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channelsurfer2 · 05-11-2010 11:06am

Obviously they are not going to disclose if there is a margin for a small leeway discretion of a few km's. I bet it will be a lot less than what the guards use as the private contractor employees will probably be subject to rigorous enforcement of the policy and have no leeway, unlike the guards who do use common sense most of the time.

Anan1 · 05-11-2010 11:08am

ytareh wrote: »

If they have no 'leeway' (at least 10kmh -its only 6mph after all-there was uproar in UK when they started getting people at 35mph in 30 zones AND it was like driving in a funeral procession)we WILL all be off the road in 6 months...or at least the 95% in test above ...the remaining 'supersaints' can post here about how we got our just deserts ...

I've some sympathy for the driver who gets clocked at 150km/h on a motorway, but you'd want to be a p1ss-poor driver to be doing 35mph in a 30 and not see the van in time.

Cuddlesworth · 05-11-2010 11:26am

New Gasto sitting outside of Cherrywood industrial estate right past the bridge heading towards the M50 last night. Dual carriageway, full visibility on either side of road, grass median with light hedge, 60kph speed limit. Never once seen or heard of a accident there.

Like shooting fish in a barrel.

Bits_n_Bobs · 05-11-2010 12:20pm

Saw that one in Cherrywood yesterday afternoon as well, was stopped at lights just in front of him. Flash went off at least half a dozen times while I was waiting for a green light, completely shooting fish in a barrel along the safest stretch of road around here, but with the dumbest speed limit.

Half a mile away there are rat-runs through estates with schools, shops and kids about - cars regularly break the sensible speed limit with complete impunity.

I.S.T. · 05-11-2010 12:20pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

New Gasto sitting outside of Cherrywood industrial estate right past the bridge heading towards the M50 last night. Dual carriageway, full visibility on either side of road, grass median with light hedge, 60kph speed limit. Never once seen or heard of a accident there.

Like shooting fish in a barrel.

Fixed camera or a van?

Bits_n_Bobs · 05-11-2010 12:29pm

It was a van

Cuddlesworth · 05-11-2010 12:54pm

IrishSpeedTraps wrote: »

Fixed camera or a van?

Placed it onto your site for reference. Absolute joke of a location, pure revenue generation.

ART6 · 05-11-2010 1:43pm

While I am all for anything that improves road safety without becoming obsessional about it, this business of covert cameras makes me uneasy. I don't like the idea of official bodies filming me with covert cameras at all. Once they get away with that, where do they stop next?

IMHO officials covertly spying on members of the public is a step too far.

daveharnett · 05-11-2010 1:45pm

questionmark? wrote: »

Putting one on a motorway and catching and fining people for doing 122kph in a 120kph is nothing more than a money making exercise.

Will these lads be allowed to operate in the "Garda Only" perches on motorways?

cookie2010 · 05-11-2010 2:28pm

do the new gasto vans flash ?? couple of people spotted one coming out of drogheda this morning was around 700 am , still dark , couple of drivers were clearly over the max speed of 80km and was not flashing ??

But also read on the garda site that they are not being set out until mid november ?? and that they are for just monitoring ,

Would u see in flash in the dark even if the windows are tinted black?

Cuddlesworth · 05-11-2010 3:57pm

cookie2010 wrote: »

do the new gasto vans flash ?? couple of people spotted one coming out of drogheda this morning was around 700 am , still dark , couple of drivers were clearly over the max speed of 80km and was not flashing ??

But also read on the garda site that they are not being set out until mid november ?? and that they are for just monitoring ,

Would u see in flash in the dark even if the windows are tinted black?

I saw a flash off the one yesterday, I believe it was new as it was a new Iveco. The conditions were dark with high winds and rain.

dahamsta · 05-11-2010 5:35pm

Abraham wrote: »

As matters stand and given our currently fast driving fast inclinations

Please provide evidence for this statement. It's nonsense, pure and simple, parrotted garbage trotted out by the likes of Gay Effing Byrne; people that don't drive.

The inclination out there, if there is one, is one of complete ignorance of the rules of the road, basic awareness, and basic geometry. If you want to fix the already low death rate caused by driving, there's one very simple solution: regular retesting. Take the licences off these idiots, get them off the road. Get the drunks, druggies and in particular the suicidal off the road while you're at it, that'll deal with the mysterious "one-car collisions" that are raising our numbers (to some of the lowest in the world).

Speed doesn't kill, bad driving kills. Stop reading red tops and educate yourself for god's sake.

adam

ytareh · 05-11-2010 6:06pm

I wonder how many single vehicle fatal accidents ARE suicides ...could be more than we think...

dahamsta wrote: »

Please provide evidence for this statement. It's nonsense, pure and simple, parrotted garbage trotted out by the likes of Gay Effing Byrne; people that don't drive.

The inclination out there, if there is one, is one of complete ignorance on the rules of the road, and basic awareness and geometry. If you want to fix the already low death rate caused by driving, there's one very simple solution: regular retesting. Take the licences off these idiots, get them off the road. Get the drunks, druggies and in particular the suicidal off the road while you're at it, that'll deal with the mysterious "one-car collisions" that are raising our numbers (to some of the lowest in the world).

Speed doesn't kill, bad driving kills. Stop reading red tops and educate yourself for god's sake.

adam

dahamsta · 05-11-2010 6:26pm

It wasn't a spurious statement, it's generally accepted by authorities, and in psychological / psychiatric circles, that a large proportion of "one vehicle collisions" are suicides. The remainder are nearly always drink or drug related.

The phrase is generally* an equivalent to "died alone in his/her house" in newspeak. When psychologists / psychiatrists / authorities hear the phrase, they translate it to "suicide", "drunk" or "druggy" in their heads. The Irish media have lots of these little agreed phrases.

So do nurses and doctors. Bikers are "organ donors", for example.

adam

* Generally != Always

-Chris- · 05-11-2010 6:33pm

Jesus, I dunno how this:

Abraham wrote: »

As matters stand and given our currently fast driving fast inclinations

turned into this:

dahamsta wrote: »

Please provide evidence for this statement. It's nonsense, pure and simple, parrotted garbage trotted out by the likes of Gay Effing Byrne; people that don't drive.

The inclination out there, if there is one, is one of complete ignorance of the rules of the road, basic awareness, and basic geometry. If you want to fix the already low death rate caused by driving, there's one very simple solution: regular retesting. Take the licences off these idiots, get them off the road. Get the drunks, druggies and in particular the suicidal off the road while you're at it, that'll deal with the mysterious "one-car collisions" that are raising our numbers (to some of the lowest in the world).

Speed doesn't kill, bad driving kills. Stop reading red tops and educate yourself for god's sake.

adam

I don't think anyone can deny that the average Irish driver habitually breaks the speed limit, and I'd agree with Abraham ('s full post) that a lot of drivers are going to be caught in the next few weeks, but I don't think that relates to your "death rate" rant.

dahamsta · 05-11-2010 6:42pm

Again, please provide evidence. I do deny your assertion, I drive every single day and the vast majority of drivers I see drive at, or more likely under the speed limit (because most older drivers still haven't figured out that the primary speed limit isn't 55mph, and hasn't been for over five years). The ones that do "speed" would generally still actually be within the speed limit, because they don't understand that their cars overestimate their actual speed. 60kph on the clock != 60kph on the road.

But that's my opinion, you seem to be stating a fact. So where does your "average" figure come from please? When I see facts, I'll accept them. Until then I think this notion that the entire country is pissing around the place like Carlos Sainz is just plain complete horsecrap.

Again, we need to take the bad drivers off the road. And we should fix the speed limits while we're at it, because most of them are quite frankly retarded, it's like the signs were put in place by oompa-loompas on an acid trip. Or county councillors trying to earn a few quid for themselves, perhaps...

adam

-Chris- · 05-11-2010 7:01pm

dahamsta wrote: »

Again, please provide evidence. I do deny your assertion, I drive every single day and the vast majority of drivers I see drive at, or more likely under the speed limit (because most older drivers still haven't figured out that the primary speed limit isn't 55mph, and hasn't been for over five years). The ones that do "speed" would generally still actually be within the speed limit, because they don't understand that their cars overestimate their actual speed. 60kph on the clock != 60kph on the road.

But that's my opinion, you seem to be stating a fact. So where does your "average" figure come from please? When I see facts, I'll accept them. Until then I think this notion that the entire country is pissing around the place like Carlos Sainz is just plain complete horsecrap.

Again, we need to take the bad drivers off the road. And we should fix the speed limits while we're at it, because most of them are quite frankly retarded, it's like the signs were put in place by oompa-loompas on an acid trip. Or county councillors trying to earn a few quid for themselves, perhaps...

adam

I'm having a bit of trouble negotiating the RSA penalty points statistics at the mo.
Looking at this page and the penalty points breakdown by type, 555,000 of 822,000 penalty points offences in 2009 were for speeding (i.e. 68% of penalty points offences).

Until I can decipher the RSA website and work out how these speeding offences compare to the number of licensed drivers I'm kind of stuck with saying it's by far the most commonly detected offence committed by drivers.

Bar that, I'll have to go with the fact that *my experience* is that more people are above the speed limit than below (including me) whenever they have the ability.

dahamsta · 05-11-2010 7:07pm

That's better, that's an opinion and I respect that (although in my experience, I'd refute it utterly, but that could just as easily be location as anything else).

I'm afraid I'll have to pass on penalty points as fact though - penalty points are an enumeration of enforcement, not lawbreaking - and anything the RSA says in general, because they're a bunch of lying muppets, as their advertising proves.

They could start building credibility by employing a spokesperson that does, you know, the thing he's talking about...

adam

PAULWATSON · 05-11-2010 8:21pm

private speed cameras, is this a new low for a supposed "democacy"?

-Chris- · 05-11-2010 8:24pm

How so?

PAULWATSON · 05-11-2010 8:29pm

-Chris- wrote: »

How so?

:eek: Mate, they are out to rake in the wonga, make no mistake about it.

-Chris- · 05-11-2010 8:31pm

PAULWATSON wrote: »

:eek: Mate, they are out to rake in the wonga, make no mistake about it.

And enforcing traffic law relates to democracy how?

smellyfinger · 05-11-2010 8:38pm

There was a red 10ky red transit outside telephone exchange in templeglantine co limerick for about 5 hours today in a 100kph zone and also a white 10kk iveco van outside sheehans shop in templeglantine village at the same time, there is a van in templeglantine almost every day and if they were to go to barna which is only 5 km away,where at least 5 people have died in car wrecks this year it would make more sense. but as usual it has nothing to do with road safety and everything to do with revenue

ytareh · 05-11-2010 8:46pm

Ive seen two of these private revenue generating wagons at different unexpected locations in the last 3 days .Make no mistake if they enact a 'no leeway' policy they will be shooting ducks in a barrel and you WILL be caught (perhaps on a weekly or definitely monthly basis ) .Saw one outside Intel ,Leixlip that parked up in the darkness at the very edge of the 50kmh zone (out the country) this evening ,luckily I had noticed him driving along -the rectangular rear window cut out !-before hand ...He was breaking the speed limit !Pulled in and no doubt proceeded to catch dozens of people barely over the limit at 80 euro a head .Seriously this is going to be a MAJOR issue in the coming months .The clampers will be like Santa Claus compared with this shower.

White Transit Vents in roof 08 D 51261

ytareh · 05-11-2010 8:48pm

Because if 193 out of 205 people we caught speeding in one of their recent tests you can be fairly sure the vast majority of the population DONT want them on the roadsides...

-Chris- wrote: »

And enforcing traffic law relates to democracy how?

SomeDude · 05-11-2010 10:21pm

Has anyone tried the TomTom live sat nav? Apparently it alerts drivers -"...in conjunction with the Road Safety Authority (RSA) that will alert drivers when they are entering or exiting one of the new Speed Enforcement Zones in Ireland."

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/new-media/item/18548-tomtom-in-deal-with-rsa-to/

ytareh · 05-11-2010 10:24pm

Both the 2 vans Ive seen in last 3 days were NOT in the 'designated' zones..

The Recliner · 05-11-2010 11:27pm

SomeDude wrote: »

Has anyone tried the TomTom live sat nav? Apparently it alerts drivers -"...in conjunction with the Road Safety Authority (RSA) that will alert drivers when they are entering or exiting one of the new Speed Enforcement Zones in Ireland."

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/new-media/item/18548-tomtom-in-deal-with-rsa-to/

I was over in England at the weekend and hired a car and brought my Sat Nav with me, a 2 year old Garmin Nuvi

it had an interesting feature that I didn't know about, it automatically notified me if I was entering an area with a speed camera (and there are fecking millions of them over there) and would flash red if I was over the limit for the camera in the area

If that works over here then you wont get caught, you might rear end someone from looking at the Sat Nav all the time but that is a different matter

AugustusMinimus · 06-11-2010 12:02am

I'd say 10 to 20% of Irish motorists losing their licences will be a great boost to the Irish economy.

There'll be a lynch mob outside of Gay Byrne's door if it happens. (Hopefully)

dahamsta · 06-11-2010 12:04am

At least there won't be any cars in their way in the drive.

AugustusMinimus · 06-11-2010 12:09am

dahamsta wrote: »

At least there won't be any cars in their way in the drive.

Hmm. If the great Gaybo did hit 12 points, would he be finally forced to sit the driving test to get his licence back ?

DublinWriter · 06-11-2010 12:12am

The Recliner wrote: »

I was over in England at the weekend and hired a car and brought my Sat Nav with me, a 2 year old Garmin Nuvi

it had an interesting feature that I didn't know about, it automatically notified me if I was entering an area with a speed camera (and there are fecking millions of them over there)

The UK are removing hundreds of cameras by the week at the moment.

Victor · 06-11-2010 4:13am

brocdubh wrote: »

1,construction and use regulations state that"a speedometer/odometer must be accurate within 10%"so if your clock says 48kmh and theirs says 52kmh,legal argument ?

That isn't how the regulations are stated. The general requirement is that actual vehicle speed is less than displayed speed on the speedometer and ther eis a specific formula for that..

R.O.R wrote: »

There was one of these positioned southbound on the R132 (old N1) out of Drogheda this morning. Passed it about 06.50.

It's a nice wide piece of road, with wide hard shoulders, very few houses and was formally a 100kph stretch. I've been travelling that piece of road more or less daily for the last 13 years and haven't seen anything even remotely resembling an incident in that area.

I also wouldn't think it's a know area for speeding as most people tend to keep to the 80kph limit.

Hopefully, whoever is operating the camera will have a very dull few hours before giving up.

Part of the contract is for surveys and I ssupect that what a lot of the work is at the moment.

smellyfinger wrote: »

There was a red 10ky red transit outside telephone exchange in templeglantine co limerick for about 5 hours today in a 100kph zone and also a white 10kk iveco van outside sheehans shop in templeglantine village at the same time, there is a van in templeglantine almost every day and if they were to go to barna which is only 5 km away,where at least 5 people have died in car wrecks this year it would make more sense. but as usual it has nothing to do with road safety and everything to do with revenue

Were those speed related deaths?

Is there somewhere safe to put the detection van?

TwoShedsJackson · 06-11-2010 8:52am

Whatever about blatant revenue generation etc. etc., once these things have been in for a year, if the road death rate takes another major drop, will anyone then think they are a good idea?

Yakult · 06-11-2010 9:26am

Great, now we'll have the majority of terrible drivers paying more attention to their speedometers than the road.
I dont mind when the speed limit is 100kph as thats a handy speed to travel along imo but when they have 80kph roads that can be 100kph safely is where they will try and bag you.

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Whatever about blatant revenue generation etc. etc., once these things have been in for a year, if the road death rate takes another major drop, will anyone then think they are a good idea?

Of course, anything that can reduce pointless road deaths is great.
But not all come down to speeding, if you crash at 80/100kph your still going to need alot of luck not to be killed at those speeds.
What we need is concentration on these terrible roads (where Im from) not a distraction like speed cameras, people cant drive as it is.

ytareh · 06-11-2010 9:57am

Just been anounced unfortunately that road deaths took a massive increase in October .Not much of an endorsement of the previous raft of 'anti speeding' measures.Personally I think most would have to agree speeding as a whole has dramatically decreased in last 10 years (particularly at the 'top end' where the sort of 100+mph speeds one could have driven at daily in the past would now have you as headline news ahead of Paedophiles ,murderers and politicians .).Id say the October figure probably is a glitch .However there will ALWAYS be road fatalities what with heart attacks and suicides for starters.Of course I realise all too well the devastation caused by road deaths .Speeding is NOT the major cause of accidents .The minor roads where most accidents occur are often criminally maintained.The ones I drive ,one often finds boulders the size of footballs from the local quarries competing with huge potholes for the greatest hazard prize.Orwellian /Big Brother enforcement of speeding is on the way out in the UK and what do we do as usual ?Adopt their failing policies...

AugustusMinimus · 06-11-2010 10:21am

ytareh wrote: »

Just been anounced unfortunately that road deaths took a massive increase in October .Not much of an endorsement of the previous raft of 'anti speeding' measures.Personally I think most would have to agree speeding as a whole has dramatically decreased in last 10 years (particularly at the 'top end' where the sort of 100+mph speeds one could have driven at daily in the past would now have you as headline news ahead of Paedophiles ,murderers and politicians .).Id say the October figure probably is a glitch .However there will ALWAYS be road fatalities what with heart attacks and suicides for starters.Of course I realise all too well the devastation caused by road deaths .Speeding is NOT the major cause of accidents .The minor roads where most accidents occur are often criminally maintained.The ones I drive ,one often finds boulders the size of footballs from the local quarries competing with huge potholes for the greatest hazard prize.Orwellian /Big Brother enforcement of speeding is on the way out in the UK and what do we do as usual ?Adopt their failing policies...

The amount of driving over the speed limit I'd imagine has increased significantly in the last 10 years. This however is due to new motorways etc opening which allows us to drive safely over the limit.

On the other hand, I'd imagine reckless speeding on back roads has decreased.

I seriously doubt that the fall in road deaths has anything to do with the RSA's anti speeding campaign. New roads opening and increased drink driving testing by the Gardai have surely helped though.

The downturn in the Irish economy which meant lower traffic levels probably lead to the big fall last year in the road traffic accidents and fatalities.

pm. · 06-11-2010 6:09pm

time to invest http://www.photoblockeruk.com/special/ probably a load of carp I will need something like this as I travel 75k a year

AugustusMinimus · 06-11-2010 6:19pm

pm. wrote: »

time to invest http://www.photoblockeruk.com/special/ probably a load of carp I will need something like this as I travel 75k a year

Absolutely useless as far as I've heard.

You're best bet is to have a sat nav loaded with known locations.

worded · 06-11-2010 7:24pm

embracingLife wrote: »

Saw one of those vans parked on old Ballinteer road in Dundrum, Dublin this afternoon about 3pm. For those of you unfamiliar with this road,its a small road past a housing estate.

Anyway,as I approached it, I could see flashes of light-(first I thought it was lightning as its a windy/rainy day!) as cars ahead of me drove past this white van, but it was only as I got nearer I realised it was coming from this van.
Sure enough it was a speed camera van with only the words "Garda" written on back door and black windows on back doors of van. No reflectors at all on van so its only an ordinary looking white van and from the distance no way at all to tell what it is,so looks like these vans are going to catch everyone all the time.

No,I didn't get flashed myself luckily enough as I was going easy.

I couldn't believe it was parked on such a road, suppose the fish shooters in the back were counting their haul!

Is it illegal to flash warning lights to oncoming cars if you see a speeding van?

smellyfinger · 06-11-2010 7:49pm

Victor wrote: »

That isn't how the regulations are stated. The general requirement is that actual vehicle speed is less than displayed speed on the speedometer and ther eis a specific formula for that..

Part of the contract is for surveys and I ssupect that what a lot of the work is at the moment.

Were those speed related deaths?

Is there somewhere safe to put the detection van?

Yes there is plenty safe places to put the van and at least 2 deaths this year were speed related. i found a simple solution to the speed camera vans,i reversed my van tight up to their van and he had to move,not a happy chappie.

Stky10 · 06-11-2010 8:34pm

I was telling the GF to be careful regarding speeding last night, as she was due to travel from Dublin to Tipp this morning. She's quite a slow careful driver, to the extent that it sometimes drives me mad if I'm in the passenger seat. Her attitude last night was it would be no bother she doesn't speed, if people speed they deserve to get caught blah blah.

I got a text off her this morning when she arrived that she thinks she got caught on the way.

I'm glad I'm out of the country at the moment, hopefully some common sense will have been restored by the time I return around christmas. I wouldn't count on it, but you can only hope.

tinyjiney · 06-11-2010 8:36pm

I'm working on a flip down plate that covers the number plate when i see one of these vans ,it'll say "F**k you" on it....;)

Owen · 06-11-2010 8:45pm

There used to be a UK company who made flip up numberplates. They were called Bike2Track, it was for Motorbikes, but they made a car version too. You pushed a button, and it folded in half. Every 10 seconds it would try to close again in case potholes/wind tried to open it. Pushing the button again would open it. They were designed for 'track day use only'. Company's gone now, but they make savage money on eBay when they turn up.

tinyjiney · 06-11-2010 9:34pm

Would'nt fancy sitting in one of these vans, all alone, in the dark, at the mercy of some drunken scumbags or whoever driving past with say, tins of paint, or other flammable liquid in containers...now THATS shooting fish in a barrel..;);)

Darando · 06-11-2010 9:48pm

They must be putting the signs up though.

Noticed a new big speed camera sign on the Airton Road in Dublin (Jacobs side just as you come on to the Airton road).

No sign of any vans/cameras yet!

dahamsta · 07-11-2010 4:14am

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

if the road death rate takes another major drop, will anyone then think they are a good idea?

Do any of the "anti-speeding" / "pro safety"* posters on this forum understand the word "research", or "facts"? Do any of you even open a damned newspaper?

* I assume that the intelligent posters in here will pick up on the sarcasm. For the Skoda drivers though: I'm being sarcastic. There's nothing wrong with being "anti-speeding", as long as the "anti" is informed and not just plain reactionary because of wot i red in de sun. And there's nothing wrong with being pro-safety either. Unfortunately, you're not pro-safety, you're just an idiot without a clue.

Bumpstop · 07-11-2010 4:23am

Well my practice, for these new vans paid off on Friday morning. Coming off the M50 on my way home from work, I slowed to the ridiculous 50 Kmh limit on the off ramp.
As I merged slooooowly with the N2, the rozzers had trapped and pulled a van, he had just been pulled. Normally I would heve pissed by this van and sped off the ramp, and they would have got me.
I know it's not one of the new vans, but still my practice has paid off and driving within the limit should be second nature when, revenue gene...... I mean safety cameras arrive.

JayMul · 07-11-2010 4:30am

motorway limit is too slow should be 130 at least with more 120 zones and then rural roads should be decreased to 80 where they are sometimes 100. I may be wrong but it seems most lethal accidents occur on backroads.

Abraham · 07-11-2010 5:09pm

dahamsta wrote: »

Again, please provide evidence. I do deny your assertion, I drive every single day and the vast majority of drivers I see drive at, or more likely under the speed limit (because most older drivers still haven't figured out that the primary speed limit isn't 55mph, and hasn't been for over five years). The ones that do "speed" would generally still actually be within the speed limit, because they don't understand that their cars overestimate their actual speed. 60kph on the clock != 60kph on the road.

[QUOTE=dahamsta;

Speed doesn't kill, bad driving kills. Stop reading red tops and educate yourself for god's sake.

adam

Speed kills just the same as playing with fire contributes to the fire statistics.......but then maybe you'll need stats for that, will you ?
Like if people were better swimmers the tsunami would have had a better survival rate ?? And I concede that's true in an extreme consideration but it goes nowhere as a solution.

Also if you aren't so convinced of largescale disregard for the speeding laws, then I suggest that you spend a half hour on the M50 and try to drive under the speed limits there and don't up your speed regardless of what's happening behind you. Please do that and then tell us your honest experience.

Finally......you postulate somewhat about your 'opinion'.
Well, I expressed a view about 'inclination' which has as much validity as your opinion and many would agree with me.

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