Alive! Newspaper.

Orion · 08-06-2015 2:26pm

SpaceTime wrote: »

The use of that stock image of the extremely LGBT-friendly family on the No campaign poster wasn't exactly a very clever move either!

Not the same thing. They were entitled to use that and the couple in it couldn't stop them. This time is copyright based. The artist has every right to object to its use.

robindch · 08-06-2015 3:01pm

Orion wrote: »

They were entitled to use that and the couple in it couldn't stop them.

Wasn't quite as simple as that - they'd done a favour for a photographer friend, the friend had uploaded the images to multiple sites - some didn't permit political usage, some did - the images were paid for, presumably the photographer made some cash, the model family on the other hand, didn't and got their images associated with Quinn and friends.

The photographer should have been more careful and so should the family. And whoever did the graphic design for the "No" side should have checked out the models too, even if only to avoid problems like what happened. And regardless of those problems, the "No" side could have used some "real" faces - it seems peculiar that amongst the 37% who voted "no", not a single person seemed very enthusiastic about having their family associated with Quinn and friends.

Orion · 08-06-2015 3:16pm

It is even simpler than you make out. Their friend was starting out in the business and they agreed to sit for portraits and signed over the rights for them to be used as stock photos in exchange. So they essentially did get paid - in a free professional portrait session. Stock photography is big business and they are used extensively for brochures, pamphlets, leaflets etc. Nobody using a stock photo is going to check the provenance of it - there is no need to - they are stock photos. And the subject of the photos has already signed over the rights for them to be used - at that point they lose the right to prevent it being used for any particular purpose if they didn't include it in the contract at the beginning.

On the other hand Alive didn't use a stock photo archive company - they stole their one.

Source: Irish Times

"The family said that in 2014 they did a shoot with a family friend who is a photographer to get some shots for their family album.
“No money was exchanged - we got nice photos for free, they got nice images for their portfolio. As part of this agreement, we agreed to let them upload them to a stock photo album,” they explained.
“We knew that these were available for purchase and we gave permission. Perhaps, naïvely, we imagined that on the off chance that any was ever selected, it might be for a small magazine or website.
“To confirm, we have not received any money for the photo - then or now, and nor do we expect any.”

SpaceTime · 08-06-2015 6:20pm

Do people actually get this in their letterboxes ? I've never seen it as I live in a heathen area

donspeekinglesh · 09-06-2015 11:34am

Every few months. And there's also pile of them in the local shopping centre. alongside the local freesheets.

Delirium · 09-06-2015 11:40am

SpaceTime wrote: »

Do people actually get this in their letterboxes ? I've never seen it as I live in a heathen area

Yep. Not that frequently. But the delivery-person is a freaking ninja as I never catch them when I spot it dropped through the letterbox.

:P:P

Doctor DooM · 09-06-2015 1:01pm

Would be amazing if someone made a Terry Pratchett style parody of Alive called "Dead". It could feature articles promoting the hardline views of zombies and other undead looking for equal rights with the living.

Remember, "Inside Every Living Person Is A Dead Person Waiting To Get Out!"

sbsquarepants · 09-06-2015 1:06pm

Nodin wrote: »

I have never eaten pizza.

Me neither - nor will I ever eat it. It's the work of satan if you ask me.

Don't get me wrong, I do like his early stuff and all that:) - but pizza is a step too far. Vile, disgusting & unfit for human consumption, in my humble but unswayable opinion.:mad:

As for Alive! - I love it. Always gives me a giggle, I especially like the Dumbag Writes section. It reminds me of the part in every james bond film where the villain outlines his evil plan - why do villians continue to do this? I keep my evil plans to myself - I find they work better that way!

robindch · 09-06-2015 1:21pm

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Would be amazing if someone made a Terry Pratchett style parody of Alive called "Dead".

Or a parody called "A Lie"

looksee · 09-06-2015 5:48pm

How can you parody something that is already out-on-a-limb ridiculous? You wouldn't know the difference.

SpaceTime · 09-06-2015 5:52pm

SW wrote: »

Yep. Not that frequently. But the delivery-person is a freaking ninja as I never catch them when I spot it dropped through the letterbox. :P:P

I think they just know not to call to my house! I've noticed the parish priest gives us a skip too.

Mostly I get wandering artists trying to sell paintings and Airtricity!

Squeeonline · 09-06-2015 5:56pm

looksee wrote: »

How can you parody something that is already out-on-a-limb ridiculous? You wouldn't know the difference.

This is known as Poe's Law.

I would love if someone started an Alive! parody. I'd even do my best to help write/format articles.

blackbird 49 · 09-06-2015 6:01pm

I have been getting this Alive mag in my letterbox for about a year now, always seems to be late in the evening, never seem to hear it been dropped in only seem to notice when it is too late, I have been trying to catch who is delivering it as I want them to stop, it always goes in the recycling bin straight away

pauldla · 10-06-2015 1:07am

blackbird 49 wrote: »

I have been getting this Alive mag in my letterbox for about a year now, always seems to be late in the evening, never seem to hear it been dropped in only seem to notice when it is too late, I have been trying to catch who is delivering it as I want them to stop, it always goes in the recycling bin straight away

It could actually be quite useful if you keep birds. Newspaper is also great for cleaning windows.

Mr. CooL ICE · 10-06-2015 12:24pm

I'm always excited when it comes through the letterbox, but my excitement always turns into depression as I read the thing. I can't believe a minority of people are actually influenced and/or believe this crap.

10-06-2015 12:31pm

looksee wrote: »

How can you parody something that is already out-on-a-limb ridiculous? You wouldn't know the difference.

It could work .... I've read several Waterford Whispers articles where I've had to remind myself that it's satire ... supposedly.

SpaceTime · 10-06-2015 12:42pm

I wonder would:

"Unaddressed mail placed into this letterbox is subject to a €12.95 administration and recycling charge"'

Be legally enforceable?

PopePalpatine · 10-06-2015 12:49pm

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

I'm always excited when it comes through the letterbox, but my excitement always turns into depression as I read the thing. I can't believe a minority of people are actually influenced and/or believe this crap.

Same here, as well as an equal measure of frustration because you just can't reason with them. I honestly think the people who suck up Nearly Dead!'s bullshit are a communion wafer's width away from the Saudi government when it comes to matters of church and state.

SpaceTime · 10-06-2015 12:56pm

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Same here, as well as an equal measure of frustration because you just can't reason with them. I honestly think the people who suck up Nearly Dead!'s bullshit are a communion wafer's width away from the Saudi government when it comes to matters of church and state.

What worries me is that they think that their beliefs should override democracy and for a long period of Irish history they were successful in that objective. They still are in education and areas of health provision.

I'm not really sure how theocratic ideology of rule by God and post enlightenment democracies quite fit together to be honest. You can't have it both ways.

In a republic the people are sovereign and that's it really. Your personal beliefs are your personal beliefs. A lot of the old school religious fundamentalists of all flavours simply do not agree with that.

looksee · 10-06-2015 2:21pm

Squeeonline wrote: »

This is known as Poe's Law.

I would love if someone started an Alive! parody. I'd even do my best to help write/format articles.

Thanks for that! (honestly

!) I had not heard of it before!

SpaceTime · 10-06-2015 6:24pm

Ahh I forgot our dog is a militant atheist and LGBT rights activist. It's no wonder that that "paper" never gets seen in my hallway!

Best doggie ever!

TwoShedsJackson · 07-07-2015 11:50am

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/07/07/an-ostrich-is-not-a-dairy-cow/

Impeccable logic and reasoning in the current issue.

robdonn · 07-07-2015 12:09pm

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Impeccable logic and reasoning in the current issue.

I love how kids are now "optional extras", as if marriages were previously annulled if the couple couldn't have children.

Hotblack Desiato · 07-07-2015 12:24pm

"And once the link between marriage and children is broken, then marriage will soon be regarded as an optional extra to having children"

Soon Ireland will be flooded with co-habiting couples 'living in sin' and brazen hussy 'single mothers'! Luckily 'Barely Alive!' is in a 1955 timewarp where it may still be possible to prevent this happening!!!

The rest of it reads like a bad case of Oul' Wan Hyperbole:

Elderly Lady: Hello Father, did you hear about the whistle being stolen?
Father Ted: Yes, I was--
Elderly Lady: I never thought that I'd see the like. What next? Somebody will be murdered, and then where are we? Drive by shootings in the night, it'll be like Boys in the Hood. And then they'll have hooers selling their wares in the middle of the street and the pimps will be using crack cocaine to keep the hooers under control--' [Gun shot fires in background] '--I'm going home now Father to lock meself in the basement til they catch that fella. Good-bye to ye father.

Not a NSA agent · 07-07-2015 10:50pm

Children are raised best by a married couple so we should prevent people from getting married?

Can someone point out the definition of marriage in Irish law? People kept going on about it but all I saw was a man and a woman can get married, nothing about they must have children within 3 years or the marriage becomes void.

The idea of marrying your children is worryingly common among Christians.

Penn · 08-07-2015 8:41am

Not a NSA agent wrote: »

The idea of marrying your children is worryingly common among Christians.

It seems to be a last-ditch argument thrown about when all else has failed, even though it's easily debunked.

"What's to stop a man marrying his son, or two male friends getting married, just so they save money on tax?"
"The same thing that currently stops a man from marrying his daughter, or male/female friends from getting married just so they save money on tax."

lazygal · 08-07-2015 9:09am

Bad Horse wrote: »

It seems to be a last-ditch argument thrown about when all else has failed, even though it's easily debunked.

"What's to stop a man marrying his son, or two male friends getting married, just so they save money on tax?"
"The same thing that currently stops a man from marrying his daughter, or male/female friends from getting married just so they save money on tax."

This was trotted out by David Quinn in the dying days of the marriage equality campaign. He said he had contacted the powers that be who had confirmed that marriage equality would mean that two men or women, regardless of their sexual orientation, would be able to marry if the referendum was passed even if they weren't in love and could avail of the tax benefits. This misses the point that men and women could always marry each other, for any reasons whatsoever, as long as they stayed within the laws. I was never asked if I was in love with my now husband or were we just friends getting married to save money on tax. We were two people who met all the criteria for getting married in Ireland at the time and that was all the information the HSE needed.

Penn · 08-07-2015 11:39am

lazygal wrote: »

This was trotted out by David Quinn in the dying days of the marriage equality campaign. He said he had contacted the powers that be who had confirmed that marriage equality would mean that two men or women, regardless of their sexual orientation, would be able to marry if the referendum was passed even if they weren't in love and could avail of the tax benefits. This misses the point that men and women could always marry each other, for any reasons whatsoever, as long as they stayed within the laws. I was never asked if I was in love with my now husband or were we just friends getting married to save money on tax. We were two people who met all the criteria for getting married in Ireland at the time and that was all the information the HSE needed.

Aye, he claimed it was okay if male/female friends got married for tax purposes because it's still "implied" that the marriage would be consummated, which is a greater leap of logic than "The communion bread literally becomes the body of Christ, but it still retains the physical properties of bread so isn't suitable for coeliacs"

lazygal · 08-07-2015 11:45am

Bad Horse wrote: »

Aye, he claimed it was okay if male/female friends got married for tax purposes because it's still "implied" that the marriage would be consummated, which is a greater leap of logic than "The communion bread literally becomes the body of Christ, but it still retains the physical properties of bread so isn't suitable for coeliacs"

We should never have done away with hanging out the bloody sheets after a wedding, in other words. And of course all women who are friends with men are only dying to consummate the relationship.

Fred Swanson · 08-07-2015 11:51am

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lazygal · 08-07-2015 11:53am

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I think its a don't ask/don't tell kinda thing, unless you want an annulment. And we all know teh gheys can't consummate anything.

nikpmup · 17-10-2015 10:58am

Sooo....Alive gets shoved in my letterbox the other day, and there's a photo of Kate Winslet on the front, and inside an article stating that she amongst others has signed an open letter to Amnesty International; condemning them because apparently now Amnesty are supporting the killing of babies and people trafficking... For sh1ts and giggles I googled Kate Winslet's agent and fired off an email asking if they were aware that this rag was using their clients picture and name in this way. Yesterday, I got an email from Kate Winslet's PR woman, asking for details of the paper so they could look into it. Wouldn't it be peachy if Alive got slapped with a weighty legal challenge from a big PR firm!? :P

Cabaal · 17-10-2015 11:05am

nikpmup wrote: »

Wouldn't it be peachy if Alive got slapped with a weighty legal challenge from a big PR firm!? :P

We can only hope!
Would be no harm alright, I'd imagine few hundred k of a legal challenge might put them out of business with any luck.

nikpmup · 17-10-2015 11:16am

Cabaal wrote: »

We can only hope!
Would be no harm alright, I'd imagine few hundred k of a legal challenge might put them out of business with any luck.

I asked if they'd let me know the outcome, I'll post any more details I get. Fun! Nov/Dec issue will be worth a read

fisgon · 19-10-2015 11:44pm

nikpmup wrote: »

. For sh1ts and giggles I googled Kate Winslet's agent and fired off an email asking if they were aware that this rag was using their clients picture and name in this way. Yesterday, I got an email from Kate Winslet's PR woman, asking for details of the paper so they could look into it. Wouldn't it be peachy if Alive got slapped with a weighty legal challenge from a big PR firm!? :P

Kudos to you sir/madam, admirable initiative. They really are the lowest of the low, these guys. Would love to know where they get their funding from.

Cabaal · 03-11-2015 3:12pm

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/11/03/godwins-law-alive-and-well/

Catholic Church paper “Alive!” compares journalists to Auschwitz staff #repealthe8th

robindch · 03-11-2015 3:27pm

Cabaal wrote: »

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/11/03/godwins-law-alive-and-well/

Lordy, lordy - Alive comes out against somebody who facilitated the Holocaust. Presumably Adolf Eichmann should have been off the hook - so to speak - as well?

Cabaal · 24-11-2015 9:14am

Anything good in Alive this month?

Read all about it
http://www.alive.ie/uploads/6/5/1/1/6511516/alive__nov_2015.pdf (page 4)

Penn · 24-11-2015 9:42am

Want to be entertained without leaving your sofa? No problem. Netflix has got you covered. (Just keep the “and chill” part for marriage).

:D:D

PopePalpatine · 24-11-2015 10:08am

Just leave out anything with a strong female lead...or pretty much anything without a devout Catholic male lead, actually.

robindch · 24-11-2015 10:51am

Cabaal wrote: »

Anything good in Alive this month?

A cracking poem contra secularists whom the author seems to conflate with pro-choice, pro-EU, pro-marriage equality atheists:

Alive wrote:

They'll travel the earth to help the forlorn,
But won't lift a finger to save the unborn.
They say it's a 'right' to kill a child in the womb,
But refuse to hear the silent scream in the room.
On radio and TV they give one side of a debate,
No voice from Catholics whom they fear and hate.
If you don't vote their way in deceitful referenda,
They'll run them again - it's the EU agenda.
They love using words like 'equality' and 'diversity',
And impose their thinking in the school and university.
They think it's normal for two women to wed,
Or a man to make himself female instead.
They invent new terms for murder and perversion,
Their only hope is prayer and conversion.
So we'll light a candle for these wretches then,
And may Amazing Grace save them, Amen.

Almost opposite this ad, btw:

Alive wrote:

LAMB scales, sheep dipping tubs. Everything supplied for handling sheep nationwide, BTG Esmonde Machinery. 0402 37182.

WTF?

Hotblack Desiato · 25-11-2015 11:45pm

Flocks don't tend themselves

Squeeonline · 26-11-2015 1:31pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Flocks don't tend themselves

Only sheep need a shepherd.

Cabaal · 20-04-2016 2:00pm

Liveline!

http://www.rte.ie/cspodcasts/media.mp3?c1=2&c2=16951747&ns_site=test&ns_type=clickin&rte_vs_ct=aud&rte_vs_sc=pod&rte_mt_sec=radio&rte_vs_sn=radio1&rte_mt_pub_dt=2016-04-11&rte_mt_prg_name=test-liveline&title=Article%20in%20Alive!%20Newspaper&c7=http%3A%2F%2Fpodcast.rasset.ie%2Fpodcasts%2Faudio%2F2016%2F0411%2F20160411_rteradio1-liveline-articleina_c20967476_20967478_232_drm_.mp3&r=http%3A%2F%2Fpodcast.rasset.ie%2Fpodcasts%2Faudio%2F2016%2F0411%2F20160411_rteradio1-liveline-articleina_c20967476_20967478_232_drm_.mp3

Mary told Joe she was appalled at a headline in the current issue of Alive magazine: ‘Study finds smacked children more successful in life.’ Fr Brian McKevitt, editor of Alive, joined Joe and other listeners to discuss.

Good old alive saying good things about something that is illegal in Ireland, on the subject of abusing other humans next we'll have a catholic archbishop claiming women get beaten by their husbands because they don't obey them....oh wait that already happened this week

A Catholic archbishop in Spain is causing controversy by implying that women are primarily to blame for domestic violence.

Archbishop Braulio Rodriguez Plaza of Toledo told his congregation on Dec. 27 that domestic violence mainly occurs when a woman asks her husband for divorce, reports The Local.

sighhh

galljga1 · 20-04-2016 2:08pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Liveline!

http://www.rte.ie/cspodcasts/media.mp3?c1=2&c2=16951747&ns_site=test&ns_type=clickin&rte_vs_ct=aud&rte_vs_sc=pod&rte_mt_sec=radio&rte_vs_sn=radio1&rte_mt_pub_dt=2016-04-11&rte_mt_prg_name=test-liveline&title=Article%20in%20Alive!%20Newspaper&c7=http%3A%2F%2Fpodcast.rasset.ie%2Fpodcasts%2Faudio%2F2016%2F0411%2F20160411_rteradio1-liveline-articleina_c20967476_20967478_232_drm_.mp3&r=http%3A%2F%2Fpodcast.rasset.ie%2Fpodcasts%2Faudio%2F2016%2F0411%2F20160411_rteradio1-liveline-articleina_c20967476_20967478_232_drm_.mp3

Good old alive saying good things about something that is illegal in Ireland, on the subject of abusing other humans next we'll have a catholic archbishop claiming women get beaten by their husbands because they don't obey them....oh wait that already happened this week

sighhh

Ah, that restores my faith in humanity.

Cabaal · 20-04-2016 2:40pm

Whats worrying about Brian McKevitt, editor of Alive viewpoint is he believes being secular (not connected with religious or spiritual matters) means you are part of a religion which he calls a secular religion.

There's just no reasoned discussion you can have with such a deluded individual like that. He also believes parents should be able to beat their children. He also went and played the victim card during the podcast claiming Alive is the victim of an attack. Pretty pathetic.

robindch · 20-04-2016 2:54pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Whats worrying about Brian McKevitt, editor of Alive viewpoint is he believes being secular (not connected with religious or spiritual matters) means you are part of a religion which he calls a secular religion.

In this, McKevitt takes on more and more of the personality of Douglas Adams' 'Electric Monk' - a being whose sole purpose in life is to believe things regardless, or perhaps because of, of how unreal they are.

One could perorate to one's grave without ever convincing McKevitt, his colleagues and followers that "secular" does not mean "atheist", but in fact, that the state does not take sides in religious matters.

Cabaal · 28-06-2016 11:11am

Anything good in Alive this week?

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The Catholics stay in the garden?

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/06/28/anything-good-in-alive-4/

Penn · 28-06-2016 12:34pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Anything good in Alive this week?

The Catholics stay in the garden?

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/06/28/anything-good-in-alive-4/

Of course not. Don't be ridiculous.

They mean there's enough garden space for a Child of Prague, a buried upside-down St.Joseph statue, and enough St.Benedict medals in the foundations for 1-2 Catholics.

It's no wonder house building costs are going up...

Qs · 28-06-2016 1:58pm

Even that bit of wood is saddened by reading Alive!

Alive! Newspaper.

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