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Fiscal Treaty Referendum.....How will you vote?
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While its very difficult to be sure with any degree of certainty what will happen in the future, I do know that if I was broke and someone was willing to lend me money, at a lower interest rate then I could get anywhere else and they asked me to sign an agreement to ensure, that neither my partners nor myself could walk ourselves into this typ of debt situation again - I would do it.
If I was in very severe debt because I over-borrowed and over-spent, (I like the high life) and no one was prepared to bail me out - accept one person, who offered me a loan and good interest rates but added a caveat that; I must acknowledge I have a long history of being incapable of balancing my own books; I must sign an agreement that will mean I have to be accountable and responsible when I am dealing with other peoples money: and I will end up in sh*t creek if I don't face up to the facts - I know it would be in my best interest to sign rather than give them the finger ?
If a party who always answer a question with a question; a party who vote no to everything almost all of the time; a party who talk out of one side of their face in one country and the other side in another country ie. they impose austire measure when they are actually in power in the North but claim they wouldn't do they same here;
More important than that a party with an undeniable record in extreme cruelity, violence and torture; and a sole and explicite aim to acheive a United Island of Ireland at any cost - even one that will destroy this country for years to come - I would at the very least question why they were asking me to vote no -
The logical conclusion I would reach is that a no vote is highly likely to throw this country into a further state of disarry - like Germany after the first world war - extremist parties like Sinn Fein are more likely to see their numbers rise even further as things get worse and worse for all of us - like Germany after the first world war - a rise in numbers is what Sinn Fein want, at any cost to any one.
Businesses need to keep running if people are to keep their jobs - people need to keep their jobs to allow our social welfare system to remain effective - the banks have to be shored up to allow business to keep running -we have to vote yes to allow all this to happen
The above reasons leave me with to choices; I can refrain from voting (which I wouldn't do) or I can vote YES which I will do.
Again it never ceases to amaze me - how active Sinn Fein is - I doubt very much that the poll on boards will be in any way reflective of the actual voting in the treaty. Its very difficult to know what will happen but there is one certainty in life - reality is in short supply on this thread
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sparkling sea wrote: »While its very difficult to be sure with any degree of certainty what will happen in the future, I do know that if I was broke and someone was willing to lend me money, at a lower interest rate then I could get anywhere else and they asked me to sign an agreement to ensure, that neither my partners nor myself could walk ourselves into this typ of debt situation again - I would do it.
If I was in very severe debt because I over-borrowed and over-spent, (I like the high life) and no one was prepared to bail me out - accept one person, who offered me a loan and good interest rates but added a caveat that; I must acknowledge I have a long history of being incapable of balancing my own books; I must sign an agreement that will mean I have to be accountable and responsible when I am dealing with other peoples money: and I will end up in sh*t creek if I don't face up to the facts - I know it would be in my best interest to sign rather than give them the finger ?
If a party who always answer a question with a question; a party who vote no to everything almost all of the time; a party who talk out of one side of their face in one country and the other side in another country ie. they impose austire measure when they are actually in power in the North but claim they wouldn't do they same here;
More important than that a party with an undeniable record in extreme cruelity, violence and torture; and a sole and explicite aim to acheive a United Island of Ireland at any cost - even one that will destroy this country for years to come - I would at the very least question why they were asking me to vote no -
The logical conclusion I would reach is that a no vote is highly likely to throw this country into a further state of disarry - like Germany after the first world war - extremist parties like Sinn Fein are more likely to see their numbers rise even further as things get worse and worse for all of us - like Germany after the first world war - a rise in numbers is what Sinn Fein want, at any cost to any one.
Businesses need to keep running if people are to keep their jobs - people need to keep their jobs to allow our social welfare system to remain effective - the banks have to be shored up to allow business to keep running -we have to vote yes to allow all this to happen
The above reasons leave me with to choices; I can refrain from voting (which I wouldn't do) or I can vote YES which I will do.
Again it never ceases to amaze me - how active Sinn Fein is - I doubt very much that the poll on boards will be in any way reflective of the actual voting in the treaty. Its very difficult to know what will happen but there is one certainty in life - reality is in short supply on this thread.
If Sinn Fein where the only ones calling for a No vote you would have a point.
They're not and you don't.
This treaty is not about Ireland or the Euro. It is about Germany. It is Germany telling the rest of the Eurozone that if you don't start behaving like Germans you will get no more money. It is a guarantee for Germany that if they do put funds in to the ESM it will only go to countries that are prepared to adopt German laws.
The reality is that if Spain and Italy need a bail out there will be no money for us. If the Dutch are as bad as they are not telling us we're in trouble. If the French and the Belgians need a dig out Germany may well reinstate the Deutsch Mark.0 -
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OK, so we've established that you believe that the heads of government have conspired among themselves to destroy their respective countries. You think that this is a more reasonable explanation for their collective decision-making than the possibility that they have negotiated what they feel is the best compromise between their respective competing political agendas and in the collective best interests of the union as a whole.Happyman42 wrote: »
Have you looked around Europe lately????oscarBravo wrote: »Let's work on the assumption that even you don't believe the heads of government of the member states don't plan to kill themselves personally, and that instead you mean that those heads of state got together and agreed to kill their respective member states instead.
Seems to me that is precisely what is happening.
Now all you have to do is explain why all these people from their disparate national and political backgrounds are conspiring against the people who elected them.
Not that you're going to, because that's not how you roll.0 -
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