The Online Dating Thread 3..READ 1ST POST Oct 2012

JennyBurke101 · 30-07-2012 11:10pm

Galvasean wrote: »

Would that not strike as generic and unoriginal though?

I can't speak for all women now ...but in my opinion no ....its kinda like, your messaging them, but you are not being needy or anything, just pick something she really seems to like, like if a girl lists off loads of books say something like "Hey, you have pretty great taste in books, I read 50 Shades of Grey (or something more masculine :P) last year, its pretty great and you don't see it on too many peoples lists". Then leave it, don't ask a question!!

or leave it at the one liner...for some reason I am always drawn to messages like that over ones like "Hi I am Rory, you seem pretty cool and interesting, how long have you been on this site? Any luck so far? Did you have a nice weekend/ doing anything nice for the weekend?Well anyway just thought I would say hi, message me if you wanna chat some more

...."

HellFireClub · 30-07-2012 11:20pm

Piliger wrote: »

While I get what you're saying I don't buy into this whole negative thing about OD.

Well if you are a woman, you wouldn't have a reason to be negative about OD because if you are even half in shape and in any way not unattractive and don't have a caustic profile up, you will have an inbox that will be filling up with mails from guys on the site.

It's a completely different experience for guys using the site, unless you look like George Clooney or Brad Pitt, you are wasting your time with it, because you can send out as many mails as you want, you are in essence, being ranked pretty much exclusively in terms of your looks, against everyone else sitting beside you in that inbox.

missrandomer · 30-07-2012 11:21pm

im just wondering, when on the od sites, would you normally search for people within your area.

im from the country lets say, but i couldn't imagine that there would be many in a od from down here.

(sorry im still trying to figure it all out)

Samich · 30-07-2012 11:22pm

Mailed a newbie with nothing on her profile last week, got nothing back. Her profile reads "Have a pic when we get talkin...."

So I mailed her just because she's my age and county for a second time "Do you not find me that interesting?

" (as why else would someone not reply) and I get back "no, where's your pic".

Sigh sigh sigh! :P

Galvasean · 30-07-2012 11:25pm

Piliger wrote: »

While I get what you're saying I don't buy into this whole negative thing about OD.

Sorry for snipping out the majority of your post (trying to save space).
I wasn't for a minute defending the 'traditional' Irish method of dating, ie: getting drunk and kopping off. I was merely pointing out that quite a lot of people seem to (unrealistically) expect immediate fireworks when meeting up with someone from OD. The same people may be similar in non OD situations too, which could go some of the way to explaining why they are single I suppose.

JennyBurke101 wrote: »

I can't speak for all women now ...but in my opinion no ....its kinda like, your messaging them, but you are not being needy or anything, just pick something she really seems to like, like if a girl lists off loads of books say something like "Hey, you have pretty great taste in books, I read 50 Shades of Grey (or something more masculine ) last year, its pretty great and you don't see it on too many peoples lists". Then leave it, don't ask a question!!

Ah, I getcha now. Based on your last post I thought you meant messages far more generic than what you have there now.
Why the exclamation on not asking questions though? Surely that would be an incentive for a reply?

JennyBurke101 wrote: »

or leave it at the one liner...for some reason I am always drawn to messages like that over ones like "Hi I am Rory, you seem pretty cool and interesting, how long have you been on this site? Any luck so far? Did you have a nice weekend/ doing anything nice for the weekend?Well anyway just thought I would say hi, message me if you wanna chat some more ...."

Hmm. That's pretty much the exact opposite advice in relation to messaging that pretty much every other girl on this thread has given out. Heck, that hypothetical example you gave could not appear more copy n' paste IMO.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Zhora · 30-07-2012 11:29pm

HellFireClub wrote: »

Well if you are a woman, you wouldn't have a reason to be negative about OD because if you are even half in shape and in any way not unattractive and don't have a caustic profile up, you will have an inbox that will be filling up with mails from guys on the site.

It's a completely different experience for guys using the site, unless you look like George Clooney or Brad Pitt, you are wasting your time with it, because you can send out as many mails as you want, you are in essence, being ranked pretty much exclusively in terms of your looks, against everyone else sitting beside you in that inbox.

Don't agree. I'm a woman, attractive and don't have a caustic profile but my inbox isn't filled up with mails from guys. So what's the deal there? Lol

I don't judge guys on looks and I have to say Brad Pitt and George Clooney looks don't appeal to me. The guys I've emailed back have either engaged with the conversation or not bothered to email again. I'm not expecting to meet 'the one', not that I think there is just one ideal person anyway. I just wish to meet some nice people and see what happens without expecting a romance to blossom. So generalisations about women and men online are not true. Perhaps we all need to do is treat it as a bit of fun, lighten up and enjoy it as just another way of meeting people nowadays.

JennyBurke101 · 30-07-2012 11:35pm

Ah, I getcha now. Based on your last post I thought you meant messages far more generic than what you have there now.
Why the exclamation on not asking questions though? Surely that would be an incentive for a reply?

Exactly but you don't need an incentive for a reply because you have so many girls messaging you *wink, wink*

I jest but seriously act like you don't need an incentive, don't go looking for a reply...like don't be an utter bastard but don't be a push over either!!!

Larianne · 30-07-2012 11:46pm

Piliger wrote: »

Larianne ... life is TOO SHORT to be a wall flower. Rejection is not a nice feeling but it fades fast, regret lasts a lot longer !

Ah, sure I know that. I'm certainly no a wall flower.

Don't really want to keep posting here seeing as he can stalk me on this thread. But date two tonight, and all things going well (ie I don't break a leg tomorrow), meeting up on Wednesday.

Samich · 30-07-2012 11:49pm

Larianne wrote: »

Ah, sure I know that. I'm certainly no a wall flower.

Don't really want to keep posting here seeing as he can stalk me on this thread. But date two tonight, and all things going well (ie I don't break a leg tomorrow), meeting up on Wednesday.

Oh he's a boardsie?

HellFireClub · 30-07-2012 11:49pm

Zhora wrote: »

Don't agree. I'm a woman, attractive and don't have a caustic profile but my inbox isn't filled up with mails from guys. So what's the deal there? Lol

I don't judge guys on looks and I have to say Brad Pitt and George Clooney looks don't appeal to me. The guys I've emailed back have either engaged with the conversation or not bothered to email again. I'm not expecting to meet 'the one', not that I think there is just one ideal person anyway. I just wish to meet some nice people and see what happens without expecting a romance to blossom. So generalisations about women and men online are not true. Perhaps we all need to do is treat it as a bit of fun, lighten up and enjoy it as just another way of meeting people nowadays.

Well I don't agree that having an overall opinion on something in terms of your experience of it, is the same thing a generalisation. If you claim to be into into people of substance rather than beauty, then my experience of POF, is that you are very much in the minority. I personally don't think I'm unattractive, but it seems I might not fit into that top 2% category that seems to be all that matters on POF.

Galvasean · 30-07-2012 11:51pm

Samich wrote: »

Oh he's a boardsie?

It's me!!!!

It's not me.

Larianne · 30-07-2012 11:52pm

Zhora wrote: »

Perhaps we all need to do is treat it as a bit of fun, lighten up and enjoy it as just another way of meeting people nowadays.

That's the only way you should treat online dating.

Galvasean · 30-07-2012 11:53pm

Larianne wrote: »

That's the only way you should treat online dating.

Oh lord yes, you'd be mad not to. MAD!

Samich · 30-07-2012 11:55pm

OD has been 0 fun. :P

Larianne · 30-07-2012 11:57pm

Samich wrote: »

OD has been 0 fun. :P

You're doing it wrong!

Samich · 30-07-2012 11:59pm

Larianne wrote: »

You're doing it wrong!

It takes 2 to have fun though... :P

Galvasean · 31-07-2012 12:00am

Samich wrote: »

It takes 2 to have fun though... :P

*insert lewd joke here*

HellFireClub · 31-07-2012 12:20am

It was fun last summer & the summer before, had some great dates, I can't put my finger on why, but this summer it has irked the absolute sh*t out of me!

Zhora · 31-07-2012 12:26am

HellFireClub wrote: »

It was fun last summer & the summer before, had some great dates, I can't put my finger on why, but this summer it has irked the absolute sh*t out of me!

Blame it on the weather, everything else is. Lol
tbh hasn't been a good summer so far. Here's hoping august will be better, weatherwise and datingwise for everyone! &#55357;&#56842;

Larianne · 31-07-2012 12:32am

HellFireClub wrote: »

It was fun last summer & the summer before, had some great dates, I can't put my finger on why, but this summer it has irked the absolute sh*t out of me!

I would say because there is a lot more members on the site now (compared with last year when I tried it first). There's less and less interesting profiles to read and more of the same shít. It's like they've all copied and paste from the same profile.

HellFireClub · 31-07-2012 12:33am

Zhora wrote: »

Blame it on the weather, everything else is. Lol
tbh hasn't been a good summer so far. Here's hoping august will be better, weatherwise and datingwise for everyone! ðŸ˜Š

I think it's a recession thingy, everyone being more cautious, ground down with cynicism, etc.

lilmissprincess · 31-07-2012 12:40am

Date one went well

Hoping to see him again during the week.

Armaghmagic · 31-07-2012 12:47am

Hardonraging wrote: »

JennyBurke101 wrote: »

Where the hell is my Christian Bale type guy on these sites???? All I seem to get is guys like 10-30 years older than me messaging me This online thing is going so awful for me lately its unreal

Pm me your profile and i'll give you a few tip's see if we can get you on the road to recovery ok ..

Willing to do the same, have done it for others. Hope things get better for you!

Colours · 31-07-2012 12:48am

I prefer to deviate from the usual script when messaging back and forth with a man on OD. Quite often I will message a man first if their profile has enticed me in some way in which case I'll usually ask him about something which was mentioned in his profile. I ignore all messages consisting solely of some variation of "Hi how you doin?" or "What you up to?" or the infamous one - liner "Hi" or if they're obvious cut and paste jobs which could have been fired off to hundreds of other women.

I don't understand the point of the POF feature whereby a man clicks a button to let you that they'd like to meet you. I've responded to a few of these "come on"s and have never heard anything back them. I don't understand what was going through the guy's mind when he clicked that button for me and then skidaddled into the ether when I dropped him a line. If he genuinely would like to potentially meet me then why wouldn't he go the whole hog and actually send me a message to support the fact that he's signifying some degree of interest in me or rather my profile.

The last date I had with a guy I guess fits the criteria of a success. We messaged back and forth a bit for a few days and then met up for a coffee. I was physically attracted to him and we snogged afterwards. But I'm at sea when it comes to protocol and "the rules". Like, I like this guy and I am assuming he likes me since we kissed and there was plenty of smiling and touching etc. Yet he's quite aloof and there tends to be a 2 day pause between my messages to him and his response back. It's made me unsure about what he's about as it's reminding me of relationships I had with other men in the past who I concluded were just not that into me as it felt like I was always hanging around for them to text or call and these were always few and far between.

I suppose the remedy here is to utilise one of the aforementioned features of OD and start messaging other guys and stop hankering after this one. I wouldn't naturally be inclined to have a few potential dates on the go at the same time but perhaps it will come to me with practice!

HellFireClub · 31-07-2012 1:03am

Larianne wrote: »

I would say because there is a lot more members on the site now (compared with last year when I tried it first). There's less and less interesting profiles to read and more of the same shít. It's like they've all copied and paste from the same profile.

I don't see many new female users on the site, mainly the same faces that have been on the site for the last 2 years, with the same ridiculously boring & annoying headlines, "Are there no decent men left?", or else the most hopelessly repeated profile headline ever, "Can you make me laugh???"...

Larianne · 31-07-2012 1:05am

HellFireClub wrote: »

I don't see many new female users on the site, mainly the same faces that have been on the site for the last 2 years, with the same ridiculously boring & annoying headlines, "Are there no decent men left?", or else the most hopelessly repeated profile headline ever, "Can you make me laugh???"...

Well then, that's your answer. There's no one new on the site to attract your interest.

HellFireClub · 31-07-2012 1:13am

Larianne wrote: »

Well then, that's your answer. There's no one new on the site to attract your interest.

I'm not saying that there are no new users that interest me, I'm just saying that I don't think the site has become any worse for that particular reason...

Piliger · 31-07-2012 1:27am

HellFireClub wrote: »

Well if you are a woman, you wouldn't have a reason to be negative about OD because if you are even half in shape and in any way not unattractive and don't have a caustic profile up, you will have an inbox that will be filling up with mails from guys on the site.

It's a completely different experience for guys using the site, unless you look like George Clooney or Brad Pitt, you are wasting your time with it, because you can send out as many mails as you want, you are in essence, being ranked pretty much exclusively in terms of your looks, against everyone else sitting beside you in that inbox.

I am a man. I don't see any evidence of being ranked any differently than when I meet women in person, and that is the issue.

Piliger · 31-07-2012 1:29am

HellFireClub wrote: »

Here's an example of how this OD has gone to the point where it's just ridiculously stupid...

Am looking at a girls profile here on match.com, it says:

29 years old, looking for a man from 25-30.

So any guy 31, 32, 33, a normal enough age I'd say for a guy to be seen with a 29 year old, can't even mail this girl?!?!?

I know, I know, I know, "she doesn't want to date any men older than her", fine, but that's just ridiculous I think, to be narrowing your options to such an extent where people your own age can't even contact you.

And on what grounds are you claiming that this girl or her ilk, are not applying exactly the same criteria in real life situation ?

Piliger · 31-07-2012 1:35am

Galvasean wrote: »

Sorry (Piliger) for snipping out the majority of your post (trying to save space).
I wasn't for a minute defending the 'traditional' Irish method of dating, ie: getting drunk and kopping off. I was merely pointing out that quite a lot of people seem to (unrealistically) expect immediate fireworks when meeting up with someone from OD. The same people may be similar in non OD situations too, which could go some of the way to explaining why they are single I suppose.

I know you were not 'defending' it. Though I made no mention of the drunk and kopping off aspect, whatever that means :rolleyes:

Too many people here are attacking OD in a way that directly infers that it is worse than real life dating.
I say that people basically behave the same way on line as they do offline, but people don't notice so much, and that at least online offers several advantages.

Your last comment is amusing but I suggest completely inaccurate. Everyone is single at some stage, and most are repeatedly so at different stages of their lives.

purplepapillon · 31-07-2012 1:40am

I didn't have any experience of OD till I set up a profile a week or so ago. I'm taking steps rather tentatively, just after finishing a relationship a month ago. I don't know if this is too soon or whatever, but I'm feeling ok about it.

I guess the thing I would say to the guys who think they're being "ranked" etc - think about girls doing the "ranking". Do you really want to be judged on one profile picture and cast aside? If the girl who's looking does cast you aside, so to speak, take it that she's not worth it, doesn't deserve you and you don't want her if your life

A guy rated me so I checked out his profile. He's no Brad Pitt, but luckily I don't like Brad Pitt. He had a sweet profile, and we shared some common interests. He had another pic on his profile, which was so different from his profile one (and I think about my FB and some absolute shockers of nights out etc

). A picture doesn't capture everything. One thing I wonder is, why do I get an email saying he rated me either 4 or 5 stars, and he didn't message me??! Guessing he's shy, I messaged him instead.

You just can't judge on appearance, and if some girl does and doesn't reply or whatever, gotta forget about her guys.

I joined OKCupid. Is this better/worse than POF in your opinion? I have replied to messages that were genuine (i.e. not those one liners "how are you baby?") thus far.

HellFireClub · 31-07-2012 2:09am

Piliger wrote: »

And on what grounds are you claiming that this girl or her ilk, are not applying exactly the same criteria in real life situation ?

On the grounds of basic common sense.

When did you last hear of two people giving each other the eye across a pub during the night, one approaches the other, only to be told, "hang on now a second, I'm interested in you if you are 30, but if you're 31, I'm simply not interested, sorry, because I'll only date or talk to men who are my age or younger, and that means strictly 30 years of age or less!"...???

Or when did you last hear a girl replying to being chatted up, by saying: "Well this clearly can't go anywhere because I'm 5'7" without heels & I'm 5'10" in my heels and sure you being only 5'9", this conversation isn't even getting started here"?!?!?

kiddums · 31-07-2012 4:38am

Samich wrote: »

Mailed a newbie with nothing on her profile last week, got nothing back. Her profile reads "Have a pic when we get talkin...."

So I mailed her just because she's my age and county for a second time "Do you not find me that interesting? " (as why else would someone not reply) and I get back "no, where's your pic".

Sigh sigh sigh! :P

Just out of curiousity, how long did you leave it before you sent the second message?

andreac · 31-07-2012 9:37am

Samich wrote: »

Mailed a newbie with nothing on her profile last week, got nothing back. Her profile reads "Have a pic when we get talkin...."

So I mailed her just because she's my age and county for a second time "Do you not find me that interesting? " (as why else would someone not reply) and I get back "no, where's your pic".

Sigh sigh sigh! :P

Did you mail her without sending a pic? If so, i dont blame her. I never talk to people without seeing a pic straight away, i just dont talk to blank profiles, whats the point? I have my profile set that you cant contact me without a pic.

I wouldnt even read a profile without a pic up, thats just me.;)

Armaghmagic · 31-07-2012 9:43am

andreac wrote: »

Samich wrote: »

Mailed a newbie with nothing on her profile last week, got nothing back. Her profile reads "Have a pic when we get talkin...."

So I mailed her just because she's my age and county for a second time "Do you not find me that interesting? " (as why else would someone not reply) and I get back "no, where's your pic".

Sigh sigh sigh! :P

Did you mail her without sending a pic? If so, i dont blame her. I never talk to people without seeing a pic straight away, i just dont talk to blank profiles, whats the point? I have my profile set that you cant contact me without a pic.

I wouldnt even read a profile without a pic up, thats just me.;)

You must just not have liked my pic so ;-)

andreac · 31-07-2012 10:34am

Armaghmagic wrote: »

You must just not have liked my pic so ;-)

Oh, did you send me a pic?

Armaghmagic · 31-07-2012 10:43am

andreac wrote: »

Armaghmagic wrote: »

You must just not have liked my pic so ;-)

Oh, did you send me a pic?

Yeah but......ah well!hehe

CastorTroy · 31-07-2012 10:48am

Got a message from woman containing poor/no punctuation, really bad grammar and text speak. Checked her profile. She's 32 and the grammar was better in the profile but considering she said she's not a student but likes to live the student lifestyle, I decided too many cons.

I'm no grammar nazi, as can probably be told by my posts, but this was really bad.

Armaghmagic · 31-07-2012 10:56am

CastorTroy wrote: »

Got a message from woman containing poor/no punctuation, really bad grammar and text speak. Checked her profile. She's 32 and the grammar was better in the profile but considering she said she's not a student but likes to live the student lifestyle, I decided too many cons.

I'm no grammar nazi, as can probably be told by my posts, but this was really bad.

Have found myself not bothering to message women like this. Only recently starting doing this, used to be if they were smokers but now its the grammar and text speak that get my goat.

andreac · 31-07-2012 10:57am

Armaghmagic wrote: »

Yeah but......ah well!hehe

Awh no, sorry

Honey-ec · 31-07-2012 10:58am

HellFireClub wrote: »

Or when did you last hear a girl replying to being chatted up, by saying: "Well this clearly can't go anywhere because I'm 5'7" without heels & I'm 5'10" in my heels and sure you being only 5'9", this conversation isn't even getting started here"?!?!?

A woman with those "criteria" mightn't be quite so blunt about it, but she still probably wouldn't chat to the guy for very long.

cantdecide · 31-07-2012 11:04am

CastorTroy wrote: »

Got a message from woman containing poor/no punctuation, really bad grammar and text speak. Checked her profile. She's 32 and the grammar was better in the profile but considering she said she's not a student but likes to live the student lifestyle, I decided too many cons.

I'm no grammar nazi, as can probably be told by my posts, but this was really bad.

I've been messaged by women in txt spk on a couple of occasions. Usually, they're new to the site, younger than me and we blatantly have nothing in common. The first time this happened, I thought it was a blatant example of some yungwan getting familiar with the whole experience by practising on someone that was probably not an axe murderer they would NEVER interact with in reality. By the third time, I was certain. Ah well:rolleyes:

HellFireClub · 31-07-2012 11:37am

Honey-ec wrote: »

A woman with those "criteria" mightn't be quite so blunt about it, but she still probably wouldn't chat to the guy for very long.

I genuinely don't think that people who are trying to meet someone in real life actually go around with these silly notions in their head, for example someone can't be a year older than them, or someone can't be the same height as them, or someone must have a chiseled jaw, or someone must be bald, or someone must have a full head of hair, or whatever. They may have preferences, but they are not going around with hard and fast ridiculous rules set in stone.

For example, I've a thing for a girl with brown eyes, yet despite being in a 5 year and a 10 year relationship, I was never in a long term (or even a short term) relationship with a girl with brown eyes. I would never had been in these relationships, (which I absolutely loved being in, either relationship I add could have ended in a marriage, but which didn't work out for their own respective reasons that I'm not getting into here obviously), but I never would have experienced the years of happiness that I did have in these relationships, if I was going around with notions in my head that I would only date a girl with brown eyes that ticked that particular box.

It's this aspect of OD that I just do not get, I don't accept that it's normal or healthy for humans to take a run at romance from this position of having non-negotiable items fixed down onto a list, and that those items on the list must be ticked for a conversation about a date to even be possible, let alone a date in itself.

I genuinely believe that you simply do not get to choose who you fall in love with, and I think a lot of what I've seen in relation to OD is really flying completely in the face of romance, as I understand it.

seachto7 · 31-07-2012 11:54am

The biggest turn off is "text speak". I 100% detest it....

Hardonraging · 31-07-2012 11:55am

HellFireClub wrote: »

I genuinely believe that you simply do not get to choose who you fall in love with, and I think a lot of what I've seen in relation to OD is really flying completely in the face of romance, as I understand it.

I'd agree to a certain point, i believe either there's chemistry there, or there isn't.. and no amount of check list's will help this, and sometimes it's worth the risk to go out side your comfort zone, you never know what's waiting for you out there..

Honey-ec · 31-07-2012 12:36pm

HellFireClub wrote: »

I genuinely don't think that people who are trying to meet someone in real life actually go around with these silly notions in their head, for example someone can't be a year older than them, or someone can't be the same height as them, or someone must have a chiseled jaw, or someone must be bald, or someone must have a full head of hair, or whatever. They may have preferences, but they are not going around with hard and fast ridiculous rules set in stone.

We'll agree to disagree, so. If a guy the size of Ruby Walsh started chatting me up in a bar, I'd be polite, but I certainly wouldn't be getting into a conversation with him with a view to it going somewhere.

andreac · 31-07-2012 12:58pm

Honey-ec wrote: »

We'll agree to disagree, so. If a guy the size of Ruby Walsh started chatting me up in a bar, I'd be polite, but I certainly wouldn't be getting into a conversation with him with a view to it going somewhere.

Im the same, im not into guys with long, or longish hair, its a big turn off for me, so i wouldnt get chatting to someone either as i know its not going to go anywhere.

HellFireClub · 31-07-2012 1:18pm

Honey-ec wrote: »

We'll agree to disagree, so. If a guy the size of Ruby Walsh started chatting me up in a bar, I'd be polite, but I certainly wouldn't be getting into a conversation with him with a view to it going somewhere.

That's a bit of an extreme example I think. It seems to me that on POF, any girl over 5'7" seems to think that a guy who is taller than her yet under 6 foot in height would look ridiculous standing beside her in heels. I personally like dating women who are close-ish to me in height (I'm 5'9"), but to my mind that could be anywhere from 5'4" - 6'1", and as for what height she is in heels, I really don't think I'd be bothered by that, if I got on with her, fancied her and we had a laugh together...

CastorTroy · 31-07-2012 1:22pm

cantdecide wrote: »

I've been messaged by women in txt spk on a couple of occasions. Usually, they're new to the site, younger than me and we blatantly have nothing in common. The first time this happened, I thought it was a blatant example of some yungwan getting familiar with the whole experience by practising on someone that was probably not an axe murderer they would NEVER interact with in reality. By the third time, I was certain. Ah well:rolleyes:

Ah, axes are so unwieldy. :rolleyes:

But the woman also had her Profession as "None" so either unemployed or didn't fill it out. Not a problem usually, but combined with the rest will have to go with the decision of not replying.

Hopefully when I send my first messages they get replies.

3 have messaged me so far but none worth following through on.

purplepapillon · 31-07-2012 1:37pm

HellFireClub wrote: »

and as for what height she is in heels, I really don't think I'd be bothered by that, if I got on with her, fancied her and we had a laugh together...

I'd have to agree here. Some girls are hell-bent on the fact that a guy must be over 6 foot, but if you click with the person, it doesn't really matter. A friend of mine recently started seeing a guy who is about 5'7". She's just started wearing flats or shorter heels out with him, because it's comfortable and she doesn't want to be taller than him. She's actually thankful for the comfort now

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