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A5 - Derry Dual Carraigeway

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    #392
    circadian
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    The A6 at Toome is well under way so hopefully that's a sign that this is actually going to start soon.


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    #393
    D Trent
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    http://www.thejournal.ie/road-to-derry-a5-3780994-Jan2018/
    "The project is the biggest road project ever undertaken in Northern Ireland. The roadway has been delayed for a number of years due to questions around funding during the recession"


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    #394
    L1011
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    The bit that's likely to start this year is of limited to no use to ROI - its Strabane to Derry.

    With even the vaguest hint of borders I'd be pushing the Government to put the funding in to the N4/N15 instead of this as we could end up funding a road that needs two border controls to use.


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    #395
    NIMAN
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    circadian wrote: »
    The A6 at Toome is well under way so hopefully that's a sign that this is actually going to start soon.

    Thats more a road to please those who commute into/out of Belfast.

    Not really something to help the people of the North West.


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    #396
    marno21
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    Funny timing with the above posts.

    Yet another legal challenge to the A5..

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/mla-voices-his-frustration-as-a5-road-upgrade-is-hit-by-yet-another-legal-challenge-36462593.html


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    #397
    BelfastVanMan
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    circadian wrote: »
    The A6 at Toome is well under way so hopefully that's a sign that this is actually going to start soon.

    Thats more a road to please those who commute into/out of Belfast.

    Not really something to help the people of the North West.

    On the contrary, it replaces, at a stroke, the single worst stretch of the A6, meaning an end to tailbacks at the end of the M22 at Randalstown west, a much higher average speed for a good 15 kms and be even more worth it when the A6 dualling between Derry and Dungiven (including the Dungiven bypass) is finished, which gets underway shortly.


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    #398
    Middle Man
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Funny timing with the above posts.

    Yet another legal challenge to the A5..

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/mla-voices-his-frustration-as-a5-road-upgrade-is-hit-by-yet-another-legal-challenge-36462593.html
    I know we talking about another jurisdiction, but what's becoming clear in the Western World is that legal privileges in opposition to infrastructural development of major socio-economic benefit needs to be downgraded if we as a civilisation are not to be economically overpowered by the likes of China, Japan and Russia.


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    #399
    cgcsb
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    Irish state should pull funding asap until the Brexit process is complete and there is no border controls. The argument regarding the number of Irish citizens is moot, there are more Irish Citizens in London but the Irish state is not rushing to contribute towards crossrail.


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    #400
    spacetweek
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    there are more Irish Citizens in London but the Irish state is not rushing to contribute towards crossrail.
    We don't share a land border with London.


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    #401
    marno21
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    At least we are in a situation now where there is currently active road schemes on all the unupgraded parts of road from Ardee to Letterkenny.

    The only section with no active plans is Clontibret-Castleblayney which is 2+1.

    It was worse before when only Aughnacloy-Strabane/Derry was active, at least now the sections within the Republic are on the table.


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    #402
    lucernarian
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    marno21 wrote: »
    At least we are in a situation now where there is currently active road schemes on all the unupgraded parts of road from Ardee to Letterkenny.

    The only section with no active plans is Clontibret-Castleblayney which is 2+1.

    It was worse before when only Aughnacloy-Strabane/Derry was active, at least now the sections within the Republic are on the table.
    Some of these sections were upgraded within the last 10 years or so, like the Monaghan bypass. The N33 is busier in my subjective experience than the N2 northbound, but it was opened around the same time as the N2 Ardee to... Reaghstown? Anyway the N33 was a new offline build and would be a much more cost effective scheme to convert to 2+2. No local access or cycling provision really needed either.

    There are towns throughout Cavan which are economically destitute, part of it due to the logistics of getting there. If we want to develop our regions, reupgrading already good roads and bypasses is not the way to do it.

    Linking the border counties better to each other will be even more important after Brexit too. The N54, N53 and N87 each go through the border.


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    #403
    marno21
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    A5 start now likely delayed until September due to fresh challenge

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/a5-project-is-stalled-again-as-campaign-group-throws-down-new-legal-challenge-36531781.html


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    #404
    JupiterKid
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    marno21 wrote: »
    A5 start now likely delayed until September due to fresh challenge

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/a5-project-is-stalled-again-as-campaign-group-throws-down-new-legal-challenge-36531781.html


    Despicable. :mad: This action is borne out of pure mendacity and contempt for the people of Western NI. The A5 as it currently stands is totally overloaded with traffic and is a death trap.

    Those opposed to this scheme at any cost have blood on their hands.


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    #405
    marno21
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    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/challenge-for-a5-road-scheme-to-be-heard-in-june-court-hears-36547470.html

    A5 case to be heard in June

    What an absolute pisstake.


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    #406
    Middle Man
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    marno21 wrote: »
    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/challenge-for-a5-road-scheme-to-be-heard-in-june-court-hears-36547470.html

    A5 case to be heard in June

    What an absolute pisstake.
    They're going to end up having to implement a conveyer belt style planning system similar to ours - it seems to be the most effective way of getting around this kind of nonsense.


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    #407
    marno21
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    https://twitter.com/RyanMcAleerUH/status/997042594327793664

    Further delays on this.


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    #408
    spacetweek
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    Bash head.


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    #409
    marno21
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    Bash head.
    I've a feeling your head will be quite bashed by the time this debacle grinds to a halt.


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    #410
    NIMAN
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    There will likely be a UI before this road is ever completed.


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    #411
    marno21
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    https://twitter.com/Freight_NI/status/1026435523366342656

    A never ending mess.


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    #412
    Aontachtoir
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    marno21 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Freight_NI/status/1026435523366342656

    A never ending mess.

    Lads, a moment of perspective. No matter how bad you think things are with the road planning system or infrastructure investment in Ireland, thank your lucky stars you don't live in the North, where everything grinds to a complete halt whenever Sinn Féin and the DUP decide they want to beat the sh*te out of each other again.


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    #413
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    Aontachtoir wrote: »
    Lads, a moment of perspective. No matter how bad you think things are with the road planning system or infrastructure investment in Ireland, thank your lucky stars you don't live in the North, where everything grinds to a complete halt whenever Sinn F and the DUP decide they want to beat the sh*te out of each other again.

    This isn't a "blame on all sides" case so let's not muddy the waters.


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    #414
    cgcsb
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    Good. The ROI taxpayer can't go funding roads in NI then have them decide to impose customs checks for ROI businesses using it to transport goods. The Irish government may also need a refund for Larne motorway if customs checks are imposed.


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    #415
    remfan
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    It will be known as the N2 when complete :-)


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    #416
    MayoSalmon
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    remfan wrote: »
    It will be known as the N2 when complete :-)

    The sun will have burned the earth dry by the time that is complete


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    #417
    marno21
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    Three people have been killed on the A5 so far this week.

    But ah sure:

    https://twitter.com/niroads/status/1037049025437093888

    Unbelievably depressing stuff.


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    #418
    NedNew2
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    Even more delays on this project now following another setback.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-46223550


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    #419
    marno21
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    Time for the South to start ramming money at the N2 Castleblayney-Ardee, N2 Clontibret-Border, N14 Letterkenny-Lifford projects.

    Little point in funding this circus whilst the southern parts of this ROUTE are being fund throttled.


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    #420
    riddlinrussell
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    NedNew2 wrote: »
    Even more delays on this project now following another setback.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-46223550

    This is actually a little more nuanced than it appears, the main thrust of the challenge was that the road didn't get ministerial approval after the plans were fully finalized and the final reports were submitted, (though it had at numerous points beforehand). Since the case began the civil service has gained new powers of approval specifically for situations like this. Basically they gave up the court challenge because it was simply wasting their time. The Judge will quash the road building order, then the next day the civil service can approve it with their new powers and there wont be a legal case against the approval.

    The AA5A will likely try to challenge again but AFAIK their other possible challenge points are some minor environmental issues, and given the extremely robust work done on that by the department on that after the last time it failed on environmental issues, it is unlikely to succeed, and potentially wont even get to hearing stage.


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    #421
    lucernarian
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Time for the South to start ramming money at the N2 Castleblayney-Ardee, N2 Clontibret-Border, N14 Letterkenny-Lifford projects.

    Little point in funding this circus whilst the southern parts of this ROUTE are being fund throttled.
    I won't waffle on here about the N2 aspect, but I don't know where Castleblayney-Ardee merits any kind of capex right now. The entirety of it was built on its own alignment since early 90s. Congestion issues lie in Ardee itself, and the N52 leading from it is atrocious in places + much greater capacity constraints as a glorified regional road. Similar with Clontibret - Monaghan. I can't see where it fits into strategic needs of the road network, unless it's akin to the obsession over the N6 at Athlone where there's a bit of green stuck in a line of blue.

    The N33 is identically or similarly specced but why not have that "2+2"d? I don't have numbers on which of the two has the higher daily usage though.


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