At what age did you become a Right Wing Nutter ?

wexie · 07-03-2012 11:42am

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Surprised Thatcher hasn't been quoted yet.

Couple of posts back (loosely translated)

alphanine wrote: »

Socialism is great.... until you run out of other peoples money.

old hippy · 07-03-2012 12:06pm

K-9 wrote: »

He was.

Churchill probably had a good few Brandies in him when he came up with that quote so his "mature recollection" may have been poor as well.

I can't understand why people would willingly quote the man who sent the Black & Tans out to loot and kill. The man who suggested gassing the Kurds long before Saddam ever did.

But who knows what goes on in the (very) average mind of the right wit?

old hippy · 07-03-2012 12:12pm

GombeanMan wrote: »

I can understand your brother in law is pissed. I would be too. If most of the social welfare fund was spent to invest in jobs, we could lower the unemployment rate to a reasonable level, instead of making people dependant on the Government for handouts.

Also, remove most power from these overpaid, entitled Labour Unions and remove the minimum wage entirely. Only then would a real incentive to work be fostered. I still think disability payments should be payed out though. Everybody else can shave the bum fluff and get a job. The hippies must be put to work at a wage rate.

Holy fudge. You'd probably have child labour brought back as well, no doubt :rolleyes:

I'm a fully paid up union member and find your stereotype is farcical. The unions (like anywhere else) have a few bad apples but without them... I dread to think.

Daniel S · 07-03-2012 12:33pm

old hippy wrote: »

Holy fudge. You'd probably have child labour brought back as well, no doubt :rolleyes:

I'm a fully paid up union member and find your stereotype is farcical. The unions (like anywhere else) have a few bad apples but without them... I dread to think.

Well... if it's cheaper :pac:

Fulton Crown · 07-03-2012 12:55pm

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Sorry, I have to know. What is this orb and in what antediluvian temple does it reside sos I can loot it over the rubble of its guardians and sell it on for a fine handsome profit.

Orb pal ?

The Globe / Planet / World / Earth.....the big roundy thing what we all lives on...you with me now ?

Glad to have cleared that up...m'kay ?

J Fulton Crown M.Sc (Hons)Edin

conor.hogan.2 · 07-03-2012 2:38pm

44leto wrote: »

I don't know, wasn't there something about file sharing or phishing, I am more asking a question, not doubting you.

I know someone who writes like that and he is dyslexic, my nephew actually, so the internet and social network sites are closed to him, because he gets embarrassed about it.

There was the recent SI, but that didn't make it any more illegal. It was always illegal.

Your nephew should look into text to speech apps for windows/macs/linux/iOS/Android they are really good. Also spell checkers and believe me I am not being cheeky just trying to help there is a lot of technology that helps for typing if you are dyslexic.

Greentopia · 07-03-2012 2:44pm

I usually find myself on the left especially on social policy matters. I decide where I stand on any given issue based on the facts and will find out and listen to what the opposing argument is before I make up my mind on something. It just always seems that my views happen to be on the left of the political spectrum.

I think it's important to always be open to new ideas and ways of looking at things and not become complacent or set in one's political views.

I became very convinced of the merits of Social Democracy after my time spent in Sweden because of how well it worked there (and I still am to a certain extent) but now I'm more interested in how liberalism can transition into an Libertarian Left/Anarchist society while maintaining a necessary welfare state to protect the poor and marginalised in society.

I found I've become more left-wing, not less as I've grown older and I'm proud to be so.

token101 · 07-03-2012 2:45pm

Daniel S wrote: »

Libertarian-Conservative according to that quiz.

Explains why I like Ron Paul then

Ron Paul is actually really well spoken and seems genuine, unlike almost every other dickweed in the GOP, but his ideas seem a bit extreme from what I've seen of him (not an awful lot now admittedly, just some debates on YouTube).

He seems to think that privatising everything is the way forward as the free market will resolve every little thing. He also advocated people paying their own personal contribution to a private fund for social insurance, which kind of defeats the entire purpose of social insurance. His ideas on health insurance are a bit barmy aswell, he just thinks charities and church funds can handle the poor who can't afford any of this stuff.

Mind you, his stance on foreign affairs is fairly logical, but still problematic. Implementing what he says now is that America is so ingrained in so many areas of the world that just dropping it all and pulling out would leave a bigger mess IMO.

Paddycrumlinman · 07-03-2012 3:13pm

Basically what your saying OP is that the older your getting the more selfish your getting. It sounds like you've thrown out your morals and sold yourself out.

I'm the opposite, the older I get the wiser I become to the world and its wicked ways. I'm a father of two and I think it its very important to stick to your values and beliefs so that your children and grandchildren can live peaceful happy lives to the best of their abilities. It's important for the next generation of children to be full aware of the world and its fooked up ways so they can prepare and be educated.

You sold your balls OP and your teaching your children to accept the world and its ways and basically allowing yourself to accept **** when you don't have to.

Sell out!.

wexie · 07-03-2012 3:16pm

Paddycrumlinman wrote: »

...the older I get the wiser I become to the world and its wicked ways....

Which is, I think, exactly the point OP is trying to make.

conor.hogan.2 · 07-03-2012 3:19pm

Becoming more cynical about how wicked the world can be will help how exactly? (also how do you just come to that realization when you are in your 30's?)

Paddycrumlinman · 07-03-2012 4:08pm

wexie wrote: »

Which is, I think, exactly the point OP is trying to make.

Correct, however, the OP is deciding to bury his head in the sand with the issues of the world as long as the issue are not on his doorstep and petrol does not go over 2 euros.. Come on... settling for the ways of the world and like most people, its not my problem once it does not affect them.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 07-03-2012 4:22pm

Paddycrumlinman wrote: »

Correct, however, the OP is deciding to bury his head in the sand with the issues of the world as long as the issue are not on his doorstep and petrol does not go over 2 euros.. Come on... settling for the ways of the world and like most people, its not my problem once it does not affect them.

At this point, you may well see the right-wingers shifting. And the first thing they'll do is protest, and blame goverement interferance and interviention at the same time.

wexie · 07-03-2012 4:36pm

I think you'll probably find that a lot of us what you call 'right wingers' are already blaiming government interference for a lot of things. Regardless of the current price of petrol.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 07-03-2012 5:08pm

wexie wrote: »

I think you'll probably find that a lot of us what you call 'right wingers' are already blaiming government interference for a lot of things. Regardless of the current price of petrol.

And in some cases, you may well be right, but i'd argue it was government mismanagement rather than interfereance that would be more accruate in a lot of cases.

wexie · 07-03-2012 5:19pm

.........

can't argue with that one

steddyeddy · 07-03-2012 5:40pm

Im neither extreme left or right both sides are born of ignorance in my opinion. Humans dont slot into such neat stereotypes in real life.

AngryBollix · 07-03-2012 6:16pm

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”

Winston Churchill

AngryBollix · 07-03-2012 6:17pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Im neither extreme left or right both sides are born of ignorance in my opinion. Humans dont slot into such neat stereotypes in real life.

Isnt that a neat stereotype?

OneArt · 07-03-2012 6:19pm

AngryBollix wrote: »

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”

Winston Churchill

Was that quote not meant to be about socialism and capitalism and didn't Karl Marx apparently say it?

hooradiation · 07-03-2012 6:20pm

AngryBollix wrote: »

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”

Winston Churchill

Good thing nobody posted that shitty quote before.

GombeanMan · 07-03-2012 6:24pm

Libertarians are smarter than both:)

AngryBollix · 07-03-2012 6:27pm

hooradiation wrote: »

Good thing nobody posted that shitty quote before.

Nobody usually responds to it

AngryBollix · 07-03-2012 6:28pm

OneArt wrote: »

Was that quote not meant to be about socialism and capitalism and didn't Karl Marx apparently say it?

I'm not 100% sure.

hooradiation · 07-03-2012 6:39pm

GombeanMan wrote: »

Libertarians are smarter than both:)

Subscribers to unworkable political theories do have the most delightful sense of unwarranted superiority.

Greentopia · 07-03-2012 6:51pm

GombeanMan wrote: »

Libertarians are smarter than both:)

Depends on whether you mean right or left leaning Libertarianism IMO. I detest present day right wing U.S. Anarcho-Capitalists. It would create a nightmare world where nobody would want to live anyway so I can never see it having enough widespread appeal to ever be introduced. Especially not here in Europe.

Not that I ever see my political philosophy as an Eco(NOT primitivist) Collectivist Libertarian Socialist and Bio-Regionalist ever coming to pass here either though...:pac:

GombeanMan · 07-03-2012 6:53pm

hooradiation wrote: »

Subscribers to unworkable political theories do have the most delightful sense of unwarranted superiority.

Switzerland is the most innovative country in Europe by far. Works for them.

GombeanMan · 07-03-2012 6:54pm

Greentopia wrote: »

Depends on whether you mean right or left leaning Libertarianism IMO. I detest present day right wing U.S. Anarcho-Capitalists. It would create a nightmare world where nobody would want to live anyway so I can never see it having enough widespread appeal to ever be introduced. Especially not here in Europe.

Not that I ever see my political philosophy as an Eco(NOT primitivist) Collectivist Libertarian Socialist and Bio-Regionalist ever coming to pass here either though...:pac:

Anarcho-Capatalism is mostly bull****. It's been refuted. Right and Left Libertarianism can both work on a small scale. Though I would argue left libertarianism is closer to Communism/Anarchism than a small Government society.

Greentopia · 07-03-2012 7:00pm

hooradiation wrote: »

Subscribers to unworkable political theories do have the most delightful sense of unwarranted superiority.

Not me. People can take or leave my own particular unworkable political theories.

Well in my own head I find it superior to many other ideologies of course but I try not to be an ass and transmit that onto other people and shove my views down their throats. Information in books and websites are out there for people to do their own research and make their own minds up if they want to :cool:

Greentopia · 07-03-2012 7:05pm

GombeanMan wrote: »

Anarcho-Capatalism is mostly bull****. It's been refuted. Right and Left Libertarianism can both work on a small scale. Though I would argue left libertarianism is closer to Communism/Anarchism than a small Government society.

Bull**** indeed.

Left libertarianism (i.e. Libertarian Socialism) is Anarchism though historically. It's only a relatively recent thing to call Libertarianism right wing, because of the likes of Rand and the Libertarian Party in the U.S. who've appropriated that word and turned it into the opposite of it's original meaning.

hooradiation · 07-03-2012 7:12pm

GombeanMan wrote: »

Switzerland is the most innovative country in Europe by far. Works for them.

I suppose claiming that Switzerland is now a libertarian country is slightly more appealing than the old "somalia as libertarian shangri-la" chestnut.

GombeanMan · 07-03-2012 7:21pm

hooradiation wrote: »

I suppose claiming that Switzerland is now a libertarian country is slightly more appealing than the old "somalia as libertarian shangri-la" chestnut.

You don't even understand the basic premise of general Libertarianism. You are clueless on this matter. Somalia is the poster child for Anarchism, not classic Liberalism or Libertarianism. Switzerland is doing extremely well, of course it's more appealing than a stateless every man for himself society like Somalia.

hooradiation · 07-03-2012 7:26pm

GombeanMan wrote: »

You don't even understand the basic premise of general Libertarianism. You are clueless on this matter. Somalia is the poster child for Anarchism, not classic Liberalism or Libertarianism. Switzerland is doing extremely well, of course it's more appealing than a stateless every man for himself society like Somalia.

Well, if all else fails, claim the other person simply doesn't get it.

It's no wonder that after all these decades of that kind of effort that libertarians have achieved the level political clout that they have.

GombeanMan · 07-03-2012 7:31pm

hooradiation wrote: »

Well, if all else fails, claim the other person simply doesn't get it.

It's no wonder that after all these decades of that kind of effort that libertarians have achieved the level political clout that they have.

Explain to me how Somalia fits inside the parameters of a Classic Liberal/Libertarian society please. To claim Somalia is Libertarian is laughable. You need to do more research I am afraid. You are as correct as claiming the USA to be a Socialist Haven.

Greentopia · 07-03-2012 7:44pm

hooradiation wrote: »

Well, if all else fails, claim the other person simply doesn't get it.

It's no wonder that after all these decades of that kind of effort that libertarians have achieved the level political clout that they have.

Most left or Social Libertarians don't want political clout though. That goes against the anti-Government, anti-Statist philosophy of most Libertarians.

It's the right wing 'Libertarians' who want political clout

Can I recommend a good book to you that's an authoritative study on the different strands and history of Libertarian Socialism, if you're interested? It's called 'Demanding the Impossible' (A History of Anarchism) by Peter Marshall. It covers everything from Anarcho-Syndicalists, Anarcha-feminism, Communists, Individualists, Taoists, Situationists and so on, and all the classical anarchist thinkers and writers as well as the likes of Chomsky, Gandhi, Tolstoy, Neitzche...

Best, most comprehensive book on the subject I've ever read.

Interesting for anyone with even a passing interest in political theory actually.

agcainte · 12-03-2012 8:15pm

wexie wrote: »

My mother always says it's disgraceful that we need a license to drive (and many other things) but everybody can just have kids.

And then to think there are heaps of people that go through years of intrusive interviews and counselling, then spend a fortune for the priviledge of raising a child (usually from another country) because they so desperately want one. And these people are normally a lot more suited to be parents than a lot of the ones you're talking about.....

Makes me sad for the children.

Very true. I often think of people who can't have children and would make great parents and then you see for example someone like - remember Karen Matthews (Shannon Matthews case in England). It just seems so strange that this woman is able to have so many children without any fertility problems or anything and she doesn't care for them properly at all and there are people desperate to have a family and would be wonderful and can't. There are so many children in the world that are unloved. Very sad side of life.

af_thefragile · 12-03-2012 8:35pm

I used to be very leftist socialist a few years ago. Inspired by Che Guevara and all.
Then I went through a phrase where I was an Anarchist moving towards Anarcho-capitalism.

Not I'm more towards the right but not total right wing.

I believe income tax should be low, people should be allowed to keep what they earn. I believe privatization is a good thing because it brings in competition and competition encourages innovation. I believe in free markets without any government involvement. I also believe people need to take personal responsibility and be willing to take risks and not look towards the government to catch them if they fall. They need to be more prepared and have back up plans.

But at the same time I believe there should be a welfare system to support and give grants to the deprived. Private hospitals should have government subsidies to look after patients who don't have health insurance. Important essential services such as transport, police, prisons etc. should be under state control because privatization of those services will not be a good thing. And I don't believe everything should be legal. I believe there should be limits to what businesses can and cannot be done and what good can and cannot be sold.

Also I believe corporations (and people) need to have an environmental responsibility which again needs to be enforced by the government and if the corporations do not act responsibly then they should be fined.

I'm quite anti-war as well. Wars usually cause more problems than they solve.

So overall I lean to the right but I'm not totally right wing and I don't think I'm going to change my stance in the future.

MaxSteele · 21-03-2012 2:54am

Let me see ...... I am ...

Pro - Gay rights/Abortion/Prostitution/Religion/Secularism/Anti-racist/Legalisation of drugs/Stricter, Tougher prisons/Less prisoner rights/European Culture and Identity over "multiculturalism"/ Guns for law abiding home owners/ Middle and working classes/Three Strikes rule for criminals/Scrutiny of dole recipients, Single parents, Welfare and free education/healthcare for the genuine poverty stricken with ambition and determination to succeed in life.
Your home is your castle laws ... ie, (automatic right to kill intruders.)
Pro - white ethnicity majority of population.

Anti - Junkies/Single(career) mothers with numerous fathers/Islam/Wars in the middle east for oil/Roma Gypsies/Travellers/

Yes I know some of my views come across as very contradictory and Hypocritical. Maybe you can cure me

kieranfitz · 21-03-2012 3:16am

MaxSteele wrote: »

Let me see ...... I am ...

Pro - Gay rights/Abortion/Prostitution/Religion/Secularism/Anti-racist/Legalisation of drugs/Stricter, Tougher prisons/Less prisoner rights/European Culture and Identity over "multiculturalism"/ Guns for law abiding home owners/ Middle and working classes/Three Strikes rule for criminals/Scrutiny of dole recipients, Single parents, Welfare and free education/healthcare for the genuine poverty stricken with ambition and determination to succeed in life.
Your home is your castle laws ... ie, (automatic right to kill intruders.)
Pro - white ethnicity majority of population.

Anti - Junkies/Single(career) mothers with numerous fathers/Islam/Wars in the middle east for oil/Roma Gypsies/Travellers/

Yes I know some of my views come across as very contradictory and Hypocritical. Maybe you can cure me

Your idea's are interesting to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

MaxSteele · 21-03-2012 1:01pm

Newsletter ?? I sense sarcasm

Logical Fallacy · 21-03-2012 1:55pm

GombeanMan wrote: »

Libertarians are smarter than both:)

In fairness, anyone on boards who has been declaring themselves as Libertarian definitely seems to be at the back of the pack.

Granted, that's purely anecdotal but the sample size is reasonable.

Nodin · 21-03-2012 2:13pm

MaxSteele wrote: »

Newsletter ?? I sense sarcasm

Hardly.

Whats "pro-white"?

Daniel S · 21-03-2012 2:15pm

Nodin wrote: »

Hardly.

Whats "pro-white"?

It depends on how you look at it. It could be just not taking the shíte other races come up with like "You're only doing XXX because I'm XXX" or else it could be completely like KKK.

MaxSteele · 21-03-2012 2:22pm

Nodin wrote: »

Hardly.

Whats "pro-white"?

Well I haven't a clue about this newsletter thing he's on about.

I simply believe the indigenous population should always be a majority (ie, Anglo-saxons/celts in britain and Ireland or indigenous black africans in Africa etc.)
That goes for all countries. Just a personal belief, that's all.

Nodin · 21-03-2012 2:26pm

MaxSteele wrote: »

Well I haven't a clue about this newsletter thing he's on about.

I simply believe the indigenous population should always be a majority (ie, Anglo-saxons/celts in britain and Ireland or indigenous black africans in Africa etc.)
That goes for all countries. Just a personal belief, that's all.

So essentially you're saying you can't be black and Irish.

Daniel S · 21-03-2012 2:28pm

Nodin wrote: »

So essentially you're saying you can't be black and Irish.

No he's not. Read it again.

Nodin · 21-03-2012 2:29pm

Daniel S wrote: »

No he's not. Read it again.

I'm sure he'll be able to clarify what he means himself.

MaxSteele · 21-03-2012 2:30pm

Nodin wrote: »

So essentially you're saying you can't be black and Irish.

Never said anything remotely like that, not true. Would just rather live in a society of majority native Irish.

Nodin · 21-03-2012 2:36pm

MaxSteele wrote: »

Never said anything remotely like that, not true. Would just rather live in a society of majority native Irish.

You're saying that the "indigenous" population should always remain a majority. That automatically, of necessity, creates a division between people based on their origins. Thus, regardless of how long somebody can trace their roots back in this country, if they're provably of - for instance - Asian descent they'd have to be classed as a different kind of citizen. Follow?

MaxSteele · 21-03-2012 2:45pm

Nodin wrote: »

You're saying that the "indigenous" population should always remain a majority. That automatically, of necessity, creates a division between people based on their origins. Thus, regardless of how long somebody can trace their roots back in this country, if they're provably of - for instance - Asian descent they'd have to be classed as a different kind of citizen. Follow?

I'm not asking for a facist policy of a DNA screening for every citizen of the country, I'm just stating a personal opinion. Let's not get into the whole "the hunter gatherers who crossed the frozen Irish sea 10,000 years ago can be traced to the sands of the arabian peninsula" debate.

Don't worry, you're not gonna see me patrolling Dublin in black slacks, a brown shirt with a fist symbol stitched on it, carrying an AR-15 rifle. I just stated my personal opinions and hoped someone could clarify what side of politics I fit into.

At what age did you become a Right Wing Nutter ?

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