Creationism: Conspiracy Road Trip (BBC3 9pm tonight)

mewso wrote: »

That avatar had me doing a double-take at your comment gaius as another well known poster using that avatar would no doubt be defending him I see Maxwell did the same thing with 11/9 and 7/7 conspiracy folks. Just as frustrating to watch but entertaining none the less (all on youtube). I like that Maxwell isn't too overbearing but shows his exasperation just as we might be feeling it.

Just picked the avatar at the top of the pile because I couldn't see an option to upload my own.

I think i remember him being on some talk show in england if anyone remembers? Pretty sure i saw the clip here.

Galvasean wrote: »

You'd think, given how often lions show up in the Bible, T. rex would get more mentions. Why it's almost as if the lion was the mightiest/scariest predator they could find...

Duh, cause the T. Rex was a scavenger. And now the bible proves it.

The Qur’an is the final revelation from god to humanity. The Qur’an is not primarily a science book, but it does contain scientific facts that have been scientifically discovered only recently through the advancement of technological equipment. Indeed, studying and understanding the nature of creation enables people to further appreciate their creator and the extent of his Sovereignty. Some examples follow:

1- Human embryonic development

In the Qur’an, god speaks about the stages of man’s embryonic development: “We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)...” (Qur’an, 23:12-14)

The Arabic word alaqah has three meanings: (1) leech – when comparing a leech to an embryo in the alaqah stage, we find similarities. Also, the embryo at this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to a leech . (2) suspended thing. (3) blood clot – the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs during the alaqah stage are similar to that of a blood clot. This is due to large amounts of blood present in the embryo during this stage.

The next stage mentioned is the mudghah stage which means “chewed substance.” If one were to chew a piece of gum and compare it to the embryo at this stage, we would conclude that the embryo resembles a chewed substance.This is due to somites (cells that form the vertebrae) at the back of the embryo that, according to Dr. Moore and Persaud, “somewhat resemble teeth marks in a chewed substance.”

2- The Creation of living beings from water
“Allah created every [living] creature from water. Some of them go on their bellies, some of them on two legs, and some on four.Allah creates whatever He wills. Allah has power over all things.”(Qur’an, 24:45)

Water is the main component of organic matter.Between 50-90% of the weight of living things consists of water.Furthermore, 80% of the cytoplasm (basic cell material) is water.The analysis of cytoplasm took place hundreds of years after the revelation of the Qur’an.

3- Mountains As Stabilisers
Mountains play an important role in stabilising the crust of the earth, by hindering its shaking. God has said:
“And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you...”(Qur’an, 16:15)

Likewise,the modern theory of plate tectonics agrees that mountains work as stabilisers for the earth.The knowledge about the role of mountains as stabilisers has just begun to be understood by scientists in the framework of plate tectonics.

What do modern scientists say?

Dr Keith L. Moore, Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Cell Biology, was associate dean of basic sciences at the faculty of medicine as well as the chairman of the department of anatomy. He is the author of the book entitled The Developing Human, which has been translated into eight languages and was chosen by a special committee in the United States as the best book authored by one person.

During one conference, Professor Moore stated:
“It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur’an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God.”

After all these examples mentioned and others not mentioned due to space limitations, Can you ask yourself these two questions:

- Could it be a coincidence that all this recently discovered scientific information was mentioned in the Qur’an, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago?

- Could this Qur’an have been authored by Muhammad or by any other human being?

The only possible answer is that this Qur’an must be the literal word of God, revealed by Him.

Galvasean wrote: »

Oddly I did once see a Creationist argue that T. rex not being in the Bible was evidence that it existed at the time. You see, so fearsome was its reputation that people gave it a wide berth.

T Rex > Satan.

joseph brand wrote: »

Here's his web****e.



To put it in layman's terms, a P.E teacher full of horsesh1t!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sP63mfn0gg

Watched the conspiracy episode last night and found him annoying, but this, wow I got 1 minute 55s in and he claimed that natural selection opposes evolution because you can only select from what already exists. Did he even read the cliff notes of Darwin's work. Even a one page summary would clear that issue up for him.

Watched it on BBC3 last night. Atheist myself but dont post here usually but feel compelled to do so now.
All i can say is how sad it is young bright people turning their back on blatent facts staring them in the face. Whats gone so wrong in their lives and communities they come from that makes them so repulsed by such a simple notion as evidence.

sink wrote: »

I get the impression that Phil is not only a creationist but he is also a hardcore unionist, so his absolute refusal to even consider for one second an alternate perspective is entirely in keeping with his cultural background. (In case your wondering the union flag cushions in his house at the start gave it away.)

I came to the same conclusion about him too.

sink wrote: »

I get the impression that Phil is not only a creationist but he is also a hardcore unionist, so his absolute refusal to even consider for one second an alternate perspective is entirely in keeping with his cultural background. (In case your wondering the union flag cushions in his house at the start gave it away.)

I missed the first couple of minutes (and thus the cushion), but I came to that conclusion fairly quickly. Lucky guess or blatantly obvious?

To be honest in that talkshow clip I found the professor of thermodynamics claiming that ID is true to be much worse.

Sindri wrote: »

That presenter's gorgeous!

Aye that's Susanna Reid. Presents BBC Breakfast News, good way to get up in the morning!

sink wrote: »

I get the impression that Phil is not only a creationist but he is also a hardcore unionist, so his absolute refusal to even consider for one second an alternate perspective is entirely in keeping with his cultural background. (In case your wondering the union flag cushions in his house at the start gave it away.)

To be fair I haven't seen or heard anything from him that would lead me to believe he is politically active although no doubt the most likely home for his views would be within the DUP.

Also when he accosted a passer-by to enquire whether it was a "gay church" they were entering I thought for a split-second that he was going to ask "Is this a Catholic Church?" Alas, I'm as guilty as most of forming pre-conceived notions.

TruthToTell wrote:

The Qur’an is the final revelation from god to humanity. The Qur’an is not primarily a science book...

Maybe so, but I'd imagine that an actual revelation from a creator deity would be a bit more, well, factually accurate; science book or not.