Fee Paying Schools

Leon11 wrote: »

Every school faces the same problems however in private schools there is greater control and problems that arise are dealt with very quickly. It was an eye opener to me as some of the things that students in my own school done a daily basis were instantly reported and corrected in private schools.

To be honest, I think that public schools should have more power to suspend and expel persistant troublemakers, or at the very least to temporarily isolate them from the students who actually want to learn and whose education is being disrupted.

In some cases, the parent may be unwilling to admit that their child is at fault and will raise a stink if the school attempts to suspend them so the school needs to have the backing of the State and their board of management to be able to say "this behaviour is unacceptable. As long as <Name> persists in it, he/she is not welcome at this school."

mikedragon32 wrote: »

That's as may be, however, "your" is not the correct abbreviation of "you are".

Unless of course Holly owns something called an "a south sider who", in which case you're quite right and it's terrible that her a south sider who is bored.

Damn! You're right.

*Edit* I think HollyB is a wind up...

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layke wrote: »

and stops your child from mixing with the riffraff. Honestly, i'd prefer if my kids stayed away from Jonno the car steal0r thanks very much. If that means I don't send him/her to some ****ty community school in scobelands to get educated on street life so be it.

are you actually for real????? so basicaly community schools are for 'scobes' and troublemakers?BULL****!! iv been to a community school and i know only too well what reputation my school has with the so called 'better highclass' feepaying school and it couldnt be further from the truth..id send my kids to a community school,its up to the child whether they are going to work or not.there are plenty in my school who have so much ability but just choose not to work its nothing to do with the school we have the best facilities going

It depends on the individual schools in question. A school simply being fee-paying isn't a guarantee of quality, and community schools aren't all going to be full of troublemakers. Public schools vary in quality and so do fee-paying schools and its up to parents to decide which of the schools they can send their child to is the best one for them.

If somebody lives in an area where the public schools available have poor reputations, both in terms of academic results and student behaviour, and poor facilities, then I cannot fault parents for wanting to send their child to a fee-paying school if they think that they'll get a better education there. Sending a child to a poor fee-paying school purely for the sake of sending them to a fee-paying school seems pretty daft to me, but I would definitely support a parent wanting to secure their child the best education they possibly could, whether than meant a fee-paying school or a public school.

artanevilla wrote: »

I go to a fee paying school, biggest mistake of my life.

Because of the school and its facilities, the teaching or the students, if you don't mind me asking?

JC 2K3.
Removing fee paying schools will not remove social segration. People will invariably just start going to their local schools if every school is now public. Those who live in rich, well off areas will go to school with rich, well off people. St. Michaels, for example will still be full of very well off children as the school is in Dublin 4 on Ailesbury Rd. The children would hardly be a true reflection of all the specturms of Irish societies.

Unless of course you don't think children should be allowed the benefit of living in nice, expensive areas as it wasn't them who paid for it.

colliegG wrote: »

I went to a private school. It was great and I think I got a fairly well rounded education. In terms of points, I did well in the Leaving.

My brother went to a public school and got better results than I did. (I blame the dumbing down of the leaving cert )

When I have children I'll send them to my old private school and he reckons he'll probably send his to his old public school.

A very positive reflection on both your schools. It's always - or at least almost always - a good sign when the alumni of a school would be prepared to send their own children to the school - rather like a question for an employer's reference, one I consider fantastic; "Would you hire this person again?"

janeybabe wrote: »

Ya, if I have children I'll send them to the school I went to, which was a public Irish-speaking school.

All-Irish would be my first choice too.

artanevilla wrote: »

It's the pressure, it was bad enough before I went there but the money invested has multiplied it by thousands.

surely the only pressure is applied by the parents and so u don't hate the school becuase of the school, you hate it because you feel you have to preform...

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Because he's referring to children as any other commodities someone might own that become superior the more money invested in them. He fails to see that children are people and that the standard logic of being allowed top up one's "tax investment" does not apply here.

This goes for everything not just education. It is a parents right to get the best education for their child, just like it would be if their child was sick and needed better health care. They are simply supplementing the taxes on schools they've already paid for. Fee Paying schools would not receive the same capital grants for new buildings ect. If the Govt went to the hassle of changing the constitution ect it would cost the taxpayer a bucketload more and wouldn't change anything in the way of getting more disadvantaged students to college.

It is largely down to the area imo. South Dublin and areas in Cork just for example send more students to college then say for instance North Dublin schools. Fee paying and state schools do just as well depending on the school, Colaiste Eoin/Muckross would do just as well as Rock/Gonzaga/CBC/Marys/the Loretos ect. This comes down to different attitudes I think. The Government should pour money into these neglected schools and change the mindset from hating school to enjoying it and having a good opinion of the place. Obviousely this is largely generalising about certain areas but the stats largely support this.

I got all I wanted from my education and i went to both sectors. The answer is not to put private schools down but enhance the neglected state schools.