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BIG BROTHER ALERT !!!
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July 20th, 2008 - unless I've missed one since then.
Doesn't seem all that long ago.
Wait...it isn't all that long ago.Let me re-iterate the bit you obviously missed. I was driving a car that I was insured to drive, but which wasn't registered to me.
So no, the registration plate is not "as good", nor is a false plate the only way around it.
But hey, if its any consolation, the eye-rolling smiley almost convinced me I was making things up.0 -
Run_to_da_hills wrote: »I hope you had the decency to pay the registered owner the bill. :rolleyes:
With respect...its no more your business who paid the bill then it is the government's. As I've already stated, it was paid in cash by someone other than me. That's as much information as they get. Thats as much information as you get.
If you have some sort of problem with not knowing who paid a cost I incurred....what makes you any different to those you're complaining about who apparently want to know?
And seriously...what's with the eye-rolling? A couple of hours ago, you apparently believed that it was impossible to cross the Westlink without Big Brother knowing. I've shown you and everyone reading this exactly how the system can be beaten...where the limits of this system lie. For some reasoin this seems to be pissing you off.
Are you annoyed that Big Brother isn't as all-powerful as you thought?
Are you annoyed at me for not misleading people into believing in some fictional scare-mongering, prefering instead to deal with facts?
What, exactly, is the problem?0 -
With respect...its no more your business who paid the bill then it is the government's. As I've already stated, it was paid in cash by someone other than me. That's as much information as they get. Thats as much information as you get.
If you have some sort of problem with not knowing who paid a cost I incurred....what makes you any different to those you're complaining about who apparently want to know?
And seriously...what's with the eye-rolling? A couple of hours ago, you apparently believed that it was impossible to cross the Westlink without Big Brother knowing. I've shown you and everyone reading this exactly how the system can be beaten...where the limits of this system lie. For some reasoin this seems to be pissing you off.
Are you annoyed that Big Brother isn't as all-powerful as you thought?
Are you annoyed at me for not misleading people into believing in some fictional scare-mongering, prefering instead to deal with facts?
What, exactly, is the problem?
Commute or around London for a while and you will see more him.0 -
Run_to_da_hills wrote: »Did I ever say that BIG BROTHER was 100% up and running in Ireland?. :rolleyes:
Commute or around London for a while and you will see more him.
What exactly is your agenda? I mean you appear to want this big brother scenario and yet keep posting half truths to supposedly draw attention to it.0 -
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What exactly is your agenda? I mean you appear to want this big brother scenario and yet keep posting half truths to supposedly draw attention to it.
The agenda of this thread is to expose a the BIG BROTHER society that is subtly imposing in on our civil liberties in our day to day movements.
Read the article in the independent, Some people just seem to be too ":rolleyes:" to even notice it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/britain-becoming-a-big-brother-society-says-data-watchdog-446700.html0 -
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Run_to_da_hills wrote: »Did I ever say that BIG BROTHER was 100% up and running in Ireland?. :rolleyes:
Commute or around London for a while and you will see more him.
I live in London. As mentioned the two major terrorist attacks post the 7/7 bombings were thwarted not by BIG BROTHER, but by the terrorist incompetence. Meanwhile we have the Forest Gate Raid, and the De Mendez murder in the press that undermines the competence of the "NWO" who you see as an all seeing all powerful organisation.0 -
I live in London. As mentioned the two major terrorist attacks post the 7/7 bombings were thwarted not by BIG BROTHER, but by the terrorist incompetence. Meanwhile we have the Forest Gate Raid, and the De Mendez murder in the press that undermines the competence of the "NWO" who you see as an all seeing all powerful organisation.
Banksy has a nice piece of relevant artwork just off Oxford Circus get there before it gets removed by the London Council as an embarrassment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bansky_one_nation_under_cctv.jpg0 -
Run_to_da_hills wrote: »FFS Big BROTHER tried to cover up the De Mendez incident by stating that the CCTV cams were all out of action in Stockwell that morning. :rolleyes:
Banksy has a nice piece of artwork off Oxford Circus get there before it gets removed by the London Council as an embarrassment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bansky_one_nation_under_cctv.jpg[/url]
They don't cover up Banksy's work anymore.0 -
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Run_to_da_hills wrote: »FFS Big BROTHER tried to cover up the De Mendez incident by stating that the CCTV cams were all out of action in Stockwell that morning. :rolleyes:
And the way the witnesses contradicted the police story, like total cover up.
I'm on stockwell station every morning. Theres no CCTV on the carriage.
Banksy has a nice piece of artwork off Oxford Circus get there before the council removes it.:) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bansky_one_nation_under_cctv.jpg
Whats the pathetic about that piece is that it's in a CCTV blackspot, there's no cameras covering that piece of landscape. It's fantastically hyprocritical.
But hey go on an explain how the lisbon treaty will overide the Dail.
Or how will there be compulsory ID checks which will contain all personal information.
Who is checking all our e-mails/texts/phone calls and how?
Or why should all our driving licences not have our photos, or can you prove we need chipped IDs before crossing the border to NI?The agenda of this thread is to expose a the BIG BROTHER society that is subtly imposing in on our civil liberties in our day to day movements.
The agenda of this thread is to expose your baseless paranoia.0 -
Run_to_da_hills wrote: »Banksy has a nice piece of relevant artwork just off Oxford Circus get there before it gets removed by the London Council as an embarrassment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bansky_one_nation_under_cctv.jpg
Yeah dude they're' usually not removing them, but chipping them off and selling them.
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thecommander wrote: »They don't cover up Banksy's work anymore.
This one is not going to last, Ignorant move by the council. If they had any brains they would have fenced it off and charged an admission.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7688251.stm0 -
Run_to_da_hills wrote: »This one is not going to last,
It's been there FOR 8 MONTHS!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-559547/Graffiti-artist-Banksy-pulls-audacious-stunt-date--despite-watched-CCTV.htmlIgnorant move by the council. If they had any brains they would have fenced it off and charged an admission.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7688251.stm
It's not on council land it's on land owned by the Royal Mail.
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And the way the witnesses contradicted the police story, like total cover up.
I'm on stockwell station every morning. Theres no CCTV on the carriage.
.Whats the pathetic about that piece is that it's in a CCTV blackspot, there's no cameras covering that piece of landscape. It's fantastically hypocritical.
.But hey go on an explain how the Lisbon treaty will override the Dail.
With the majority of politicians advocating a yes vote on the Treaty of Lisbon, claiming it is nothing more then a tidying-up treaty designed to make the EU run more efficiently. They have purposely failed to discuss any of the facts contained in the Treaty, especially in regard to areas where the EU will gain power over Irish law if the Lisbon Treaty is ratified in all member States. In these new areas EU law will prevail over Irish law in any matter of conflict (declaration 17 of the Treaty ). This could include areas where the EU has exclusive power, joint power and the power to co-ordinate the Member States in the areas where they will still retain power to make their own laws.
In all these areas Article 52 in the European Charter of Fundamental rights will become legally binding on all Irish and EU citizens. This will allow the EU to do any thing it wants to in these areas. For it can limit and take away our rights any time it pleases.
Article 52 Scope of guaranteed rights:
1. “Any limitation on the exercise of the rights and freedoms recognized by this Charter must be provided for by law and respect the essence of those rights and freedoms. Subject to the principle of proportionality, limitations may be made only if they are necessary and genuinely meet objectives of general interest recognized by the Union or the need to protect the rights and freedoms of others“.
Legal explanations
The purpose of Article 52 is to set the scope of the rights and principles of the Charter, and to lay down rules for their interpretation. Paragraph 1 deals with the arrangements for the limitation of rights. The wording is based on the case law of the Court of Justice: “…it is well established in the case law of the Court that restrictions may be imposed on the exercise of fundamental rights, in particular in the context of a common organization of the market.
Literally our rights will be granted and can be taken away by foreign Judges in the European Court of Justice and all they will have to do to justify any action against a person or organization is claim it is for the interest and objectives of the Union. This is in direct contrast of our Irish Constitution.
Article 40.3.1 states. ( A Study Of The Irish Text By Micheal O Cearuil )“The State guarantees not to interfere by its laws with the personal rights of any citizen, and further guarantees to defend and assert those rights with its laws in so far as it is possible“.
This article makes it as clear as can be that at no time can the Irish State make laws or take any action that goes against our natural born inalienable rights, this includes areas such as right to freedom of expression, right to privacy of the family, right to choose health, right to own and keep property, right to self-determination etc.
Who in their right mind would want to vote yes to something that would overrule our Constitution, that enshrines and fully respects our natural born inaliable human rights. However, unfortunately we live in a world where our public servants don’t serve us but their higher powers in Europe. Whether it is Fianna Fail, Fine Gael, Labour or any organization calling for a yes vote, they have purposely tried to mislead the public they are supposed to serve into thinking the European Charter of Fundamental Rights is better than our Constitutional rights. They are working not in the interest of Irish and EU citizens, but in the interests of big Government and business. They see no benefit in citizens having rights the State cannot take away unless we vote to allow them to do so.
However if you are not aware of what is actually contained in the Treaty text and vote yes, based on what those on the yes side say about it, you could soon be in for a rude awakening if it is within the jurisdiction of EU law.
The Irish Constitution will become invalid if the Treaty of Lisbon is ratified, despite those on the yes side claiming it won’t, for it is these people who will have most to gain with the destruction of it who are advocating this. In areas such as personal rights, family, health, property, social, we will be at the mercy of Judges who could be in the pocket of the Union and big business. If a developer wants your land to develop a project, you could be forced to sell it for a pittance, or the Union could seize it for nothing, if they feel it is in the interest of the Union to allow a development where your land is.
In the area of health you and your family could be forced to take poisonous vaccinations or face imprisonment if the Union makes them mandatory. Britain has already proposed this, even though a Federal Court in America recently ruled that a girl with Autism was caused by vaccination shots. In Ireland these are voluntary but if you consent to taking them the makers are not liable if any harm is caused to you or your family.
Under our Constitution we are fully protected by these kind of actions, so the State cannot force itself on anyone or make anything mandatory if it goes against
Article 40.3.2 ( A Study Of The Irish Text By Micheal O Cearuil )
“The State will, in particular, by its laws, protect the life and person and good reputation and property rights of every citizen“.
The real question we need to ask is why has the general public been kept in the dark about what is actually in the Treaty and what the Treaty will do in terms of our rights.
Having fundamental inalienable human rights is the cornerstone of any great society, but if the Treaty of Lisbon is ratified, we will not have any enshrined rights, but the rights that EU grants us. This is a sign of how the EU views the citizens of it’s Member States, they feel we have no rights especially if it goes against their interests. What if you speak out about EU corruption, will you be arrested for going against the Unions interests. Article 52 of the ECOFR would allow the Union to legally and lawfully do so.
The EU is beginning to act like a dictatorship, they are nice when you go along with them, but when you disagree or have concerns of how the EU is trying to turn itself in to a Super-state or Empire as EU President Barrosso proclaimed back in 2007, you see their true colours, like back in 2001 when we voted against Nice. Their response was we’ll vote again until we vote the way they want us to. The same can be said of this Lisbon Treaty for it is over 90 % the same as the rejected EU Constitution, which the French and Dutch people wisely rejected back in 2005 when the EU showed them their true colours. The EU response to this was we will not let them have a vote this time.Or how will there be compulsory ID checks which will contain all personal information. .
We also dont know what information that the US or EU authorities will require off us at port of entry / exit. as mentioned in yesterdays Herald and todays Irish Times.Who is checking all our e-mails/texts/phone calls and how?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/1107/1225925540654.htmlOr why should all our driving licenses not have our photos, or can you prove we need chipped IDs before crossing the border to NI?
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The agenda of this thread is to expose your baseless paranoia.0 -
Run_to_da_hills wrote: »With the majority of politicians advocating a yes vote on the Treaty of Lisbon, claiming it is nothing more then a tidying-up treaty designed to make the EU run more efficiently. They have purposely failed to discuss any of the facts contained in the Treaty, especially in regard to areas where the EU will gain power over Irish law if the Lisbon Treaty is ratified in all member States. In these new areas EU law will prevail over Irish law in any matter of conflict (declaration 17 of the Treaty ). This could include areas where the EU has exclusive power, joint power and the power to co-ordinate the Member States in the areas where they will still retain power to make their own laws.
In all these areas Article 52 in the European Charter of Fundamental rights will become legally binding on all Irish and EU citizens. This will allow the EU to do any thing it wants to in these areas. For it can limit and take away our rights any time it pleases.
Article 52 Scope of guaranteed rights:
1. “Any limitation on the exercise of the rights and freedoms recognized by this Charter must be provided for by law and respect the essence of those rights and freedoms......etc
You just copy and pasted from someone elses website. Lame.0 -
thecommander wrote: »You just copy and pasted from someone elses website. Lame.
I already stated my case about the Lisbon treaty and what I thought of it.
It is so bloody long winded, complicated and purposely orchestrated to cause confusion among the layman (and politician ) and for that reason I just couldn't be arsed explaining it in my own words.
The article covers some very valid points worth reading about the Irish Constitution..0 -
Run_to_da_hills wrote: »There was probably never any CCTV in the carrage in the first place. it was the CCTV footage from the turnstyles to the platform that went AWAL. :rolleyes:
No it didn't I really wouldn't be so fond of the aul rolleyes smiley there RtdH you're consistently being shown as pig ignorant on the subject matter you're speaking on.
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/society/law_order/menezes+last+moments+shown+on+cctv/894752Did you ever read up about it? its supposed to have been painted in full view of CCTV (Whether they were live or not).
Read up about it? I work around the corner from it. It's painted in a blank spot for the cctv, all the cameras are facing away from that location.Lisbon and the Irish Constitution which is my concern.
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The following paliva doesn't reference the Lisbon treaty is the interpretation of someone who's worried that the EU will make us take "poisonous vaccines" and is quite clearly nuts, RtdH if you are so concerned about the Lisbon treaty perhaps you could clearly point out the specific parts of the treaty that bother you so.It is so bloody long winded, complicated and purposely orchestrated to cause confusion among the layman (and politician
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No it didn't I really wouldn't be so fond of the aul rolleyes smiley there RtdH you're consistently being shown as pig ignorant on the subject matter you're speaking on. .Read up about it? I work around the corner from it. It's painted in a blank spot for the cctv, all the cameras are facing away from that location..The following paliva doesn't reference the Lisbon treaty is the interpretation of someone who's worried that the EU will make us take "poisonous vaccines" and is quite clearly nuts, RtdH if you are so concerned about the Lisbon treaty perhaps you could clearly point out the specific parts of the treaty that bother you so. .It's a legal document that concerns 27 countries frankly if it wasn't long winded and complicated I'd be concerned.
Gordon Brown lied to the people of the UK, a referendum on Lisbon was promised to the nation and it never happened.
A similar thing happened in Europe in the 1940i's. This up and coming NWO dictatorship will use commerce instead of military might to eventually control the movements of every man woman and child in Europe Europe with microchips. :eek:
You must also remember that this is a conspiracy theory forum and not the political forum so don't get offended.:)0 -
Run_to_da_hills wrote: »Point made that there was an initial attempt on a cover up. with the Demenze case.
Yes there was. It was quickly exposed as a lie, there is now a inquiry and the chief of the metropolitan police has been forced to resign. This is hardly a damning indictment of NWO control.I haven't seen the mural for myself, I am only going on articles and press reports, perhaps I will see it for myself when I am over at the weekend if it is not painted over already.
IT WAS THERE THIS MORNING!
Jesus.I am concerned about A our neutrality and B our constitution..
You just can't point out to me where it affects either A) or .So longwinded that many of our own politicians never even bothered to read it them selves (This was reported).
Irish politician lazy shocker.It was also so long winded that It was NEVER put to the floor in all ther nations, (Bar France and Holland of which it wasater rigged) which shows exactly how much of a farce of a democracy the Lisbon traty is.
This is such an ass backward gross misrepresentation of the lisbon treaty it's hard to know where to start.
It's because of a constitutional quirk that Ireland is one of the only EU nation
that requires a referendum.Gordon Brown lied to the people of the UK, a referendum on Lisbon was promised to the nation and it never happened.
A similar thing happened in Europe in the 1940i's. This up and coming NWO dictatorship will use commerce instead of military might to eventually control the movements of every man woman and child in Europe Europe with microchips. :eek:
You must also remember that this is a conspiracy theory forum and not the political forum so don't get offended.:)
You mean the rise of fascism? How do you explain how the fascists were defeated?0 -
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Run_to_da_hills wrote: »I am concerned about A our neutrality and B our constitution..
Or did you accept the anti Lisbon claim without actually examining them properly?Run_to_da_hills wrote: »It was also so long winded that It was NEVER put to the floor in all ther nations, (Bar France and Holland of which it wasater rigged) which shows exactly how much of a farce of a democracy the Lisbon traty is.
Cause if it wasn't rigged it kinda invalidates your point about it being a "farce of democracy".Run_to_da_hills wrote: »Gordon Brown lied to the people of the UK, a referendum on Lisbon was promised to the nation and it never happened.
Is it possible that Brown said that there would be a vote when it was legally required but when the time came the treaty had changed in a way that a vote was not necessary?
Stuff like that needs to be put into context otherwise people might infer a lot more than is actually there.Run_to_da_hills wrote: »A similar thing happened in Europe in the 1940i's. This up and coming NWO dictatorship will use commerce instead of military might to eventually control the movements of every man woman and child in Europe Europe with microchips. :eek:
Or does anything you don't argee with or don't understand lead to NWO microchips?0 -
Any proof that the votes were rigged (as if i have to ask).
Cause if it wasn't rigged it kinda invalidates your point about it being a "farce of democracy".
Source?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1558330/Gordon-Brown-'broke-promise'-over-EU-treaty.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-487653/Labours-broken-promise-referendum-new-EU-Treaty-betrayal-public-trust.html0 -
Run_to_da_hills wrote: »It was in his Gordan Browns election manifesto that a referendum would be held. It never happened. People are furious about it and thats why there is so much support for Ireland over the issue.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1558330/Gordon-Brown-'broke-promise'-over-EU-treaty.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-487653/Labours-broken-promise-referendum-new-EU-Treaty-betrayal-public-trust.html
I notice however that the promise the labour party was made two years before the Lisbon treaty was put through, So I'll ask again, was a vote legally required when the promise was made and did it change between then and when the treaty was put through?
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Gasp, a politician who lied? Tis surely a sign of the end times.
I notice however that the promise the labour party was made two years before the Lisbon treaty was put through, So I'll ask again, was a vote legally required when the promise was made and did it change between then and when the treaty was put through?
Would you like to address any of my other points?
The Lisbon Referendum cough EUROPEAN CONSTITUTION goes back to 2004. it is has always will be known as the EUROPEAN CONSTITUTION
It has been clothed in different titles so that it will worm its way into different nationalities Just like a certain party walked their way through Europe in the 1940ies except they used excessive force.
It has already been called the Nice Treaty, the Reform treaty, then Lisbon,and will probably be called something else before the next Irish referendum. :rolleyes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Constitution
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Run_to_da_hills wrote: »It has already been called the Nice Treaty, the Reform treaty, then Lisbon,and will probably be called something else before the next Irish referendum. :rolleyes:
Nice Treaty was already passed, its a separate bill altogether. But you knew that already?0 -
Run_to_da_hills wrote: »Gordon Brown said he would put the EUROPEAN CONSTITUTION to the floor in his manifesto.
Did the Lisbon Treaty legally require a referendum like it did here?Run_to_da_hills wrote: »The Lisbon Referendum cough EUROPEAN CONSTITUTION goes back to 2004. it is has always will be known as the EUROPEAN CONSTITUTION
It has already been called the Nice Treaty, the Reform treaty, then Lisbon,and will probably be called something else before the next Irish referendum. :rolleyes:
So the constitution being changed to address the problems countries who voted against it is a NWO scheme?
Of course I'm sure you can point out how exactly the Lisbon treaty and the European Constitution are exactly the same.
The Nice treaty is entirely different from the Lisbon Treaty and had been already passed. Why exactly would the NWO rename something that had been already passed and try (and fail) to pass it again?
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So the constitution being changed to address the problems countries who voted against it is a NWO scheme?
Of course I'm sure you can point out how exactly the Lisbon treaty and the European Constitution are exactly the same.
The Nice treaty is entirely different from the Lisbon Treaty and had been already passed. Why exactly would the NWO rename something that had been already passed and try (and fail) to pass it again?
Still not going to address the other points in my first post?
Maybe I should have phrased it that Lisbon treaty is a progression of Maastricht and Nice. It is still the EUROPEAN CONSTITUTION. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Nice
This is becoming a political thread and is OFF TOPIC.
A thread "The European Constitution and the NWO" would be more appropriate.0 -
So then, no, you're not going to explain how the Lisbon Treaty will lead to everyone being mircochipped or how we would lose our neutrality like you claimed. Nor shown any evidence or reason to believe the vote was rigged were it was passed like you claim.0
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Sofa_King Good wrote: »
Newly developed IT system.
US intelligence agency is spy development shocker!
Would you be happier if they had guns?
Seriously what's your point?0
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