Why I'm getting sick of Android and considering iPhone!

iwo wrote: »

You obviously have problems with understandin / analysing while reading.
Also I said " some clowns..." not "all" so quote me properly and don't change it to suit your point. This is android forum and im here for reason - surprise, surprise I'm Android user! Yes, I am.... you just came and started yapping and moaning about nothing and everything, like 5 years old kid.
I gave facts and real figures which are good arguments.

I wasn't quoting you directly. I was referring to all of the people you called clowns, not all of the iPhone owners.

Pray tell, what have I misunderstood in your posts? If I failed to grasp anything you have posted, I will gladly apologise. I thought i got the general gist of android good, iphone bad failry clearly though.

PS - I must have missed those figures you quoted. Similarly the facts.

Wait i see it - "Android just hammers other systems and I don't care why, this is just a fact".

Sorry, I misconstrued that as an opinion at first.

I posted what I thought were well reasoned and specific complaints about android. I wasn't yapping, I was stating an opinion (you know, those things were all meant to be allowed to have).

I could equally do a post on why i think android is great. or why iOS is limited and overly simplified. I wanted to get peoples feedback on those actual issues. I have acknowledged that they both have limitations. I haven't tried to present subjective opinions as gospel, or to name call users of other phones (they are phones after all). The only thing i took issue with is people calling me a technotard because i dared to say i like what itunes has to offer, or people calling people sheep just for picking a phone.

Very few people have actually provided any sort of a constructive response to my grievances (other than the rooting, which again, I accept was my problem, and it wasn't really what i had issue with). I would welcome some to be honest. I'm still not really sure if i am keeping the iphone, and would be nice to hear some constructive criticism of it.

By the way, I am/was an android user myself, so i have as much right to post or comment on the system as you.

iwo wrote: »

I'm actually surprised how gentle and patient people are tbh... this was pointless but valuable discussion until Mr floggg came back with another esey...who from what I can see take this iPhonevsandroid issue very personally and emotionally.
Just take it easy man and don't scream to whole world.
Also, I'm wondering if you got answer for your question?

What? I don't take this personally at all. Its a phone. Its even less important than an English soccer team. I really couldn't care less at the end of the day.

Some people do just get apple because of reputation, yes. But thats because of a reputation of quality. most people dont know or care about phones all that much, so they go with what they have heard to be high end and good quality.

PogMoThoin wrote: »

See, thats the thing. What starts out being a high end good quality product usually ends up being a mid end average product by the 5th iteration, other products available on the market bypass them with more modern tech and better features. This is what Apple do.

I agree that the apple devices are not the most high end spec wise. I won't comment on macs as I have no knowledge of them.

I imagine to a certain extent they do hold back on certain features so they can add them in a year to sell more phones. But I don't think that's the sole reason .

For one, I'm sure there is a cost element - it keeps the phone somewhat reasonable (though I know apples margins are more than healthy).

Secondly, i imagine they do not include something until they know it works well (excepting antennas of course). If you contrast it to the Xoom which shipped without SD or flash support. Similarly the play book which has patchy software and lacks certain key features out of the box.

I appreciate that some people prefer to put up with bugs and software upgrades if it means ultimately having more flexibility. Others prefer things to just work out of the box. It's a choice and to each their own.

Whether intended by apple or not, the major upside to their incremental upgrades is that a year old device isn't left behind with software updates or apps compatibility. I know buying an iPhone 4 that I can still do most of what the iPhone 5 or six can do. It's a comfort buying an expensiv piece of kit. With android however, sometimes your only choice in terms of getting updates is rooting and XDA.

Also, it's not liike other companies don't put out outdated tech in supposedly flagship phones. Take htc for example . The desire s will sell a lot of phones, including to people who both the original. But it's nearly the same phone in a new case. Samsung as still releasing new galaxy s variants including the flagship android phone, the nexus s, when dual core was already here.

And at least apple only release iPhones once a year. The desire hd was released before Xmas and already it's being upgrade with the htc sensation after just over 6 months. At least apple wait the duration of a contract. I would be mighty sick if I got sensation only to see a newer one out at Xmas!

For the record, I don't really have an issue with any of them doing that. I think you need to buy the phone on it's Current features only and take anything after that as a bonus. The phone manufacturers are there to make money, and as long as people buy it, they will churn them out. I think it's more an issuer for the consumer than th company. If you insist on having the newest be prepared to pay a premium .

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Other manufacturers like Htc and Samsung offer many choices all the way from low end to high. The Desire S isn't Htc's flagship either, nor is it aimed that way, its just another choice. Their new flagship is the Sensation which is getting a dual core. Samsung don't sell the Nexus S, its made to order for Google and their new flagship, the Galaxy S 2 is getting a dual core. Apple make one device, no choice, it should be a high end device to be on par with the Sensation or Galaxy S but they're choosing to opt for a cpu 20% slower than their competitors for the iphone 5 knowing people will buy it anyway. This is iteration 5, where they have the market

Again, each to their own. There are plenty of phones out there, and people can choose which they want. If apple feel their best business model is to put out one model a year only, then thats up to them. That said, the have nearly a third or a quarter of the smart phone market with that one model, so they ain't doing too bad.

To be honest though, their business model isn't too dissimilar from HTC's at the minute. HTC have been slow to the dual core party because they prefer to work on UI tweaks and Sense over hardware. E.g. they are foregoing honeycomb on the Flyer in favour of a really well implemented sense tablet experience. The feel their added value and brand differentiation is in software, not hardware, much like apple.

And i will say, the htc software is generally very well implemented. people who like speed, customisation etc may not like sense, but the vast majority of people do. If it wasn't for their internal memory limitations, i might have waited for the sensation instead of iphone.

Others like motorola go for hardware over software, but thats why you end up with the lukewarm reviews for the xoom over the ipad. Sure, the xoom is more capable device, but they rushed it out to market instead of maximising its potential.

jester77 wrote: »

I'm surrounded by the same devices here as well and it's fairly easy to see why the Android market has problems and why developers shy away from releasing for it. The range of devices are so broad and varied and it leaves you with the problem - do I aim to support all devices or do I aim for a better app that can take advantage of the more powerful handsets? The cheaper less powerful handsets are selling well so you can not just ignore them. Most of the bad reviews I've seen for our app come from users on less powerful devices. It's not easy, whereas with the iphone you don't have this problem.

As for the OS's, they are both great OS's and it is down to personal taste and how you use your phone. I don't get all this arguing over one is better than the other. Right now I use an iPhone and I am happy using it. I used to be big into customising my phone and owned winmo phones before the ios and android appeared and I have had handsets with both of these as well. But right now I just want to take my phone out and use it, previously I was spending more time configuring, messing around with the OS and always looking for the next thing to modify on my phone, than actually using the phone. If you are into configing and modding then Android wins easily whereas if you just want to pick up and use it then ios is a better choice.

The one thing that annoys me about Android is the UI, maybe this will get sorted out from honeycomb onwards. Having to wait for the manufacturer to update their UI so that you can get the latest version of the OS is just wrong. You should be able to download it independently and switch off the UI. Hope that gets taken care of.

I agree entirely. Again, I never said i hated Android, or that it wasn't a great OS - as i said, i was very happy with it for the past year or so. But like you, I'm not just want to take my phone out and use it, play a few games. I'm sure after a year on iOS i'll look for an android to play with and tweak

Actually, if webOS goes mainstream in terms of apps, i'll probably jump all over that for a while!

iwo wrote: »

Will you ever stop? Geezus... what do u want to achieve by producing more and more posts?
I'm wondering so much , please tell me what is your "issue" ??
And finally why don't you move to iPhone forum and "rape" others people minds? With Regards, Iwo

Why do you keep coming back if you're so sick of the topic?

I started the post, I think I'm entitled to comment on responses. I've responded to specific points raised. I think I've generally tried to be well reasoned.

If you don't like people having an opinion which differs to yours, I would suggest avoiding the the internet. You might bump into one or two who disagree with you...

seanybiker wrote: »

So what phone you gonna get. Stick with android or what?

Still not sure. As I've said, both have strengths and weaknesses. Like the iOS app store, itunes integration, and ease of use, though equally like the android flexibility, customisation, googles apps integration, widgets etc.

Ultimately both good systems with specific strengths and weaknesses.

Might keep the iPhone, just because of I've had Android for a year now, change might be nice. And it plays nicer with my iPad