs from any real challenge ?


  • #3077
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Challenge LOL


  • #3078
    liamw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭liamw


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Challenge LOL

    I'm not sure which to believe..

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  • #3079
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    strobe wrote: »
    Remember in the Superman movie, the bad guy General Zod was running around and acting all crazy so Superman had to trap him inside a big sheet of glass and throw it into space? That's this thread. Think of it like a quarantine zone.
    PDVD_396.jpg
    ... so why do you consider my questions to be so dangerous to the materialist case ... that you want to effectively 'gag' me here on this thread?


  • #3080
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Not dangerous or challenging J C, just infantile, annoying and previously dealt with.


  • #3081
    liamw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭liamw


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Not dangerous or challenging J C, just infantile, annoying and previously dealt with.

    +1


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  • #3082
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Challenge LOL
    ... one minute you're laughing ... the next minute others are calling for me to be banned ... or to be quarantined ... because my questions are such a threat to your worldview that they could completely destroy it !!!!

    ... lads ... just face it ... Materialism doesn't 'cut it' ... when it comes to the 'origins issue'!!!

    ... I feel your pain ... I once was an Evolutionist too ... and it took me years to finally accept that God exists ... and created everything that exists!!!


  • #3083
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    J C wrote: »
    ... one minute you're laughing ... the next minute you are calling for me to be banned ...

    Who me? Point out where I called for you to be banned or apologize immediately for talking out of your ass.


  • #3084
    liamw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭liamw


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Who me? Point out where I called for you to be banned or apologize immediately for talking out of your ass.

    I think he's talking about 'materialists' in general


  • #3085
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Not dangerous or challenging J C, just infantile, annoying and previously dealt with.
    That's just wishful thinking!!!
    ... I have given mathematical proof that an Intelligence of Divine proportions exists ... and that is the ultimate nightmare for a committed Materialist.

    ... please don't run away ... and don't shoot (or quarantine) the messenger!!!


  • #3086
    The Mad Hatter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    dIQATt


  • #3087
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    liamw wrote: »
    I think he's talking about 'materialists' in general
    .. my apologies ... Galvasean just laughed ... and it was the others who cried ... troll!!!


  • #3088
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    I accept your apology.


  • #3089
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    The Mad Hatter wrote: »
    dIQATt
    ... moving gradually from something simple like from red to blue type isn't what is supposed to have happened with the abiogenesis and the evolution of life ...
    ... which is the equivalent of spontaneously producing a 30 million page encyclopedia (3 billion letters with 100 letters per page) ... with practically no typos ... and every article perfectly co-ordinated and cross-referenced with every other article!!!!


  • #3090
    Pygmalion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,082 ✭✭✭Pygmalion


    J C wrote: »
    ... which is the equivalent of spontaneously producing a 30 million page encyclopedia (3 billion letters with 100 letters per page) ... with practically no typos!!!!

    Millions of people each year die from hereditary illness.
    That's a pretty major typo tbh.


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  • #3091
    The Mad Hatter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    J C wrote: »
    ... moving gradually from something simple like from red to blue type isn't what is supposed to have happened with the abiogenesis and the evolution of life ...
    ... which is the equivalent of spontaneously producing a 30 million page encyclopedia (3 billion letters with 100 letters per page) ... with practically no typos ... and every article perfectly co-ordinated and cross-referenced with every other article!!!!

    No, it isn't.


  • #3092
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    The Mad Hatter wrote: »
    No, it isn't.
    Oh yes it is!!!


  • #3093
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Pygmalion wrote: »
    Millions of people each year die from hereditary illness.
    That's a pretty major typo tbh.
    You see this, this is a good point. But it's totally wasted on JC. You'd have a much more positive and meaningful expenditure of energy writing it on a rock and tossing it in a river.
    Or banging your face into a wall. Repeatedly.


  • #3094
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Oh no it isn't!!!!!!!!

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    edit: this post would have made more sense had King Mob not managed to post before me.


  • #3095
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Pygmalion wrote: »
    Millions of people each year die from hereditary illness.
    That's a pretty major typo tbh.
    ... a terrible problem for the people so afflicted ... but caused, in most cases, by the genetic equivalent of a few lines of misspelt text ... and in some cases, just one mis-placed word!!!!


  • #3096
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    King Mob wrote: »
    You see this, this is a good point. But it's totally wasted on JC. You'd have a much more positive and meaningful expenditure of energy writing it on a rock and tossing it in a river.
    Or banging your face into a wall. Repeatedly.
    It's not wasted on me ... it's just plain wrong ... see my last post.


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  • #3097
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Oh no it isn't!!!!!!!!

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    edit: this post would have made more sense had King Mob not managed to post before me.
    Would it really????

    ... but then again it probably is the best Evolutionist post on this thread today!!!


  • #3098
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    You see, he either ignores the point or thinks he can tackle it by painfully stupid logic (probably deliberately stupid.)

    At least with throwing a rock into a river you get a neat splash or something.


  • #3099
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    I'm glad someone gets my sense of humor.


  • #3100
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Galvasean wrote: »
    I'm glad someone gets my sense of humor.
    ... and I'm your number one fan!!!!:)


  • #3101
    J C
    Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    liamw wrote: »
    I'm not sure which to believe.
    Neither are true ... so you shuldn't believe either cartoon !!!!


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