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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭Rev Hellfire


    kiffer wrote: »
    I wonder if he lost his faith... and then took the whole "without God why would you not go on a killing spree..." line a little to seriously because of his depression ...
    He's obviously an unwell individual as born out by his subsequent actions, I must say the video comes across as a rather petty piece of work all things considered.

    Crazy people do crazy things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭OK-Cancel-Apply


    Ohh THATS the guy! Damn... I've seen him before and always thought he had some mental issues. I've spoken to him in the comments section a couple of times. I do remember that he looked to the likes of Jezuzfreek and Venomfangx for guidance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    He's obviously an unwell individual as born out by his subsequent actions, I must say the video comes across as a rather petty piece of work all things considered.

    Crazy people do crazy things.

    Yup. poor chap... years of depression take there toll. I agree that the video is petty (it was made long before his death...) but tony's account is closed now so I couldn't find the original that it was made from...
    Clearly a very conflicted individual... in hind sight it's even more obvious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭OK-Cancel-Apply


    In one video, he said that atheists are a "group of people who are mentally retarded.

    I remember that video, but instead of the word 'retarded', he actually spelled it 'Retard it'. I kid you not. And he really did mean to say 'retarded'. The irony...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭ZorbaTehZ


    AP wrote:
    Israeli official: Swine flu name offensive

    5 hours ago

    JERUSALEM (AP) — The outbreak of swine flu should be renamed "Mexican" influenza in deference to Muslim and Jewish sensitivities over pork, said an Israeli health official Monday.

    Deputy Health Minister Yakov Litzman said the reference to pigs is offensive to both religions and "we should call this Mexican flu and not swine flu," he told a news conference at a hospital in central Israel.

    Both Judaism and Islam consider pigs unclean and forbid the eating of pork products.

    Scientists are unsure where the new swine flu virus originally emerged, though it was identifed first in the United States. They say there is nothing about the virus that makes it "Mexican" and worry such a label would be stigmatizing.

    Two Israelis who recently visited Mexico have been hospitalized with symptoms of the flu. Health authorities have not yet confirmed whether they actually have the virus.

    The current strain of swine flu is thought to have originated in Mexico where more than 100 people have been killed by the disease so far.

    Laboratories in the U.S. and Canada have confirmed that of the samples tested so far, the swine flu virus in Mexico and U.S. appear to be the same.

    lolzers :rolleyes:


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,615 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    That is the stupidest thing I've heard in ages.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    I was going to say that you couldn't invent this kind of stuff, but obviously, one can.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Ted Haggard, the megachurch preacher who became the fastest ever ex-leader of the 30-million strong National Association of Evangelicals, showed up last weekend at Steven Furtick's megachurch to give a no-holes barred interview. In it, Haggard said that he was very ashamed that people got hurt in the scandal and that he didn't think it would ever happen again. Previously, Haggard had said that he couldn't place his sexuality into "stereotypical boxes" and that he was "content" with the missus:

    http://www.christianpost.com/church/General/2009/04/megachurch-hosts-no-holds-barred-interview-with-ted-haggard-27/index.html

    Furtick, meanwhile, said that Haggard's story is a "good reminder of what's at stake when you flirt with sin"(*)

    (*) Rumors suggest that Haggard got past the flirting stage pretty quickly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭darjeeling


    robindch wrote: »
    Ted Haggard [...] showed up last weekend at Steven Furtick's megachurch to give a no-holes barred interview.

    Now now Robin, the article is headlined 'no-holds-barred'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭cavedave


    Support for terror suspect torture differs among the faithful (here)

    The more often Americans go to church, the more likely they are to support the torture of suspected terrorists


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    Afghanistan's only pig placed in quarantine. Link.

    Not strictly religious, I know, but it does show a striking absence of logic and knowledge of how diseases work on the part of the Afghan leadership (or whoever decided to quarantine the poor creature).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    cavedave wrote: »
    Support for terror suspect torture differs among the faithful (here)

    The more often Americans go to church, the more likely they are to support the torture of suspected terrorists

    More likely due to political / national affiliations rather than religious ones. Be careful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭CerebralCortex


    Jakkass wrote: »
    More likely due to political / national affiliations rather than religious ones. Be careful.

    Would I not be careful if I were to say that those of a right wing nature tend to be religious too?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Torture isn't advocated in Christianity, and if it is by the pulpit that's improper conduct IMO. Infact I'd say that it should be condemned by the pulpit if anything. People like Sean Hannity saying that "I support waterboarding as a Christian" doesn't mean that it is infact advocated in the Bible or by Christ.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭ZorbaTehZ


    A mother testified that religious beliefs prevent her son from taking chemo. Doctors said he will likely die without it.

    NEW ULM, MINNESOTA

    The mother of 13-year-old Daniel Hauser testified Friday that she and her son would refuse to comply with any court order requiring the boy to resume chemotherapy for his cancer.

    "Danny clearly made up his mind. He's not doing it,'' Colleen Hauser, of Sleepy Eye, Minn., testified on the opening day of a trial over whether a court should order the boy into medical treatment against the family's wishes.

    Hauser, whose son was diagnosed in January with Hodgkin's lymphoma, said conventional treatments such as chemotherapy conflict with the family's religious beliefs. She said they prefer natural remedies such as herbs and vitamins.

    Asked where she learned about the alternative healing techniques, Hauser said, "on the Internet.''


    Daniel sat stoically through the opening part of the trial as his first oncologist, Dr. Bruce Bostrom of Children's Hospitals and Clinics in Minneapolis, testified that his chances of survival would drop to 5 percent without treatment.

    The boy left shortly afterward and never returned to the courtroom. He is scheduled to testify this morning in a closed session before the judge, after his lawyer said he was uncomfortable talking in open court. The case is expected to be finished today, and the judge said he didn't expect to issue a ruling this weekend.

    As a day of tense testimony began, dozens of family friends and supporters lined the courtroom, but the mood was subdued. At one point, a handful of natural-health advocates arrived with signs to show their support for the Hausers. But they were ordered to leave their placards outside the courthouse.

    The Hausers declined to speak to reporters after Friday's court session. But Dan Zwakman, a member of the Nemenhah religious group to which they belong, acted as the family spokesman. He argued that this is a case about religious freedom, noting that the group's motto is "our religion is our medicine."
    Absolutely terrible tbh :(

    PZ Myers piece on it also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Horrible. What sort of religion won't let a sick kid have treatment?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,615 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    A stupid deluded one. :(


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Horrible. What sort of religion won't let a sick kid have treatment?
    Well, it looks like the law has overruled the parents' idiocy even if it may be too late. Last Friday, the judge in ruled that the kid must attend doctors immediately and, if it's still likely to help, to undergo chemotherapy as soon as practicable:

    http://wcco.com/local/chemo.therapy.ordered.2.1010319.html

    The judge has also said that if the doctors recommend therapy and the family refuses permission, that the kid will be taken into custody and it will be done regardless.

    One sad one up for American justice.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    And in other news, GQ magazine (huh?) has got its hands on what it claims are briefs written by, or at the behest of, the then-Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld. They seem to have been intended for President Bush, so that he could be, er, enlightened in the run up to, and during, the invasion of Iraq.

    They're basically pictures of military nonsense liberally illustrated with biblical quotations so that the reader would know what to think. There's a selection of them available here:

    http://men.style.com/gq/features/topsecret

    If this is true -- and frankly, it looks like a big if to me -- then it seems that the military briefings which guided Bush's tremulous, uneducated finger into Iraq seem to have been little more than imbecile-level religious cartoon-books.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    robindch wrote: »

    If this is true -- and frankly, it looks like a big if to me -- then it seems that the military briefings which guided Bush's tremulous, uneducated finger into Iraq seem to have been little more than imbecile-level religious cartoon-books.

    Nah, that couldn't be true... Could it? :confused:

    No, no. Surely not. It's a little too dumbed down, even for Bush.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Nah, that couldn't be true... Could it? :confused:
    Well, no sooner posted than... the Beeb picked up the story, albeit with a certain amount of circumspection:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8056207.stm

    It's currently the most popular article on BBC News website, comfortably outranking the item about General Franco having only "one testicle".


  • Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8066005.stm
    At least 11 people have been injured during a fight inside a Sikh temple in the Austrian capital Vienna.

    Police said five men armed with knives and another with a pistol started a fight in the temple, the BBC's Bethany Bell reports.

    The number of injured is expected to rise, a police spokeswoman said.

    It is unclear what caused the fight, with reports of a feud between rival families and also of disputes with worshippers at other Sikh temples.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    On a lighter note:
    Family see Jesus image in Marmite
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/8071865.stm
    "We've had a tough couple of months; my mum's been really ill and it's comforting to think that if he is there, he's watching over us."
    You'd think Jesus would just cure her mother rather than compel the yeast to form his image on a jar lid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    Looks like a man chasing Yoshi to me...
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    US abortion doctor is shot dead

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8076253.stm


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    Odd that the shooter "fled the scene".
    Why would you run if you were going God's work?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    5uspect wrote: »
    Odd that the shooter "fled the scene".
    Why would you run if you were going God's work?

    The liberal media might try to portray his act of shooting someone in the street as bad some how.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Tyler MacDurden


    Found this rather disturbing tale on RichardDawkins.net.

    Original story here:

    http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25590813-5005941,00.html

    And an excellent blog on the case, and on homeopathy generally:

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/06/05/homeopathy-kills/

    Homeopathy kills

    [Note: This post may upset some people. It damn sure upset me. If you are easily upset by pediatric medical stories that do not end well, then you might want to skip reading this. The title alone may be all you need to know.]

    Homeopathy is the antiscientific belief that infinitely diluted medicine in water can cure various ailments. It’s perhaps the most ridiculous of all "alternative" medicines, since it clearly cannot work, does not work, and has been tested repeatedly and shown to be useless.

    And for those who ask, "what’s the harm?", you may direct your question to Thomas Sam and his wife Manju Sam, whose nine-month-old daughter died because of their homeopathic beliefs.

    The infant girl, Gloria Thomas, died of complications due to eczema. Eczema. This is an easily-treatable skin condition (the treatments don’t cure eczema but do manage it), but that treatment was withheld from the baby girl by her parents, who rejected the advice of doctors and instead used homeopathic treatments. The baby’s condition got worse, with her skin covered in rashes and open cracks. These cracks let in germs which her tiny body had difficulty fighting off. She became undernourished as she used all her nutrients to fight infections instead of for growth and the other normal body functions of an infant. She was constantly sick and in pain, but her parents stuck with homeopathy. When the baby girl developed an eye infection, her parents finally took her to a hospital, but it was far too late: little Gloria Thomas succumbed to septicemia from the infection.

    Thomas and Manju Sam were convicted yesterday of manslaughter in Australian court. As a parent myself I cannot even begin to imagine the pain they are going through, the anguish and the emotional horror. But let us be clear here: their belief in a clearly wrong antiscientific medical practice killed their baby. Homeopathy doesn’t work, but because they were raised in an environment that supports belief in homeopathy, they trusted it. They used it, and they rejected real, science-based medicine. And their daughter suffered the consequences.

    And suffer she did. The accounts of the pediatricians who tried too late to help little Gloria Thomas are simply harrowing.

    Every time I hear about something like this — a baby dying due to "alternative" medicine, or the lies and disinformation from the antivaccination movement, or some other belief system that flies in the face of reality — a little bit of me dies as well. I held my daughter shortly after she was born, and I would have done anything to protect her, and that included and still includes protecting her against people who fight so adamantly against reality.

    The reality is that the antivaxxers’ work will result in babies dying. The reality is that belief in homeopathy will result in more babies dying. The reality is that denying science-based medicine will result in more babies dying.

    And I know these words will fall on many deaf ears. And I will guarantee the comments to this post will contain many loud and irrational arguments supporting homeopathy and the antivaxxers. I’ve seen it before, and I know that many of those people are completely immune to reason and logic. And if you wonder what might wake them up, the answer may very well be nothing. Just read what Gloria Thomas’ father — the man just convicted of the manslaughter of his own daughter — had to say:

    But even after Gloria died, Thomas Sam adhered to his belief that homeopathy was equally valid to conventional medicine for the treatment of eczema.

    He told police: “Conventional medicine would have prolonged her life … with more misery. It’s not going to cure her and that’s what I strongly believe.”

    He and his wife face 25 years in jail, where they will have plenty of time to rethink their convictions.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Zillah wrote: »
    The liberal media might try to portray his act of shooting someone in the street as bad some how.
    Meanwhile, down the road in Kentucky, a church-owner wants to fill his building with armed men and women at the end of this month:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090604/ap_on_re_us/us_guns_in_church

    "We're just trying to promote responsible gun ownership and gun safety", explained the preacher.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭ZorbaTehZ


    So some Islamic mother was convinced that her kid was possessed, so she starved her to death.


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