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  • #102
    First Up
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    Golfgorfield wrote: »
    Link?

    I think it was a thread about everyone's favourite course to play.


  • #103
    Golfgorfield
    Registered Users Posts: 669 ✭✭✭Golfgorfield


    First Up wrote: »
    I think it was a thread about everyone's favourite course to play.


    Cool, would love to read your account of the place, heading over next year to the Masters so intrigued as to what joe public make of it.


  • #104
    Golfgorfield
    Registered Users Posts: 669 ✭✭✭Golfgorfield


    First Up wrote: »
    If you imagine that to be the case, who am I to disagree? There are players who have been trying to figure out some of those greens for twenty odd years but they presumably don't learn as fast as our Shane.

    Augusta is not that demanding off the tee, unless you are trying to play it like the pros. For the average mid handicapper the fairways are generous and there is no rough. Take your handicap shots where you have them and you will probably do alright.

    All the trouble is on or around the greens and that is the course's main defence. I attended a practice day there a few years ago and the interesting stuff was watching guys experiment with hitting different clubs to different pin positions and figuring out where they wanted their drives to land, depending on where the pins would be on different days. It was serious, painstaking work and a couple of days (with or without pickings from PH's brain) would be just scratching the surface.


    Lot of detail there for guys trying to get used to it, makes Jordan Speith leading with 9 to go last year on his debut all the more impressive i suppose!


  • #105
    First Up
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    Golfgorfield wrote: »
    Cool, would love to read your account of the place, heading over next year to the Masters so intrigued as to what joe public make of it.

    You will enjoy it. Great atmosphere and not too many spectators. None of the beer swilling and yelling ("In the hole", "Go Tiger") crap you get at most US tournaments. Prices for stuff also very reasonable.

    Main downsides are the course is brutally hilly and the city of Augusta is a kip.


  • #106
    First Up
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    Golfgorfield wrote: »
    Lot of detail there for guys trying to get used to it, makes Jordan Speith leading with 9 to go last year on his debut all the more impressive i suppose!

    Maybe he was a bit more thorough about his preparation?


  • #107
    Slicemeister
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    I'm sure Shane and his management team will have looked into how best to prepare him for arguably his biggest event yet.

    Three days to work out slopes, landing areas, pin positions, misses, whatnot, down on top of knowledge of the course could well be plenty enough to negotiate his way into the weekend. Strikes me as a fellow who doesn't like to over-complicate stuff anyway.


  • #108
    First Up
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    Slicemeister wrote: »
    I'm sure Shane and his management team will have looked into how best to prepare him for arguably his biggest event yet.

    Three days to work out slopes, landing areas, pin positions, misses, whatnot, down on top of knowledge of the course could well be plenty enough to negotiate his way into the weekend. Strikes me as a fellow who doesn't like to over-complicate stuff anyway.

    Three days sounds a lot but they have to keep moving on the practice rounds so they come back quite a few times.

    We'll see how he does but most players would bite your hand off for more preparation time. Some fly from Europe and Asia just for practice.


  • #109
    HighLine
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    Golfgorfield wrote: »
    Lot of detail there for guys trying to get used to it, makes Jordan Speith leading with 9 to go last year on his debut all the more impressive i suppose!

    As did Jonas Blixt but to be fair, statistics show that generally Masters debutants don't fare as well as the above two.

    Also... does playing in on the Playstation count as preparation? :D


  • #110
    First Up
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    HighLine wrote: »
    As did Jonas Blixt but to be fair, statistics show that generally Masters debutants don't fare as well as the above two.

    Also... does playing in on the Playstation count as preparation? :D

    Three first time winners (of which two were in the first two years of the tournament.) The most recent was Fuzzy Zoeller in 1979.


  • #111
    slave1
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  • #112
    slave1
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    Now we know why folk are never short and right on 11, wouldn't like to catch that mound, stuff we don't see from the TV cameras...12 photo bombing too!

    CAtpNQNUwAA3EfW.jpg:large


  • #113
    coylemj
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    RikkFlair wrote: »
    BBC still have live weekend coverage right? Wonder how long that will last...

    Can anyone update us on this? Searched the BBC Sports pages but can't see anything. The past few years have involved highlights on Thu/Fri and live coverage on Sat/Sun.

    Link to sources would be appreciated.


  • #114
    jjll
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    coylemj wrote: »
    Can anyone update us on this? Searched the BBC Sports pages but can't see anything. The past few years have involved highlights on Thu/Fri and live coverage on Sat/Sun.

    Link to sources would be appreciated.

    its been like that for 2 years now


  • #115
    First Up
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    coylemj wrote: »
    Can anyone update us on this? Searched the BBC Sports pages but can't see anything. The past few years have involved highlights on Thu/Fri and live coverage on Sat/Sun.

    Link to sources would be appreciated.

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/golf/26934607


  • #116
    jjll
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    Bc coverage far better not as many delays as sky one stage I saw a shot on bbc then saw it 5 minutes later on sky then of course ads every 12 mins well 10 shots meanwhile mark roe talking crap


  • #117
    First Up
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    jjll wrote: »
    Bc coverage far better not as many delays as sky one stage I saw a shot on bbc then saw it 5 minutes later on sky then of course ads every 12 mins well 10 shots meanwhile mark roe talking crap

    That can happen the other way round as well. Directors are juggling dozens of pictures and the order in which you see them will vary. If you were watching CBS in the States, or in Japan, South Africa or anywhere else, you might also see certain shots at different times, depending on the Director's preference, ad breaks or whatever.

    But I do prefer BBC because of no ads and for Peter Alliss.


  • #118
    loadwire
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    jjll wrote: »
    meanwhile mark roe talking crap

    Roe's an awful commentator IMO. Someone should tell him that saying 'really' lots of times (as in 'that is a really really really good shot') does not equal good analysis.


  • #119
    vienne86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,076 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    loadwire wrote: »
    Roe's an awful commentator IMO. Someone should tell him that saying 'really' lots of times (as in 'that is a really really really good shot') does not equal good analysis.

    I quite like him. But I would prefer the BBC to Sky all day long.....the ad breaks on Sky do my head in at times.


  • #120
    diomed
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    People say first-timers seldom win at Augusta. My thinking is that some players have dominated there and that it is the type of player that counts, not their experience.
    78 tournaments, 47 won by repeat winners, 31 won by once only winners. The repeaters are a mix of exceptional drivers, robot-like players, and exceptional putters.
    Arnold Palmer (4), Ben Crenshaw (2), Ben Hogan (2), Bernhard Langer (2), Bubba Watson (2), Byron Nelson (2), Gary Player (3), Horton Smith (2), Jack Nicklaus (6), Jimmy Demaret (3), José María Olazábal (2), Nick Faldo (3), Phil Mickelson (3), Sam Snead (3), Seve Ballesteros (2), Tiger Woods (4), Tom Watson (2).


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  • #121
    FixdePitchmark
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    Who would have pick Bubba say 3 years ago.

    Since 2000 - you also have 7 players who won - and hardly featured again .

    So - 1/2 the years since 2000 - there was no domination.

    So , 1/2 is 50 % - tossing a coin is 50 % .


  • #122
    diomed
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    In the 15 year from 2000 Tiger won 3, Phil Mickleson 3, Bubba 2, so 8 of 15. You can't expect 100% domination.

    Schwartzel won in 2011 from Jason Day and Adam Scott.
    Cabrera won in 2009 (a one-off winner), lost a play-off in 2013 to Adam Scott.
    Tiger Woods was runner-up in 2007 to Zach Johnson, and in 2008 to Trevor Immelman.
    Retief Goosen was 2nd in 2002 and 2007.


  • #123
    Rikand
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    diomed wrote: »
    People say first-timers seldom win at Augusta. My thinking is that some players have dominated there and that it is the type of player that counts, not their experience.
    78 tournaments, 47 won by repeat winners, 31 won by once only winners. The repeaters are a mix of exceptional drivers, robot-like players, and exceptional putters.
    Arnold Palmer (4), Ben Crenshaw (2), Ben Hogan (2), Bernhard Langer (2), Bubba Watson (2), Byron Nelson (2), Gary Player (3), Horton Smith (2), Jack Nicklaus (6), Jimmy Demaret (3), José María Olazábal (2), Nick Faldo (3), Phil Mickelson (3), Sam Snead (3), Seve Ballesteros (2), Tiger Woods (4), Tom Watson (2).

    I'd fancy bubba to make it 3 :)


  • #124
    First Up
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    Only three players have won it on their first visit. One (obviously) was the first time it was played and another was the second time it was played. The only other was 36 years ago.
    Every other winner had experience of the course and I can't think of another course (especially in the US) where experience and local knowledge is as valuable.

    It also suits people who can draw the ball and length is more important than precision off the tee, although knowing where to land it comes in handy on the (many) hilly parts.

    When you throw in the number of former winners who are there for fun and a few other tokens and you can reduce the number of likely potential winners by quite a bit.


  • #125
    HighLine
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    diomed wrote: »
    People say first-timers seldom win at Augusta. My thinking is that some players have dominated there and that it is the type of player that counts, not their experience.
    78 tournaments, 47 won by repeat winners, 31 won by once only winners. The repeaters are a mix of exceptional drivers, robot-like players, and exceptional putters.
    Arnold Palmer (4), Ben Crenshaw (2), Ben Hogan (2), Bernhard Langer (2), Bubba Watson (2), Byron Nelson (2), Gary Player (3), Horton Smith (2), Jack Nicklaus (6), Jimmy Demaret (3), José María Olazábal (2), Nick Faldo (3), Phil Mickelson (3), Sam Snead (3), Seve Ballesteros (2), Tiger Woods (4), Tom Watson (2).

    Yeah... and it is said for good reason. You left out the very stat that would back up your point... namely... the amount of 1st time winners as posted above by First Up.

    Personally, I'm really hoping Buba doesn't make it number 3.


  • #126
    diomed
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    HighLine wrote: »
    Yeah... and it is said for good reason. You left out the very stat that would back up your point... namely... the amount of 1st time winners as posted above by First Up.
    One of the biggest reasons there are few first-time winners escapes most people. This reason makes it a dubious stat - amateurs.
    Six amateurs are invited to the US Masters annually. These are the best amateurs in the world, mostly young players, three of them winners of major US amateur titles. This policy imo spikes the chances of a first-time win for many players as they are inexperienced amateurs.

    Of the 52 winners since 1963 24 had their first experience at Augusta as amateurs: Jack Nicklaus (6); Tiger Woods (4); Phil Mickleson (3); Jose-Maria Olazabal (2); Ben Crenshaw (2); Tom Watson (2); Mark O'Meara (1); Craig Stadler (1). * Edit: also played as amateurs
    Tommy Aaron 1973 (1), Charles Coody 1971 (1), and Trevor Immelman 2008 (1).

    Since first-time winner Fuzzy Zoeller 36 years ago in 1979 there have been 14 non-USA winners, 16 winners who played first as amateurs, and Larry Mize; Fred Couples; Zach Johnson; Bubba Watson.


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  • #127
    jjll
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    loadwire wrote: »
    Roe's an awful commentator IMO. Someone should tell him that saying 'really' lots of times (as in 'that is a really really really good shot') does not equal good analysis.


    Also comments like that with his talent thats only a 7/10 and on a sunday he always says i fancied him to do well on this course this week when the person is winning


  • #128
    Johnny_Fontane
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    gotta be able to move the ball both ways and hit it a mile.

    My other rationale, is must be in form early season (and have ideally won).

    Therefore I like Day, Spieth and as an outsider JB Holmes.


  • #129
    Johnny_Fontane
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    jjll wrote: »
    Also comments like that with his talent thats only a 7/10 and on a sunday he always says i fancied him to do well on this course this week when the person is winning

    ha ha....wait until monty hits the airwaves at the masters!


  • #130
    diomed
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    First time winners of majors just for info

    British Open
    2003 Ben Curtis
    1975 Tom Watson
    1964 Tony Lema
    1953 Ben Hogan
    (from 1934)

    US Open
    1913 Francis Ouimet

    US PGA
    2011 Keegan Bradley
    2003 Shaun Micheel
    1991 John Daly
    1986 Bob Tway
    (didn't check before 1958 as it was match-play)


  • #131
    abff
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    diomed wrote: »
    One of the biggest reasons there are few first-time winners escapes most people. This reason makes it a dubious stat - amateurs.
    Six amateurs are invited to the US Masters annually. These are the best amateurs in the world, mostly young players, three of them winners of major US amateur titles. This policy imo spikes the chances of a first-time win for many players as they are inexperienced amateurs.

    Tiger Woods won the Masters in his first appearance as a professional, having played it twice as an amateur. Does anyone know if anyone else achieved this feat?


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  • #132
    diomed
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    abff wrote: »
    Tiger Woods won the Masters in his first appearance as a professional, having played it twice as an amateur. Does anyone know if anyone else achieved this feat?
    Ben Crenshaw won leading amateur two years in a row.
    Tiger was leading amateur in his first year (finished 41st), cut in his second year.
    Jack Nicklaus was leading amateur in the Masters in 1960 (finished 13th), leading amateur in the US Open in 1960 (finished 2nd), 1961 (finished 4th), and won the US Open in 1962. Jack Nicklaus was 7th in the US masters in 1961 as an amateur but the leading amateur was Charlie Coe, who finished 2nd with Arnold Palmer, a shot behind Gary Player. So much better than Tiger.


  • #133
    vienne86
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    Johnny_Fontane wrote: »
    gotta be able to move the ball both ways and hit it a mile.

    My other rationale, is must be in form early season (and have ideally won).

    Therefore I like Day, Spieth and as an outsider JB Holmes.

    Spieth would be the guy I fancy for the Masters, but I would like to see Day get it. I just hope Lowry makes the cut.


  • #134
    slave1
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    vienne86 wrote: »
    ...I just hope Lowry makes the cut...

    I think that would be an achievement, his putting is very poor at the minute, off the tee and GIR he is very happy with but by his own admission (forget where I read it) he needs something to happen with his putting...

    I'm yet again saying (as an outsider) Poults!


  • #135
    slave1
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    FixdePitchmark wrote: »
    Who would have pick Bubba say 3 years ago.

    Since 2000 - you also have 7 players who won - and hardly featured again .

    So - 1/2 the years since 2000 - there was no domination.

    So , 1/2 is 50 % - tossing a coin is 50 % .

    Since Tiger's demise post 2008 all the Majors have been a free for all, his 'absence' has allowed a large dispersion of winners...


  • #136
    rooney30
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    slave1 wrote: »
    I think that would be an achievement, his putting is very poor at the minute, off the tee and GIR he is very happy with but by his own admission (forget where I read it) he needs something to happen with his putting...

    I'm yet again saying (as an outsider) Poults!

    Poults has very little chance in my opinion. He is a bit of a choker if you ask me. Has only won once on the PGA ( outside of matchplay events) after all these years. His collapse at the Honda will leave him scarred . He is not long enough either !


  • #137
    slave1
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    rooney30 wrote: »
    Poults has very little chance in my opinion. He is a bit of a choker if you ask me. Has only won once on the PGA ( outside of matchplay events) after all these years. His collapse at the Honda will leave him scarred . He is not long enough either !

    All the better for his odds :pac:


  • #138
    benny79
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    Zach Johnston won before and his starting to hit a bit of form :D


  • #139
    slave1
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    rooney30 wrote: »
    ...He is not long enough either !
    benny79 wrote: »
    Zach Johnston won before and his starting to hit a bit of form :D

    Zach ain't long, neither was Weir.
    Get your points though, perhaps better to consider Poults each way, that's what I do anyhow...not that I'm discussing betting here, just folks chances of winning.


  • #140
    benny79
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    poults bottled it in the Honda imagine what he'd do coming down the stretch in a major! Personally I think Rory is nailed on. but Zach is a good outsider :wink:


  • #141
    PARlance
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    I know he's still practicing with both, but has Scott made a definite statement about which putter he'll use?

    He's my *** if he ditches the short short stick which I think he'll do.


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  • #142
    FixdePitchmark
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    I wouldn't like to see Bubba win it - don't like him to start.

    But -
    I think The following would be my call

    Mcilroy
    Speith
    Day

    The course could suit Reed - but Reed looked weak towards end of Honda.

    Dustin to me is the unpredictable - he has a shocking record in majors. Not to mention no record here at all.

    So also ruling him out.

    So I'm going for 3 above - hoping Bubba does not play like last year - because he looked miles ahead of everyone there. The course looks tight on tv - but clearly isn't.

    People go on about how strong golf is ( I have too) - but when you go below the top 5/6 , there are not many you fancy at all.
    Kaymer - Garcia are great golfers - but....

    It is a strange major in a way.


  • #143
    FixdePitchmark
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    MODS ??

    Was there a thread for betting tips

    This non betting stuff is a bit daft (IMO)

    Can we talk about it in feedback - or open a Masters Betting thread ?


  • #144
    scrubber72
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    My picks.
    Winner Louis Oosthuizen
    Top 5 Bubba Watson.
    Top US Jordan Speith
    Top European Henrik Stenson.
    Top Rest of world. Jason Day


  • #145
    Rikand
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    There is a "golf tips thread" in the Gambling forum for anyone who's interested in that sort of thing ::

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056896763

    I dont know whether they'll open a US masters one, but if they do, that would be the forum to head for I suppose.


  • #146
    FixdePitchmark
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    Rikand wrote: »
    There is a "golf tips thread" in the Gambling forum for anyone who's interested in that sort of thing ::

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056896763

    I dont know whether they'll open a US masters one, but if they do, that would be the forum to head for I suppose.

    What is wrong with one here - was there talk of (at the time) - there would be some bit of gambling golf thread.

    No interest in gamblers talking about golf.

    I would like golfers talking about gambling.


  • #147
    Rikand
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    Well, there is the golf betting mega thread - hang on and I'll dig it out and bump it up


  • #148
    FixdePitchmark
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    Rikand wrote: »
    Well, there is the golf betting mega thread - hang on and I'll dig it out and bump it up

    Would it be better if we had a thread (Masters Betting Thread) ?

    Will help flow during the final crazness .

    We can also send non golf dudes straight to there if they come on going

    "PHHHHIILLLL" ya Bollix - I had you at 50/1


  • #149
    Rikand
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    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056948763

    Thats the link to it there and I have bumped it to the front page as well :)


  • #150
    Rikand
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    FixdePitchmark wrote: »
    Would it be better if we had a thread (Masters Betting Thread) ?

    Will help flow during the final crazness .

    We can also send non golf dudes straight to there if they come on going

    "PHHHHIILLLL" ya Bollix - I had you at 50/1

    Would constitute a change in the charter I suppose.... I'll let you lead the torches and pitchforks on that one FDP ;)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=320620
    Betting
    Could all betting / gambling talk be kept in the Gambling Mega Thread found here please.
    Do no make posts that are purely around betting/odds in any thread other than the gambling thread above.
    Likewise do not make non betting related posts in the betting thread.
    Its fine to make a comment on a bet you had on someone etc but this must not be the main purpose of your post.
    Blatant attempts to ignore or circumvent this rule will result in a 1 month ban.
    Under no circumstances should any poster offer a bet to any other poster. Immediate 1 month ban will result.
    Warning will be given at the moderators discretion.


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  • #151
    Keano
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    Charlie and I have discussed betting talk in this thread and will be issuing guidelines very soon.


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