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Is Waterford or Limerick The Oldest City In Ireland

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  • 30-05-2013 8:54pm
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    Totally Tropical
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    I don't want a slagging match here so keep that rubbish out of this thread.I always thought Waterford was the oldest city in Ireland but according to someone on the Limerick forum Limerick was granted a city charter before Waterford.Is this a clear cut issue?Which one is actually the oldest?


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    Chris Ryan
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    Fairly sure it's Waterford


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    Dyr
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    Limerick looks older anyway


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    mike65
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    They are referring the the Charter of King John presumably. Limerick 1199 Waterford 1206.
    Dublin is 1172, Cork is 1185, Kilkenny is 1383 (status since lost though the name remains for local pride) and Galway only in 1985.


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    orestes
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    Go to wiki, sort by date, here's what they say:

    Dublin 1172
    Cork 1185
    Limerick 1199
    Waterford 1206
    Kilkenny 1383


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    Totally Tropical
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    mike65 wrote: »
    They are referring the the Charter of King John presumably. Limerick 1199 Waterford 1206.
    Dublin is 1172, Cork is 1185, Kilkenny is 1383 (status since lost though the name remains for local pride) and Galway only in 1985.

    So does that mean that Limerick is the oldest city in Ireland?


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    corktina
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    Totally Tropical wrote: »
    So does that mean that Limerick is the oldest city in Ireland?

    no ...it means Dublin is.....


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    A0
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    Totally Tropical wrote: »
    So does that mean that Limerick is the oldest city in Ireland?

    No... Galway is...


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    mike65
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    Dublin is the oldest both as a "City" and the first significant population centre.


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    Boscoirl
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    My favourite game is calling Kilkenny a town in front of Kilkenny people, it's great fun.

    Kilkenny has a Cathedral you know


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    Tim the Enchanter
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    Waterford was one of the first major settlements in Ireland. Founded by the vikings in the 9th century. Also Cromwell never got his slimey hands on it. Our national flag was also first raised in waterford.


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    Totally Tropical
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    corktina wrote: »
    no ...it means Dublin is.....

    God how did i miss that!So Dublin 1172 Cork 1185 Limerick 1199 and Waterford 1206.So Cork is actually the second oldest city in Ireland?


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    Totally Tropical
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    Tim the Enchanter wrote: »
    Waterford was one of the first major settlements in Ireland. Founded by the vikings in the 9th century. Also Cromwell never got his slimey hands on it. Our national flag was also first raised in waterford.

    So you don't go by the charter of king john you go back to the 9th century when the settlement of what is now Waterford was being developed by the vikings before any of Dublin Cork and Limerick?


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    Mr Tibbs
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    Tim the Enchanter wrote: »
    Waterford was one of the first major settlements in Ireland. Founded by the vikings in the 9th century. Also Cromwell never got his slimey hands on it. Our national flag was also first raised in waterford.

    And we were ate'n Blaas when all the rest of them were still ate'n soggy spuds.


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    Totally Tropical
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    Tim the Enchanter wrote: »
    Yes. Also s

    If that's the case so it's all about perception.Going on what you said Waterford was an urban settlement before some english kings charter.Therefore i consider Waterford to be irelands oldest city.


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    Tim the Enchanter
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    Totally Tropical wrote: »
    So you don't go by the charter of king john you go back to the 9th century when the settlement of what is now Waterford was being developed by the vikings before any of Dublin Cork and Limerick?

    Yes. Also the earliest settlement in Ireland was found in Waterford when the city square shopping centre was being built in the early 90's. Who gave king john the authority to dictate history?


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    everdead.ie
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    mike65 wrote: »
    They are referring the the Charter of King John presumably. Limerick 1199 Waterford 1206.
    Dublin is 1172, Cork is 1185, Kilkenny is 1383 (status since lost though the name remains for local pride) and Galway only in 1985.
    Fairly sure Galway became a "city" in the 1480's.


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    Totally Tropical
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    Tim the Enchanter wrote: »
    Yes. Also the earliest settlement in Ireland was found in Waterford when the city square shopping centre was being built in the early 90's. Who gave king john the authority to dictate history?

    That's my question answered so like it or lump it Waterford is the oldest city in Ireland and i have to say it's one of irelands true hidden treasures.Why can't ye market that status by drawing the tourists in?They all choose Cork Dublin and Galway for their city breaks.It look's like those places market themselves better.


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    Totally Tropical
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    everdead.ie wrote: »
    Fairly sure Galway became a "city" in the 1480's.

    Did it i was sure Galway was only considered to be a town up until the late 1970's.


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    Mr Tibbs
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterford

    Waterford is the recognised as the oldest city in Ireland. We will be celebrating 1,100 very shortly. Long before British rule.


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    michellie
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    Mr Tibbs wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterford

    Waterford is the recognised as the oldest city in Ireland. We will be celebrating 1,100 very shortly. Long before British rule.

    When will that be and more importantly where is the party? I suggest something similar to tall ships weekend but we must have sun, that's very important.


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    Tim the Enchanter
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    Totally Tropical wrote: »
    That's my question answered so like it or lump it Waterford is the oldest city in Ireland and i have to say it's one of irelands true hidden treasures.Why can't ye market that status by drawing the tourists in?They all choose Cork Dublin and Galway for their city breaks.It look's like those places market themselves better.

    I agree but unfortunatly most politcal entities do not share this view.


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    omega666
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    Waterford isnt a real city to be fair. it's far too small.


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    Totally Tropical
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    omega666 wrote: »
    Waterford isnt a real city to be fair. it's far too small.

    History say's otherwise.None of Irelands cities outside of Dublin would be cities on a global scale but Waterford is very much a city by irish standards.


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    seven_eleven
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    omega666 wrote: »
    Waterford isnt a real city to be fair. it's far too small.

    yeah because we havent had this retárded argument 10237309372 on boards before. Go away with comments like that, derailing threads.


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    Neeson
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    Totally Tropical wrote: »
    History say's otherwise.None of Ireland cities outside of Dublin would be cities on a global scale but Waterford is very much a city by irish standards.

    I'd say all these Americans coming over for the gathering are looking at all the cities in the country and thinking Jesus this is just a small town.


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    omega666
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    Totally Tropical wrote: »
    History say's otherwise.None of Irelands cities outside of Dublin would be cities on a global scale but Waterford is very much a city by irish standards.

    Cork would, and Possibly Limerick.
    Waterford is only a large town in reality.


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    Tim the Enchanter
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    omega666 wrote: »
    Cork would, and Possibly Limerick.
    Waterford is only a large town in reality.

    But thats not the question here. Waterford has more history inside her walls than most so called citys throughout the world


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    #29
    Totally Tropical
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    omega666 wrote: »
    Cork would, and Possibly Limerick.
    Waterford is only a large town in reality.

    Take the Waterford bashing somewhere else.Im from Cork and it would be my favourite irish city.It's the perfect size it's not too big or too small but Cork and Limerick wouldn't be classed as cities on a global scale.Even Dublin is pretty small compared to other major cities in Europe,Australia and the USA!Cork and Limerick are a fair bit bigger than Waterford but like it or lump it Waterford is a city and it's the oldest city in Ireland actually so put that in your pipe and smoke it.:)


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    orestes
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    Totally Tropical wrote: »
    If that's the case so it's all about perception.Going on what you said Waterford was an urban settlement before some english kings charter.Therefore i consider Waterford to be irelands oldest city.

    Why ask a question if you are going to ignore the answer and just go with what you want to think anyway?


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    harry Bailey esq
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    Neeson wrote: »
    I'd say all these Americans coming over for the gathering are looking at all the cities in the country and thinking Jesus this is just a small town.

    in the usa there are 'cities' with a population of just a few hundred


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