Batman - Arkham Knight

johnny_ultimate · 04-03-2014 5:48pm

Excellent trailer all right, doesn't tell us much or anything about the game itself but it's a good hype machine :pac:

I hope Gotham is a more gritty, noirish place as indicated in that trailer as opposed to the slightly more cartoonish version in City. Nothing suits a more brooding tone than Batman!

Deano7788 · 04-03-2014 5:49pm

Please let there be something like the chase scene form Begins. That could be brilliant if done right.

calex71 · 04-03-2014 5:55pm

I really hope they make drastic changes with everything in the city outside of the story, it's getting old now and needs a fresh approach.

I loved the story in Origins but there was little else new or interesting.

I would nearly settle for a more linear and tighter story driven game over a bat mobile and soulless open city with the same old things to do in it.

.... and please no crappy multiplayer !!!!!

Penn · 04-03-2014 5:56pm

I imagine Joker will be involved in this somehow. He's almost definitely still dead, but perhaps he helped set something up before he died or something. Given that this is the finale of the 4 games and he was the main baddie in all 3 so far, I can't imagine he'll be completely absent.

My main hope though is we see more of the Bat Family. Have Robin, Nightwing and Batgirl in the game. Probably not playable, but having a city-wide problem they're all trying to contain and crossing paths with them throughout would give it a more epic scale.

My main fear on the other hand is the Batmobile being too powerful and how they'll manage it gameplay-wise in terms of enemies in the street. It'll probably mostly be used for chase sections though and a lot of the city probably won't be accessible in the Batmobile.

Fantastic trailer though. Despite the disappointment that was Origins, I'm still looking forward to this.

Zero-Cool · 04-03-2014 5:58pm

I really don't think there will be green question marks all over the place this time. I'm sure they will have other collectibles and riddles but the city won't be a neon green, I hope anyway.

Mr Freeze · 04-03-2014 6:00pm

The Riddler collectibles are a complete farce at this stage.

Mickeroo · 04-03-2014 6:02pm

Mr Freeze wrote: »

The Riddler collectibles are a complete farce at this stage.

They were grand in the first game, there was only about 75 of them. I started collecting them in City but when I looked up how many there were I immediately went to youtube and just watched he Riddler cut scenes instead.

Skerries · 04-03-2014 6:07pm

I literally only finished the main storyline in Origins last night, way too much filler so only finished with 32% done

Varik · 04-03-2014 6:10pm

Penn wrote: »

My main hope though is we see more of the Bat Family. Have Robin, Nightwing and Batgirl in the game. Probably not playable, but having a city-wide problem they're all trying to contain and crossing paths with them throughout would give it a more epic scale.

Considering this is a squeal then Batgirl is already oracle and unless they gone the new 52 route she's still crippled, but Nightwing and Robin maybe.

I just want Jason Todd.

danthefan · 04-03-2014 6:30pm

Just watched the trailer, there's no gameplay but it's a great trailer all the same, can't wait for this game.

Penn · 04-03-2014 6:44pm

Varik wrote: »

Considering this is a squeal then Batgirl is already oracle and unless they gone the new 52 route she's still crippled, but Nightwing and Robin maybe.

I just want Jason Todd.

Yeah I remembered that after I posted. New 52 has me all screwed up. They might go the other way altogether and have one of the other Batgirls or maybe even Batwoman.

Jason Todd would be great. It'd be much more interesting if he was an enemy in the game though. His boss fight could be fantastic.

Zero-Cool · 04-03-2014 8:26pm

Thanks for the title change mysterious mod

Yeah like someone said previously, scarecrow is probably a front as the main villain, would be great to have jason todd pulling the strings, would be a very personal battle and almost back up the father to son theme of the trailer. Will be fun dissecting that trailer for easter eggs as well.

Robert ninja · 04-03-2014 9:26pm

Sweet. I wonder what they'll be able to do now that they're not limited by 512mb of ram. I may be a minority but I love the fighting in these games the most, so if they can make it more in-depth that would be brilliant. I don't mind the combo system but I would like for it to take a step-down from that kind of direction and focus more on variation of enemies - the Kung Fu dudes in Arkham Origins were a unique way to get real one-on-one with a criminal instead of it just being you press one button and they're on the floor. Enemies making more than one swing at you is seriously needed, nobody goes in for just one right hook, they immediately swing with their next arm after it even if you blocked the first attack. Having to block both strikes and then maybe evade from being locked-down else you run the risk of not being able to counter other attackers. I don't care how good Batman is at fighting there's only so many people he can fight in a single spot before needing to reposition or something similar.

Good to see the long-eared mask back.

A Neurotic · 04-03-2014 10:03pm

calex71 wrote: »

.... and please no crappy multiplayer !!!!!

Am I the only one who loved the multiplayer in Origins? Granted, getting a game running could take a seriously long time, which could be really frustrating, but I found the gameplay so good that I put up with it. I was hooked on it for a couple of weeks. It's the only online multiplayer I've ever really gotten into.

Would love to see a smoother multiplayer in the new game, not that I have a PS4 to play it on

Zero-Cool · 04-03-2014 10:05pm

I never even played the MP in origins. Really hope its not in this one so they can focus 100 on the single player, also I want the platinum trophy!

CiDeRmAn · 04-03-2014 10:17pm

I am disappointed it's for next gen only and, tbh, I'll be surprised if the need is reflected in the finished game.

Josey Wales · 04-03-2014 10:35pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I am disappointed it's for next gen only and, tbh, I'll be surprised if the need is reflected in the finished game.

Well it sounds like it will be reflected if quotes like this are true.

Batmobile is designed to be "the best car in any game ever", it takes up around 160mb of memory in game and will just about fit in an Xbox 360 (if that was the whole game). There are hundreds of thousands of polygons, as well as textures and shaders used on it

Source

Zero-Cool · 04-03-2014 10:55pm

Josey Wales wrote: »

Well it sounds like it will be reflected if quotes like this are true.

Source

Wow there are some amazing details in that link. So the 'Arkham Knight' is the villain And is described as a militaristic batman. I'm calling it Jason Todd!

A Neurotic · 04-03-2014 11:09pm

Azrael!

Varik · 05-03-2014 2:07am

I liked the MP in Origins but it didn't work and games would constantly end with everyone getting kicked.

I only need some more wins to finish all the trophies for it, and at some point to finish my last play-through.

Skerries · 05-03-2014 10:07am

No MP and Kevin Conroy confirmed
http://kotaku.com/batman-arkham-knight-wont-have-multiplayer-will-hav-1536502499

Mr Freeze · 05-03-2014 10:14am

Kevin Conroy.

Delighted with that!

No MP, I wonder had they planned to have it, but since barely anybody played the MP in Origins, did they ditch it?

chickenboy · 05-03-2014 10:46am

Imgur album of the gameinformer piece on the new game:

http://imgur.com/a/vS9jt

Mr Freeze · 05-03-2014 10:49am

Villain is definitely has to be Jason Todd!

Looks The Riddler is back too, sadly.

chickenboy · 05-03-2014 10:57am

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Villain is definitely has to be Jason Todd!

Looks The Riddler is back too, sadly.

Riddler, Two-face, and Penguin have all been confirmed I think. It seems the Riddler is now setting driving challenges, which could be......interesting!

The gameinformer piece claims the main villan, or at least the Arkham Knight, is a completely new character.

Mr Freeze · 05-03-2014 11:21am

chickenboy wrote: »

The gameinformer piece claims the main villan, or at least the Arkham Knight, is a completely new character.

That's a front I would say, a new character would be of no interest really to Batman fans.

The pic of the Arkham Knight reminded me instantly of Jason Todd as Batman.

maximoose · 05-03-2014 11:22am

chickenboy wrote: »

Imgur album of the gameinformer piece on the new game:

http://imgur.com/a/vS9jt

Gotham looks GREAT

Zero-Cool · 05-03-2014 11:41am

Arkham Knight. Even though he is a 'brand new character' they could still have Jason Todd behind the mask.

Mitch Connor · 05-03-2014 11:47am

Not liking the sound of the batmobile sections - or linked Riddler stuff. Sounds very poor imo. Batmobile destroying anything it touches, being summonable at any point at the touch of a button, and these racing sections... just not liking the sound of it.

Mr Freeze · 05-03-2014 11:51am

The Riddler racing sections do sound crap!

chickenboy · 05-03-2014 11:53am

Mr Freeze wrote: »

That's a front I would say, a new character would be of no interest really to Batman fans.

The pic of the Arkham Knight reminded me instantly of Jason Todd as Batman.

Possibly, although the fact that he hasn't been introduced in the games may cause a problem.

Another alternative is that it's Jean-Paul Valley; he did appear in Arkham City, but getting him from Azreal to evil-batman might be a bit of a stretch!

Mr Freeze · 05-03-2014 12:06pm

chickenboy wrote: »

Possibly, although the fact that he hasn't been introduced in the games may cause a problem.

Another alternative is that it's Jean-Paul Valley; he did appear in Arkham City, but getting him from Azreal to evil-batman might be a bit of a stretch!

I'd say neither would be a problem, its a game plot after all, they can play fairly loose with the source material.

I'd be more worried about how they might shoe horn in The Joker again, as he was the main focus for the 3 past games, will they be brave enough to exclude him. Having him appear in Scarecrow scenes is fine, but bringing him back to life, not so much.

chickenboy · 05-03-2014 12:26pm

Mr Freeze wrote: »

I'd say neither would be a problem, its a game plot after all, they can play fairly loose with the source material.

I'd be more worried about how they might shoe horn in The Joker again, as he was the main focus for the 3 past games, will they be brave enough to exclude him. Having him appear in Scarecrow scenes is fine, but bringing him back to life, not so much.

Hopefully the Joker is gone completely; some mentions by Harley will be fine, but a reappearance would just sully the end of Arkham City.

The return of the Scarecrow should be good though, his portions in Asylum were amazing, legitimately creepy.

gizmo · 05-03-2014 12:50pm

chickenboy wrote: »

Possibly, although the fact that he hasn't been introduced in the games may cause a problem.

Another alternative is that it's Jean-Paul Valley; he did appear in Arkham City, but getting him from Azreal to evil-batman might be a bit of a stretch!

The Azrael portrayed in Arkham City wasn't Valley though, it was a mix of the two iterations of the character from canon. Regardless, if Geoff Johns is behind the new character then sign me up.

From a technical point of view I'm excited to see what they can do with their engine, specifically in the context of gameplay, by focusing on next-gen platforms. I'd wager that we won't see a massive leap in visual quality along the lines of a fully Unreal 4 powered title but rather we'll see more design changes which reflect the lack of last gen hardware constraints. The comments by Rocksteady's combat programmer bode pretty well at least

murphyebass · 05-03-2014 1:15pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4McYzWez7_I

The batmobile section on the Amstrad back in the day for anyone as old as myself who remember it.

Kinda Marmite. Personally I loved that section. That was a great game actually in hindsight. That and Robocop back in the day so many hours lost.

Mickeroo · 05-03-2014 2:21pm

gizmo wrote: »

The Azrael portrayed in Arkham City wasn't Valley though, it was a mix of the two iterations of the character from canon. Regardless, if Geoff Johns is behind the new character then sign me up.

From a technical point of view I'm excited to see what they can do with their engine, specifically in the context of gameplay, by focusing on next-gen platforms. I'd wager that we won't see a massive leap in visual quality along the lines of a fully Unreal 4 powered title but rather we'll see more design changes which reflect the lack of last gen hardware constraints. The comments by Rocksteady's combat programmer bode pretty well at least

I'm sure Azreal will have to be involved somehow, his whole side quest in City seemed to be about setting up something for the sequel.

gizmo · 05-03-2014 2:56pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

I'm sure Azreal will have to be involved somehow, his whole side quest in City seemed to be about setting up something for the sequel.

Oh I'd say he's a reasonable bet at least, what I meant was that not basing him on one of the existing incarnations of Azrael may give Johns and co the freedom to adapt him to fit the Arkham Knight role.

Hell, even he's not the titular character, I'm sure he'll feature in the game due to his appearance in City. The news on Hush making a similar appearance adds credence to that also.

Mr Freeze · 05-03-2014 3:06pm

Hush having a big role should be good.

Given that Scarecrow is in it, Hush almost definitely, and the potential of Jason Todd, they could really go for breaking Batman mentally as well as physically storyline.

And as its Rocksteadys last Batman game (Origins might spawn its own sequels), it would be cool to see Batman die or retire at the end of this game, that would pack a serious punch.

maximoose · 05-03-2014 3:07pm

Is that "Batman: Hush" fb page that teased the news about Hush in any way credible though? Anywhere else mentioned it?

It just looks like a fan made page for the comic.

Sarky · 05-03-2014 3:08pm

Yay, Riddler's back! This means we can complete the game while still only getting a 30% completion rate because Riddler!

Star Lord · 05-03-2014 3:08pm

My money would be more on it being Hush...

Mr Freeze · 05-03-2014 3:08pm

maximoose wrote: »

Is that "Batman: Hush" fb page that teased the news about Hush in any way credible though? Anywhere else mentioned it?

It just looks like a fan made page for the comic.

I'd say they are just giving a good guess, as Hush was set up in AC.

05-03-2014 3:32pm

Considering what he did with Earth One I expect that the game will feature a host of familiar faces only drastically altered. I imagine that Arkham Knight will be a new tale on Red Hood or Azazel and hope would live to see the Alfred of Earth One pop up

senordingdong · 05-03-2014 5:47pm

I would welcome Scarecrow as the main villian but I see it being a red herring like every other we've had with the past two games.

Also, since he wears a mask I'm sure there will be a reveal where he turns out to be the joker the whole time.