Iona vs Panti

Bannasidhe · 08-02-2014 10:56PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

John doesn't have an issue with gay people,it's the lobby clearly. Burt Bacharach is playing.

Cole Porter is playing in the Gay Cafe and there's biscotti.

LoganRice · 08-02-2014 10:58PM

I think Iona and Panti are awful

Corkfeen · 08-02-2014 11:00PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Cole Porter is playing in the Gay Cafe and there's biscotti.

Cole Porter! To the lobby! Surprised everyone hasn't joined. Out of interest Bann,would you say it's homophobic to say that you are going to bring about a Buffy style apocalypse by marrying?:D

oscarBravo · 08-02-2014 11:02PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I'll give you a simple example. You could be an ignorant and rude prick but when you meet your girlfriend/boyfriend's parents for the first time you could be the perfect gentleman and say everything politely.

Just so I'm clear: it's your contention that John Waters says homophobic things he doesn't believe?

What's your basis for believing that he's lying when he says the nasty things he does about gay people?

Turtwig · 08-02-2014 11:05PM

Careful now:

Implying a leading Irish Journalist is lying is potentially defamatory.

robindch · 08-02-2014 11:07PM

robindch wrote: »

The next person who trolls, or posts some uncharitable, paranoid or tatty rhetorical flourish, or indeed, anything at all which isn't the high level of debate that most people are willing to make the effort to sustain here on A+A, will be banned without warning.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You could be an ignorant and rude prick [...]

BB will be spending the next fortnight within the wilderness without.

Brown Bomber · 08-02-2014 11:08PM

jjpep wrote: »

Ok. So which one then would be the true character of the person then I wonder?

Or do you mean say prickush things but in a polite way?

What we "are" is a question for the philosophers. I was simply pointing out what we say does not equate to being.

robindch · 08-02-2014 11:09PM

^^^ Ninja post, in case anybody's wondering.

Corkfeen · 08-02-2014 11:13PM

Relaxing interlude for breathing a general sigh of relief. Playing directly from the gay lobby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aeQ3DmKU7A

sid waddell · 08-02-2014 11:26PM

Jernal wrote: »

Careful now:

Implying a leading Irish Journalist is lying is potentially defamatory.

However in this case saying he's not lying is also potentially defamatory.

Any legal proceedings by Waters would be all in the name of having an open debate, of course.

Brian Shanahan · 08-02-2014 11:31PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

Relaxing interlude for breathing a general sigh of relief. Playing directly from the gay lobby.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aeQ3DmKU7A

I'm more of an Ink Spots fan myself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7AZIvDD5Lw

Bannasidhe · 08-02-2014 11:41PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

Cole Porter! To the lobby! Surprised everyone hasn't joined. Out of interest Bann,would you say it's homophobic to say that you are going to bring about a Buffy style apocalypse by marrying?:D

Mean and nasty to the gays homophobic or death squad homophobic?

With a Buffy style apocalypse being predicted it's hard to tell...

I can say I will be hiding behind Willow.

Corkfeen · 08-02-2014 11:44PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Mean and nasty to the gays homophobic or death squad homophobic?

With a Buffy style apocalypse being predicted it's hard to tell...

I can say I will be hiding behind Willow.

The former rather than the latter. If it's an angel style apocalypse,we'll get the hint of a dragon but never see anything.

You'll be grand if it's evil Willow but if it's good Willow,it'll just be another Tara.

Specifically detailed Buffy/Angel style response.

Bannasidhe · 08-02-2014 11:46PM

LoganRice wrote: »

I think Iona and Panti are awful

I haven't seen Iona in drag so I can't comment but Panti is one of the best drag artists I have ever seen. For me only Lily Savage is better. I haven't seen RuPaul live but she lacks bite on TV imho.

Bannasidhe · 08-02-2014 11:58PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

The former rather than the latter. If it's an angel style apocalypse,we'll get the hint of a dragon but never see anything.
You'll be grand if it's evil Willow but if it's good Willow,it'll just be another Tara.

Specifically detailed Buffy/Angel style response.

If one is mean and nasty about gays because they are gay regardless of whether or not we risk turning the world into Sunnydale I would say one was homophobic.

Evil Willow for the win! If it's good Willow then I will set Anya on them obviously

Lou.m · 09-02-2014 12:03AM

If the Iona institute is not homophobic then how do they actually feel about gay people apart from gay marriage.

Do they feel comfortable about homosexuality? Or do they feel homosexuality is not a good thing for society?

Do they feel the gay community is a positive aspect of Irish life?

If they are not homophobic presumably then they think being gay fine then?

[-0-] · 09-02-2014 02:03AM

Brown Bomber, your prejudice is showing.

Hotblack Desiato · 09-02-2014 02:20AM

robindch wrote: »

^^^ Ninja post, in case anybody's wondering.

Nowt to do wiv me, guv,

Bannasidhe wrote: »

If one is mean and nasty about gays because they are gay regardless of whether or not we risk turning the world into Sunnydale I would say one was homophobic.

So, to paraphrase Seamus Mallon...

...is the current discussion on homophobia simply Sunnydale for slow learners?

I'll get me coat.

aloyisious · 09-02-2014 09:01AM

sid waddell wrote: »

However in this case saying he's not lying is also potentially defamatory.

Any legal proceedings by Waters would be all in the name of having an open debate, of course.

In open court, of course.

aloyisious · 09-02-2014 09:04AM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You do know difference between being homophobic and saying something homophobic?

Keeping one's opinion to one's-self?

aloyisious · 09-02-2014 09:24AM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I'm not sure why the existence of organised political lobby groups centred on advancing the special interests of gay people is so comical.

When you find out the answer please come back and post it up here for all the world to see. Meanwhile the world and all can have a debate as to whether your statement above is homophobic in nature, as it is essentially focused on gay people. Would the average Irish Ma and Pa and other family relatives of gay people be part of these organized political lobby groups?

MrPudding · 09-02-2014 09:49AM

robindch wrote: »

BB will be spending the next fortnight within the wilderness without.

To the DRP thread, for LOLZ.

MrP

Bannasidhe · 09-02-2014 11:17AM

Bannasidhe · 09-02-2014 11:56AM

Gene Kerrigan in the Indo.

The moral authority of the hierarchy was broken by the revelation that senior Catholic figures for decades actively protected child rapists. From the laity there emerged grouplets such as the Iona "Institute" – picking up the ball and running with it. Oh no, we're not standing in for the disgraced hierarchy, we're merely concerned intellectuals, worried about the future of marriage, children and the family.

For some reason, the media – not just RTE – bought this. It seemed like no social issue could be reported without a comment from the "Institute". (What, by the way, is the Iona view on flooding? Come on, RTE, I think we should be told.)

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/wont-somebody-think-of-poor-iona-29992862.html

I too would like to hear Iona's explanation for the floods...

iwantmydinner · 09-02-2014 12:07PM

GK, having just skimmed the article in my hungover state, seems to be talking a lot of sense.

FouxDaFaFa · 09-02-2014 12:24PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Mean and nasty to the gays homophobic or death squad homophobic?

With a Buffy style apocalypse being predicted it's hard to tell...

I can say I will be hiding behind Willow.

Panti the Homophobe Slayer?

Bannasidhe · 09-02-2014 01:24PM

MrPudding wrote: »

To the DRP thread, for LOLZ.

MrP

Any one else think of those as DeRP threads?

:pac:

ewan whose army · 09-02-2014 01:37PM

Is it bad that Panti's speech brought a tear to my eye?

Such a lovely person, doesn't deserve any of this **** from a bunch of bigoted Catholics wanting to bully their own beliefs onto others

Hotblack Desiato · 09-02-2014 01:41PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Gene Kerrigan in the Indo.

For some reason, the media – not just RTE – bought this.

Yeah, including the Indo giving DQ a column :rolleyes:

GCU Flexible Demeanour · 09-02-2014 02:07PM

iwantmydinner wrote: »

GK, having just skimmed the article in my hungover state, seems to be talking a lot of sense.

It's grand, so far as it goes. What I think is missing is some consideration of why Catholic lay organisations can move to occupy the space that Bishops might have occupied in the past. In some sense, it's because they are not yet irrelevant.

For them to become irrelevant, some coherent organisation with a solid social basis has to emerge. In other words, built on a fair number of people waking up in the morning feeling they've some compelling reason to co-operate because they've a lot in common. I wouldn't see Atheist Ireland (for the sake of argument) finding that they can mobilise that kind of coherent support. I wouldn't feel the current controversy will, either. It's just too peripheral an issue.

The Irish Mortgage Holders Organisation has more of coherent social basis, and more significance in the influence its likely to have our collective lives. And not necessarily a good influence, precisely because we can only achieve a degree of consensus around stuff that doesn't really matter.We could probably contemplate a referendum on gay marriage before we could contemplate a referendum on abortion, precisely because gay marriage won't change anything that matters in any real sense.

Now, the Iona thing can't last more than a couple of decades. It won't be that much longer that you'll have Irish people feeling that Catholicism has some particular reason to be listened to, even if it is probably the main reason that we're living in an Irish State.

Iona vs Panti

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