Census 2011

Kunle · 05-01-2011 11:21am #1

Is it just me that thinks this is a total waste of money? Why do we have a census so often in this country? we had one in 2002,2006 and now again in 2011, most other countries only have a census every 10 years. Isnt the census a very outdated method ? There is talk of it being abolished in the Uk.

Cookie_Monster · 05-01-2011 11:31am

Its an EU requirement these days isn't it?

Killer Pigeon · 05-01-2011 11:32am

I believe it provides very useful and interesting statistics which help aid policy makers in some of their decisions. I believe it should be kept.

Einhard · 05-01-2011 11:46am

The Constitution requires that there be X number of public representatives per X population. In order to meet that Constitutional requirement therefore, we need to know the number of people in the state. Apart from that, there are any number of reasons why holding a regular census is worthwhile.

Kunle · 05-01-2011 11:56am

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

I believe it provides very useful and interesting statistics which help aid policy makers in some of their decisions. I believe it should be kept.

Yes those policy makers really made good decisions based on past census, we really needed all those new houses built didnt we?

Laminations · 05-01-2011 11:59am

Kunle wrote: »

Yes those policy makers really made good decisions based on past census, we really needed all those new houses built didnt we?

Are you really going to start knocking policy decisions after you started a thread saying you'll vote for FF come next election cos you think they're great?

Yes I've made a list...

Killer Pigeon · 05-01-2011 12:00pm

Kunle wrote: »

Yes those policy makers really made good decisions based on past census, we really needed all those new houses built didnt we?

Clearly past policy makers don't pay enough attention to the importance of censuses. In fact they should hold a census every 2 years to emphasise the relevance of population statistics.

Cakes. · 05-01-2011 12:03pm

Laminations wrote: »

Are you really going to start knocking policy decisions after you started a thread saying you'll vote for FF come next election cos you think they're great?

Yes I've made a list...

And how welfare cuts we're fair.

Kunle · 05-01-2011 3:24pm

Cakesofrice wrote: »

And how welfare cuts we're fair.

If you think FF's 8€ pw welfare cut was unfair just wait until right wing varadkar gets his hands on the department.

johngalway · 05-01-2011 3:35pm

Kunle wrote: »

If you think FF's 8€ pw welfare cut was unfair just wait until right wing varadkar gets his hands on the department.

Perhaps knock him on his actions instead of your bias.

Regarding the Census, is 2006 really the last time we had one? I thought there was once since then

05-01-2011 5:15pm

While we were part of the UK it was every 10 years.

At some point after independence it moved to every 5 years as the population was declining so rapidly and this was kept.

nuac · 05-01-2011 5:41pm

Because census is taken on a Sunday night it is skewed in favour of the larger centres of population.

At the end of each weekend usually on Sunday evening thousands of young people leave each rural county to return to work or thirdlevel education in larger centres.

This results in lower populations been shown in smaller communities and inflated numbers in larger centres. Some of those in larger centres are aware of this. For at least one census UCG set exams on the following Monday morning.

A census to give true result should be held on a Saturday night.

delta_bravo · 05-01-2011 5:55pm

Its every 5 years and one of the most important sources of data a state gets.

astrofool · 05-01-2011 6:15pm

nuac wrote: »

Because census is taken on a Sunday night it is skewed in favour of the larger centres of population.

At the end of each weekend usually on Sunday evening thousands of young people leave each rural county to return to work or thirdlevel education in larger centres.

This results in lower populations been shown in smaller communities and inflated numbers in larger centres. Some of those in larger centres are aware of this. For at least one census UCG set exams on the following Monday morning.

A census to give true result should be held on a Saturday night.

So they spend all week at the larger population centre (5/7 of their time), surely they should count as being resident there for census purposes.

mdebets · 05-01-2011 6:19pm

nuac wrote: »

Because census is taken on a Sunday night it is skewed in favour of the larger centres of population.

At the end of each weekend usually on Sunday evening thousands of young people leave each rural county to return to work or thirdlevel education in larger centres.

This results in lower populations been shown in smaller communities and inflated numbers in larger centres.

If these students live 5 out of 7 days in the larger centres, they should be counted there, so the count on Sunday is the correct one.

later12 · 05-01-2011 7:07pm

nuac wrote: »

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At the end of each weekend usually on Sunday evening thousands of young people leave each rural county to return to work or thirdlevel education in larger centres.

That presumably means they are spending the majority of the week in that location. Therefore that is the location where they use the most resources, are available for work or study, and are otherwise normally resident. They should be counted there.

galwayrush · 05-01-2011 7:51pm

Kunle wrote: »

If you think FF's 8€ pw welfare cut was unfair just wait until right wing varadkar gets his hands on the department.

Hope he does not have to be too severe to try and fix the awful situation we are in because of FF.

jakdelad · 05-01-2011 10:11pm

1 The revenue use computer matching of census data and private addresses to track down people who don't file income taxes, in 2010

2 they tell you all information collected is for statisticial purposes only BULL****

3 why cant we send the information by email?? makes sense and would save a lot of money

4 why is the question wheather or not your connected to the internet so important
a simple call to eircom ,vodafone, 3 etc would give quicker and more accurate information

5 they are enumerators your only obliged to tell them how many are in the house
ask them where does it say in the constitution they are allowed to gather private information or take peoples names,eg how many bedrooms you have or how many cars, or computers

6 where does the census derive its authority to demand we provide them with private information?

7 is there any limit to the amount of private information the census may collect?????

8 how may we be penalised for maintaining our privacy???

heres a sample of questions from the 2006 census
have a look and think again

http://www.cso.ie/census/why_all_the_questions.htm

Iwasfrozen · 05-01-2011 10:24pm

jakdelad wrote: »

1 The revenue use computer matching of census data and private addresses to track down people who don't file income taxes, in 2010

2 they tell you all information collected is for statisticial purposes only BULL****

3 why cant we send the information by email?? makes sense and would save a lot of money

4 why is the question wheather or not your connected to the internet so important
a simple call to eircom ,vodafone, 3 etc would give quicker and more accurate information

5 they are enumerators your only obliged to tell them how many are in the house
ask them where does it say in the constitution they are allowed to gather private information or take peoples names,eg how many bedrooms you have or how many cars, or computers

6 where does the census derive its authority to demand we provide them with private information?

7 is there any limit to the amount of private information the census may collect?????

8 how may we be penalised for maintaining our privacy???

heres a sample of questions from the 2006 census
have a look and think again

http://www.cso.ie/census/why_all_the_questions.htm

Are you a Troll? I'm going to bite anyway.

3. Becuase not everyone has an email and there is no way to check everyone sent theirs in.

4. It's not eircom or vodafones business to do that for the government. Also not wveryone has a phone.

5. You are obliged to tell them anything they ask you. The constitution doesn't allow them but it doesn't forbid them. That's the important part.

6. From the government, duh.

7. Not that I know.

8. Everyone who doesn't fil out the census should be penalised.

Kalimah · 06-01-2011 12:41am

jakdelad wrote: »

1 The revenue use computer matching of census data and private addresses to track down people who don't file income taxes, in 2010

2 they tell you all information collected is for statisticial purposes only BULL****

3 why cant we send the information by email?? makes sense and would save a lot of money

4 why is the question wheather or not your connected to the internet so important
a simple call to eircom ,vodafone, 3 etc would give quicker and more accurate information

5 they are enumerators your only obliged to tell them how many are in the house
ask them where does it say in the constitution they are allowed to gather private information or take peoples names,eg how many bedrooms you have or how many cars, or computers

6 where does the census derive its authority to demand we provide them with private information?

7 is there any limit to the amount of private information the census may collect?????

8 how may we be penalised for maintaining our privacy???

heres a sample of questions from the 2006 census
have a look and think again

http://www.cso.ie/census/why_all_the_questions.htm

I. No they don't.

2. Yes it is.

nuac · 06-01-2011 2:44pm

later10 - thank u for your reply. most of those leaving their home places on Sunday evening are going back to place of third-level education. They will move on from that place on average within 3 to 5 years and will return to home place or go elsewhere.

Still believe they should for census purposes be enumerated at their home address.

spank_inferno · 06-01-2011 4:32pm

nuac wrote: »

they will move on from that place on average within 3 to 5 years and will return to home place or go elsewhere.

Just in time for the next census so!

The 2011 Census should not be basing residency stats on where some kids may be living in 3-5 years.
Its for collecting data in the here & now.

As a counterpoint I think urban areas go under-counted on census days.

Anecdotally (a family member who was a Dublin census enumerator) there are huge areas of Dublin city that have a very high imigrant population, these residents have a much lower completion & return rate than Irish citizens because many don’t want or are afraid to participate.

06-01-2011 6:33pm

nuac wrote: »

later10 - thank u for your reply. most of those leaving their home places on Sunday evening are going back to place of third-level education. They will move on from that place on average within 3 to 5 years and will return to home place or go elsewhere.

Still believe they should for census purposes be enumerated at their home address.

And they will be replaced by incoming students, who will be replaced by other students.

Your way would permanently undercount the population of cities and over count the population of rural towns and villages that these students unfortunately may never return to.

For example Galway has a population of 73,000 which includes
16,000(total - don't have a handy split) students in NUIG and 5,000 (full time undergrad) in GMIT 3/4 of which come from the west of Ireland.

Edit: I am sure many of the students are from Galway itself, commute into town, are studying part time or in different campuses etc. - the numbers are for example to show how much it could impact the total.

Mike 1972 · 06-01-2011 7:00pm

Einhard wrote: »

The Constitution requires that there be X number of public representatives per X population. In order to meet that Constitutional requirement therefore, we need to know the number of people in the state. Apart from that, there are any number of reasons why holding a regular census is worthwhile.

Surely it would be better to use the electoral register for the purpose you refer to ?

Between them the revenue comissioners and the Dept of social welfare (or whatever silly happy-clappy feelgood name thay have for it these days) should be able to figure out how many people live in the country.

Among the dafter questions on the census are Religion (what business of the government is it ?) Race/Ethnicity (if only for the ludicrous categorisations) and What year the place you live in was built (How the hell should I know -Im only renting the damn place ?)

Despite the legal penelties for lying on the census quite a lot of the answers given in relation to the "Religion" and "Irish language" questions are quite obviously patently untrue which does make one wonder how honest people are when it comes to filling in the rest of it.

Sulmac · 06-01-2011 7:05pm

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Among the dafter questions on the census are Religion (what business of the government is it ?)

Hey, some of us want the government to acknowledge and respect our Jedi faith.

For anyone who's interested, here's a list of questions that will be on the census this year.

06-01-2011 7:39pm

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Among the dafter questions on the census are Religion (what business of the government is it ?)

Something like 98% of the primary schools in this country have a religious ethos.

Wouldn't you and the government like to know if there was a big mismatch between peoples stated beliefs and what schools get state funding?

Mike 1972 · 06-01-2011 7:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Wouldn't you and the government like to know if there was a big mismatch between peoples stated beliefs and what schools get state funding?

I wouldnt approve of Schools with a religious ethos recieving a cent from the taxpayer even if 99.9% of the population subscribed to the religion in question but thats really one for another thread.

Oasis_Dublin · 06-01-2011 8:20pm

nuac wrote: »

A census to give true result should be held on a Saturday night.

Staying in on a Saturday night? Pffft. Also as someone else mentioned, why concentrate resources on an area where the majority will only spend one night of the week. Dublin abú!!

Cookie_Monster · 06-01-2011 9:29pm

http://www.cso.ie/census/documents/Date_%20for_%20census_%202011.pdf
H2 Year house was built

why & how would they expect you to know the answer to that?

Mike 1972 · 06-01-2011 10:22pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

why & how would they expect you to know the answer to that?

If you own the house. its probably mentioned in the title deeds (???)

If youre renting you most likely dont know and have no reason to even care.

Ive no idea how old the place im living in is. I could hazard a guess at what decade it was but I could still be miles out and Im not remotely interested to be quite frank about it.
The local authority planning office would know exactly which goes to prove my earlier point that theres damn all information to be gleaned from holding a census than could be determined with a lot greater accuracy by Government departments sharing information already available to them.

jakdelad · 17-01-2011 11:06pm

Kalimah wrote: »

I. No they don't.

2. Yes it is.

who counts the homeless???
who counts the travelers .???

new questin in the 2011 census
how is your health,, come on???

Census 2011

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