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Barnwell, Hansfield, near Ongar, Dublin 15

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  • #802
    robsumbo
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭robsumbo


    Has anybody heard anything about the mcgarrell group,as they seemly bought some land in the estate ,which is unfinised.


  • #803
    root69
    Registered Users Posts: 138 ✭✭root69


    Hi,
    any knows if there are new developments in Hansfield?

    I have been told to look at Manor Park (http://www.manorpark.ie/), but their contact do not seems to work.

    Thank you


  • #804
    ongarboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    root69 wrote: »
    Hi,
    any knows if there are new developments in Hansfield?

    I have been told to look at Manor Park (http://www.manorpark.ie/), but their contact do not seems to work.

    Thank you


    I use Hansfield Station every day and noticed a new planning notice recently on the railings on the way up requesting extension of the duration of planning for the development of Hansfield (to include 100s of apartments/houses/retail etc) so maybe they plan to develop in the near future?

    I'd just be happy if they did up the boarded up ghost houses remaining in Barnwell and offer them for sale. I suspect the so called shortage of housing in Dublin they are now talking about means it is somewhat economical to start releasing these homes to the market again?


  • #805
    root69
    Registered Users Posts: 138 ✭✭root69


    ongarboy wrote: »
    I use Hansfield Station every day and noticed a new planning notice recently on the railings on the way up requesting extension of the duration of planning for the development of Hansfield (to include 100s of apartments/houses/retail etc) so maybe they plan to develop in the near future?

    I'd just be happy if they did up the boarded up ghost houses remaining in Barnwell and offer them for sale. I suspect the so called shortage of housing in Dublin they are now talking about means it is somewhat economical to start releasing these homes to the market again?

    The shortage of housing is present and sure is an interesting factor. But new homes means the builders need funding to progress. If they dont get it from the banks then they need to generate revenue from building, which their not doing it because of lack of money.. kind of a cycle.

    So i think the shortage will be slowly answered by homeowners that want to sell their properties for whatever the reasons... This will create dynamic on the market and support the banks be reducing their losses. (whether is by homeowners repaying their mortgages or new owners requesting for loans). This will make banks more comfortable to than land for investment (builders), and this initiates the new home availability..

    This is just a though!! I am no expert.


  • #806
    agmamar
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭agmamar


    Hi
    Anyone knows what a guide price will be for the new houses at Barnwell?


  • #807
    root69
    Registered Users Posts: 138 ✭✭root69


    agmamar wrote: »
    Hi
    Anyone knows what a guide price will be for the new houses at Barnwell?

    **I have edited this post** Information I provided is incorrect.


  • #808
    ongarboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    I see the new school to the west of Barnwell is really starting to take shape however I feel sorry for the row of houses immediately to the east of it. The school building (3 storeys) really overshadows them and blocks any evening sunlight. I wonder did the house buyers there know that this was going to be built on their doorstep and be so bulky and overshadowing?


  • #809
    oblivious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭oblivious


    ongarboy wrote: »
    I wonder did the house buyers there know that this was going to be built on their doorstep and be so bulky and overshadowing?


    It was on the plans for the area, not sure if the size was included, I was told of it in 2006. Residents of Ongar gave plenty of warning to what was likely coming in Feb 2008.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055234146


  • #810
    moonfish
    Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭moonfish


    Who is the main contact for residents association ...need to contact them urgently


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  • #811
    Finglas Incubus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭Finglas Incubus


    moonfish wrote: »
    Who is the main contact for residents association ...need to contact them urgently

    Try Twitter if you're stuck:

    https://twitter.com/barnwellrc


  • #812
    marksquirt
    Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭marksquirt


    ongarboy wrote: »
    I use Hansfield Station every day and noticed a new planning notice recently on the railings on the way up requesting extension of the duration of planning for the development of Hansfield (to include 100s of apartments/houses/retail etc) so maybe they plan to develop in the near future?

    I'd just be happy if they did up the boarded up ghost houses remaining in Barnwell and offer them for sale. I suspect the so called shortage of housing in Dublin they are now talking about means it is somewhat economical to start releasing these homes to the market again?

    Sorry it's been sometime since I've been on the forum!

    For anyone with an interest and by way of an update please note that the lands surrounding Barnwell and the unfinished areas within the estate have been purchase by McGarrell Reilly. They applied and were successful in changing the planning permission for the housing types which originally formed part of the SDZ. House Types to be built are 3 & 4 bedroom houses with private parking ample enough for 2 cars per house. No house price or guide price have been set as yet. House plans etc. are available on the Fingal Co.Co. planning section.

    The developer is already on site and is obviously keen to get building houses! As a condition of and part of the sale however the current estate must be completed and these are the first of the works for completion.

    On another note, and most will have visibly seen, the works on the primary school are fast tracking and will be on line for occupation at the end of August of this year. An Educate Together secondary school is also opening this year and will be housed on the 3rd Floor of the Primary School whilst they await their new school to be built.

    I hope the above sheds some light for anyone that is wondering what's going on over this side recently. :D


  • #813
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Do you know if the original SDZ rules will apply regarding occupancy and certain local amenities will still apply?


  • #814
    ongarboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    Thanks for that update, Marksquirt! - I pass it every day on the way to the station and was wondering what was going on. I think family type homes are best for attracting more permanent residents and give more neighbourhood pride to an area.

    I'm sure the current nearby residents in Hansfield will be delighted to see those eyesore boarded up units being put to use too as well as proper direct pedestrian access to the station !

    For those who are interested - details of the appliction below which was only granted permission last week! 146 houses in total! Planning Reference FW14A/0021


    http://www.fingal.ie/planning-and-buildings/apply-or-search-for-a-planning-application/search-planning-applications-online/searchplanningapplicationsonline/


  • #815
    dubdec99
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭dubdec99


    Can anyone recommend a reputable babysitter in the area or has anyone heard of a local babysitting service?


  • #816
    nicnac
    Registered Users Posts: 247 ✭✭nicnac


    Anyone know what company are responsible for the traffic jam at the Barnswell roundabout?


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  • #817
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    nicnac wrote: »
    Anyone know what company are responsible for the traffic jam at the Barnswell roundabout?

    The company isnt really relevant. Roadworks on the public road are subject to approval and supervision from the Council. If there is a particular problem with the works at the Barnswell roundabout, get onto the Roads and Travel Dept in Fingal or fire off a few emails to the shiny new Councillors.

    http://www.fingalcoco.ie/your-council/your-local-councillors/

    (Mulhuddart group)


  • #818
    Tricksie
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭Tricksie


    Just wondering has anyone had a debt collectors letter for management fees? Had not been paying as the estate was in such a mess. Can't believe we are expected to pay and the estate the way it is. We can't sell houses in this estate until it's finished who would buy them?unless for half the price..


  • #819
    TheBandicoot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭TheBandicoot


    Well if no one is paying the fees because the estate is in a mess, how will it improve?


  • #820
    Drop the Ball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭Drop the Ball


    I agree with the last poster, but sometimes you are damned if you do & damned if you don't. You are contractually obliged to pay your management fees and the management company have the right to presue any unpaid fees through the legal route if needed.


  • #821
    nicnac
    Registered Users Posts: 247 ✭✭nicnac


    Tricksie wrote: »
    Just wondering has anyone had a debt collectors letter for management fees? Had not been paying as the estate was in such a mess. Can't believe we are expected to pay and the estate the way it is. We can't sell houses in this estate until it's finished who would buy them?unless for half the price..

    Management fees for Barnswell ... I actually think that area has improved a LOT over the last few years. I wouldn't consider it as bad as Summerseat with regard to being unfinished.

    Anyone who bought in 2007/2008 is unable to sell without a massive loss , not just Barnswell.


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  • #822
    oblivious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭oblivious


    Drop the Ball wrote: »
    I agree with the last poster, but sometimes you are damned if you do & damned if you don't. You are contractually obliged to pay your management fees and the management company have the right to presue any unpaid fees through the legal route if needed.

    You obliged to have a management company to look after the area. You can dissolve the current and set up you own with you own directors.


  • #823
    Drop the Ball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭Drop the Ball


    oblivious wrote: »
    You obliged to have a management company to look after the area. You can dissolve the current and set up you own with you own directors.


    You cannot dissolve the Management company, as a property owner you are a member of the management company. The management company can remove and replace the management agency if it chooses to do so.

    There is a big difference between the Management Company & Management Agency.


  • #824
    oblivious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭oblivious


    Drop the Ball wrote: »
    You cannot dissolve the Management company, as a property owner you are a member of the management company. The management company can remove and replace the management agency if it chooses to do so.

    There is a big difference between the Management Company & Management Agency.


    Yes sorry
    But you can become a directors or the directors of the company (elections at the AGM, getting an AGM maybe difficult ) and manage the estate as a community,


  • #825
    Drop the Ball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭Drop the Ball


    oblivious wrote: »
    Yes sorry
    But you can become a directors or the directors of the company (elections at the AGM, getting an AGM maybe difficult ) and manage the estate as a community,

    Getting residents elected as directors is the best way for residents to influence how the estate and budgets are managed. If the developer has not finished or handed over the estate, they might make it difficult to get residents elected as directors.


  • #826
    oblivious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭oblivious


    Drop the Ball wrote: »
    Getting residents elected as directors is the best way for residents to influence how the estate and budgets are managed. If the developer has not finished or handed over the estate, they might make it difficult to get residents elected as directors.

    Could be a good time, Joan Burton is leader of labour and there will be an election in 18 months or less. Also the train station was finished off with COCO money I believe and not for sales within the estate so there maybe leeway with the developers


  • #827
    DoozerT6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭DoozerT6


    Does anybody know what is happening at the big roundabout where the roadworks are going on? The whole roundabout has been dug up and there is a massive hole in the road. Are they turning it into a junction with lights, etc to control the traffic the new school will bring, or just re-jigging the roundabout?


  • #828
    nicnac
    Registered Users Posts: 247 ✭✭nicnac


    DoozerT6 wrote: »
    Does anybody know what is happening at the big roundabout where the roadworks are going on? The whole roundabout has been dug up and there is a massive hole in the road. Are they turning it into a junction with lights, etc to control the traffic the new school will bring, or just re-jigging the roundabout?

    Looks like the Tommy Knockers by Stephen King! Drove past this morning and they have made progress since yesterday. The hole has something big and yellow - could be electric transformer, something for drainage, septic tank tank


  • #829
    Tricksie
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭Tricksie


    TheBandicoot wrote: »
    Well if no one is paying the fees because the estate is in a mess, how will it improve?

    Well I was paying them for first few years but didn't see much improvement. I have tended to shrubs outside house as management company don't. They seem to cut the grass that's it. Maybe different for the apartments.


  • #830
    ongarboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    They are introducing permit parking across the way in Ongar with permits being issued only to paid up management fee residents meaning those who haven't paid risk their cars getting clamped. It was felt it would be the only way to force owners to cough up. As Ongar is more communal parking, this is a big deal - not sure if most homes in Barnwell have their own private parking space/driveway and whether this would be an option?


  • #831
    ongarboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    They seem to be making steady progress on a new access route to the Hansfield train station from the back of Barnwell. Footpaths etc have been built/ tarmacadamed etc. I imagine this is to facilitate an alternative access to the new Educate Together school. Is the school due to open in September? The building itself looks fairly finished viewing it from a distance.

    For anyone walking to the station from Barnwell, it should cut their walking time by more than half!


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  • #832
    ongarite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,279 ✭✭✭ongarite


    ongarboy wrote: »
    They are introducing permit parking across the way in Ongar with permits being issued only to paid up management fee residents meaning those who haven't paid risk their cars getting clamped. It was felt it would be the only way to force owners to cough up. As Ongar is more communal parking, this is a big deal - not sure if most homes in Barnwell have their own private parking space/driveway and whether this would be an option?
    Isn't the permit parking and clamping going to be only in the older part of Ongar like Delhurst and Stralem?
    This part of Ongar is run by a different management agent OWM than the Village part?

    What's to stop non-paying residents from parking there so they don't get clamped?


  • #833
    ongarboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    Yes, it's only a certain area of Ongar. Apparently an earlier area already had it enforced prompting some to park in the newly zoned area. When this area gets zoned on Aug 1st, I expect you're correct that the dodgers will park somewhere else that is not zoned. I'm sure if that becomes a problem, you could see more widespread permit zones? Eventually, I would think it will become unfeasible to park increasing distances from your home though.


  • #834
    Twizzler
    Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭Twizzler


    ongarite wrote: »
    Isn't the permit parking and clamping going to be only in the older part of Ongar like Delhurst and Stralem?
    This part of Ongar is run by a different management agent OWM than the Village part?

    What's to stop non-paying residents from parking there so they don't get clamped?

    I really hope this won't be feasible, as ongarboy has mentioned "(Eventually, I would think it will become unfeasible to park increasing distances from your home though.") As a resident of the village, beside the businesses, it's hard enough to get parking as it is when we have no residents' parking permits with shoppers taking the communal parking all day and evening. There is also a car repair business being run from an apartment in The Paddocks, it would seem, and that takes up a good 3-4 spaces on a rotating basis. Parking in the village is one hell of a mess as it stands already.


  • #835
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Twizzler wrote: »
    There is also a car repair business being run from an apartment in The Paddocks, it would seem, and that takes up a good 3-4 spaces on a rotating basis.

    You don't have to put up with that, its a planning violation as well as the obvious nuisance and disturbance. The management company might be loathe to tackle it but a quiet report to the Planning Enforcement section in Fingal CoCo and to Revenue might be in order.


  • #836
    ongarboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    Access road to Barnwell now open from the Hansfield Train station road. Not sure if this is just temporary to facilitate a diversion as the main road into Barnwell is closed for a few weeks due to the works going around the roundabout ...that disappeared!!...into Barnwell.

    Anyone know what they are actually doing there - seems like something major??


  • #837
    TheBandicoot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭TheBandicoot


    My understanding is the removal of the roundabout is permanent and the original access road into Barnwell will now only be access for the schools- all Barnwell traffic goes out the train station road. Roundabout is probably being replaced with a T-junction with traffic lights. This is just hearsay though


  • #838
    billie1b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,816 ✭✭✭billie1b


    ongarboy wrote: »
    Access road to Barnwell now open from the Hansfield Train station road. Not sure if this is just temporary to facilitate a diversion as the main road into Barnwell is closed for a few weeks due to the works going around the roundabout ...that disappeared!!...into Barnwell.

    Anyone know what they are actually doing there - seems like something major??

    I was thinking that's where the main sewerage artery is that they needed to connect the school to, could be totally wrong though


  • #839
    ongarboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    It looks like the roundabout has been relaid so the traffic lights theory is a non runner.

    I read elsewhere that the 146 homes that Fingal Co Co granted permission to Hansfield Investments a while back has been appealed to An Bord Pleanala by a 3rd party objector with a decision due in November. I wonder what the motivation behind that objection is? The land in question is barren wasteland at the moment and suitable densities should be encouraged near public transport nodes (like Hansfield station) as well as providing more housing stock to address the shortage so I don't understand the logic of an objection in this particular location.


  • #840
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    ongarboy wrote: »
    It looks like the roundabout has been relaid so the traffic lights theory is a non runner.

    I read elsewhere that the 146 homes that Fingal Co Co granted permission to Hansfield Investments a while back has been appealed to An Bord Pleanala by a 3rd party objector with a decision due in November. I wonder what the motivation behind that objection is? The land in question is barren wasteland at the moment and suitable densities should be encouraged near public transport nodes (like Hansfield station) as well as providing more housing stock to address the shortage so I don't understand the logic of an objection in this particular location.

    I can't see the details of the appeal, but it was lodged by the same person who lodged a complaint re the trough traffic on Barnwell Crescent. Changes to the layout were proposed to turn it into a through road so I'd say that's the reason for the complaint.


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  • #841
    ongarboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    Just reading an article below about access being blocked to Barnwell Hansfield. Is this article out of date now that the new access road via the Train Station road is now open and lined/tarmacadamed or is this now the sole access to the area which residents are concerned with?

    http://www.gazettegroup.com/news/building-work-causes-estate-parking-issues/


  • #842
    billie1b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,816 ✭✭✭billie1b


    ongarboy wrote: »
    Just reading an article below about access being blocked to Barnwell Hansfield. Is this article out of date now that the new access road via the Train Station road is now open and lined/tarmacadamed or is this now the sole access to the area which residents are concerned with?

    http://www.gazettegroup.com/news/building-work-causes-estate-parking-issues/

    A friend of mine who lives in there was telling me that the original entrance to the estate (where the fm104 house is) is being closed and you will only be able to access the school from the roundabout and walking through the estate. All cars access the estate from the train station entrance now. Dunno if this is what you may be talking about


  • #843
    ongarboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    Seems crazy that the brand new road around the new school cannot be used as an alternative access route for Hansfield residents as it has been completed and street lit. Does anyone know the reason why it's blocked off?

    Secondly, what is being built behind the large white hoarding behind the Educate Together school? More houses or something else?

    Finally, the first of the new builds off the roundabout to the station are coming along nicelyl


  • #844
    December2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    billie1b wrote: »
    ......(where the fm104 house is) ......

    What's the FM104 house?


  • #845
    nicnac
    Registered Users Posts: 247 ✭✭nicnac


    The new build down by the station road is very close to the unsold houses behind it. I wonder if they intend to knock the ones that have been sitting empty. They are far too close


  • #846
    daymobrew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭daymobrew


    ongarboy wrote: »
    Secondly, what is being built behind the large white hoarding behind the Educate Together school? More houses or something else?
    Is it Hansfield Educate Together Secondary School?
    The primary school is in the top right of the pic on the web site.


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  • #847
    fletch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,412 ✭✭✭fletch


    December2012 wrote: »
    What's the FM104 house?
    fm104 had a competition a few years ago (maybe 2008) to win a house in barnswell.
    http://www.fm104.ie/Galleries/Win-a-Dublin-Showhouse-final


  • #848
    crazzzyyy
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭crazzzyyy


    Does anybody has opinion about ET school and Benedict one? Please help me to pick school 4 my litlle one :)


  • #849
    December2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    There are two educate together schools - one in Barnwell, one in Ongar (that's called Castaheaney educate together).

    Have a look at their websites http://stbenedictsongar.ie

    http://www.castaheanyetns.ie

    http://hansfieldetns.com

    What kind of ethos do you want for your child? Religious or non religious?


  • #850
    crazzzyyy
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭crazzzyyy


    Id say even in ET You can have extra religion lesson... just want to know opinion about atmosphere, level of education etc...id say many peoople from here have kids there.


  • #851
    ongarboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    nicnac wrote: »
    The new build down by the station road is very close to the unsold houses behind it. I wonder if they intend to knock the ones that have been sitting empty. They are far too close

    I noticed that too. It would seem very costly and wasteful to demolish houses that were built but then again, it's different builders involved with the new builds...not sure what their ownership is of the existing homes ( I understand the previous builder (Menolly or Manor Park Homes????) went bust?). Then again, the way some houses/apartments in Ongar Park were built on top of or perpendicular to eachother is really unsightly too and it got the planning go ahead.


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