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Motorists encouraged to buy electric
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12-04-2010 8:00am#1
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Tht green fanny Eamon Ryan is diverting more of his communications budget into stupid green ideas I see.
The current generation of electric cars cannot make it to Galway and back to Dublin on a charge, they should not incentivise any electric car with a sub 300 mile range and that is that.
Won't stop Ryan babbling crap about it and wasting money though, or Cuffe
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Renault are about to release a 'range' of electric cars next year. They will have a range of 160km on average thanks to an "evolution" . It was 100km . Ryan has been heard babbling Ryan style about how wonderful they are.
Galway - Dublin is 200km FFS The shaggin renaults will not be able to do any inter city journey in Ireland and starting in Dublin bar maybe Dublin - Waterford and then they will probably be stranded down there 0 -
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These things have fuk all range. They will have fuk all range for another 8-10 years minimum.
We SHOULD be incentivising the creation of CHARGING POINTS at this time. If I get a grant to put a charging point in my yard I should have it connected to BB 24/7 and let people book a charging slot in it online and use that. If it generates its own electricity ( eg wind) it should get priority in the booking system when someone is looking for a charging slot.
No car parks should be allowed minus charging points, you should be able to book a car park and charging slot BOTH , online. Every time you leave the house you will be planning the next charge for the damn think anyway.
That is where the money needs to be spent. But Ryan is much too thick to conceive of a charging architecture matrix and too busy babbling his meaningless green sh1te to care.
Charging the feckin things with their 120km real world ranges and their 160km nominals is the key, once people know they wont be caught short they will adopt the things...up to a point anyway. 0 -
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Most of our generation capacity is Hydrocarbon and will be for the next 20 years given how policy is formulated here ( it is not ) . There has been a shift from oil to gas in recent years, that is all.
Wind is too intermittent to be considered 'capacity' . We can go from 1000Mw at best to 20Mw at worst with the exact same wind plant.
Nor do we allow "spillover" where surplus electricity is fed back to the grid from your solar ( if available
obviously ). We need a very sophisticated approach to charging points but the greens are too thick to come up with it and refuse to admit the problem because they are green.
EG
1. Cars have feck all range, if you go to Connemara for the weekend you will need a charge or two enroute and while there .
2. As there are feck all charging points in Connemara there should be a bidding system for slots on the charger.
3. Based on the market price highest bidder gets the slot, the rest are dynamically queued. If they increase their bids they get bumped up. How do you tell the others they are outbid, there is bugger all mobile infrastructure in Connemara and data prices are too high on mobile networks
4. If charging points in Connemara are a nice earner because of bid prices for a slot then that incentivises the installation of more capacity based on a MARKET for them.
5. A car will charge in 3-4 hours but the night rate lasts 8-10 hours, should one car be allowed to tie it up all night when it could charge 3 cars ?? Should 3 cars park and plug in and bid for these night slots and be charged in sequence. When should the slots be allocated, by 8pm or 10pm ?? Should dynamic queuing based on bids for NIGHT slots have a cutoff of 7pm so that people can plan ???
6. Should there be a rebate on the meter standing charge for night time electricity if you have a car charging station AND are on the bidding and queing national grid matrix ??
7. What about insurance and liability, should there be a legal exemption from house insurance for cars on your charger BUT also on your property albeit ONLY to be charged ??
8. Should you have to pay coproration tax or income tax on any windfall profit, you could make a lot of profit if you had a charger during that feshtival in July ???
etc etc etc etc
None of this has been considered by our thicko greens and yet it is all most logical 0 -
Sponge Bob wrote: »Most of our generation capacity is Hydrocarbon and will be for the next 20 years given how policy is formulated here ( it is not ) . There has been a shift from oil to gas in recent years, that is all.
Wind is too intermittent to be considered 'capacity' . We can go from 1000Mw at best to 20Mw at worst with the exact same wind plant.
Nor do we allow "spillover" where surplus electricity is fed back to the grid from your solar ( if available obviously ). We need a very sophisticated approach to charging points but the greens are too thick to come up with it and refuse to admit the problem because they are green.
EG
1. Cars have feck all range, if you go to Connemara for the weekend you will need a charge or two enroute and while there .
2. As there are feck all charging points in Connemara there should be a bidding system for slots on the charger.
3. Based on the market price highest bidder gets the slot, the rest are dynamically queued. If they increase their bids they get bumped up.
4. If charging points in Connemara are a nice earner because of bid prices for a slot then that incentivises the installation of more capacity based on a MARKET for them.
5. A car will charge in 3-4 hours but the night rate lasts 8-10 hours, should one car be allowed to tie it up all night when it could charge 3 cars ?? Should 3 cars park and plug in and bid for these night slots and be charged in sequence. When should the slots be allocated, by 8pm or 10pm ?? Should dynamic queing based on bids have a cutoff of 7pm ???
6. Should there be a rebate on the meter standing charge for night time electricity if you have a car charging station ??
7. What about insurance and liability, should there be a legal exemption from house insurance ??
etc etc etc etc
None of this has been considered by our thicko greens
We can just wait to see what England do and copy them!0 -
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We do, for just over a year now.Sponge Bob wrote: »Nor do we allow "spillover" where surplus electricity is fed back to the
Very simple solution: don't travel to barren or remote places then.Sponge Bob wrote: »Cars have feck all range, if you go to Connemara for the weekend you will need a charge or two enroute and while there .
Am I missing something about Connemara?Sponge Bob wrote: »As there are feck all charging points in Connemara there should be a bidding system for slots on the charger.
I must go to Connemara. Feels like I'm missing somthing.Sponge Bob wrote: »there is bugger all mobile infrastructure in Connemara
Do GoBus serve Connemara? What time's the next bus?Sponge Bob wrote: »If charging points in Connemara
Car, like its owners, is usually at home at night.Sponge Bob wrote: »A car will charge in 3-4 hours but the night rate lasts 8-10 hours, should one car be allowed to tie it up all night when it could charge 3 cars ??
You're already getting half price electricity.Sponge Bob wrote: »Should there be a rebate on the meter standing charge for night time electricity if you have a car charging station ??
I don't think Connemara is high on their agenda.Sponge Bob wrote: »None of this has been considered by our thicko greens0 -
I don't think Connemara is high on their agenda.
It is, but only for shaggin bicycle safaris
This is allegedly a national plan but rural Ireland is meant to subsidise this technology in urban areas where the green TDs are. And yet the greatest opportunity for green charging is in the windy west.
Dublin charging will be carbon based Not green at all . 0 -
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No, I think you'll find it's the other way around. There are more tax payers in urban areas, who subsidise roads, schools, and services in general in rural areas.
We would soon see how smart and green Ryan was if Wickila started to charge for ITS water that Dublin takes off it
These vehicles are clearly only limitedly fit for purpose in urban areas like Dublin and it follows that the whole electric car scam is an urban subsidy unsubtly cloaked as a green initiative.
More smart green drivel from Eamon Ryan. The batteries and the waste will obviously be dumped in rural areas, of course, same as always . 0 -
Sponge Bob wrote: »Most of our generation capacity is Hydrocarbon and will be for the next 20 years given how policy is formulated here ( it is not ) . There has been a shift from oil to gas in recent years, that is all.
Wind is too intermittent to be considered 'capacity' . We can go from 1000Mw at best to 20Mw at worst with the exact same wind plant.
Please have a look at www.spiritofireland.org all of the above has been rectified very simply and will be coming soon, fingers crossed.Sponge Bob wrote: »Nor do we allow "spillover" where surplus electricity is fed back to the grid from your solar ( if available obviously ). We need a very sophisticated approach to charging points but the greens are too thick to come up with it and refuse to admit the problem because they are green.
Yes we do I actually read it here last year, dont have a link but I'm sure you can search.Sponge Bob wrote: »1. Cars have feck all range, if you go to Connemara for the weekend you will need a charge or two enroute and while there .
I presume you will be there longer than 5 minutes? Can you not charge it up?Sponge Bob wrote: »2. As there are feck all charging points in Connemara there should be a bidding system for slots on the charger.
ESB to provide 1500 charge points by end of year nationwideSponge Bob wrote: »3. Based on the market price highest bidder gets the slot, the rest are dynamically queued. If they increase their bids they get bumped up. How do you tell the others they are outbid, there is bugger all mobile infrastructure in Connemara and data prices are too high on mobile networks
What?Sponge Bob wrote: »4. If charging points in Connemara are a nice earner because of bid prices for a slot then that incentivises the installation of more capacity based on a MARKET for them.
5. A car will charge in 3-4 hours but the night rate lasts 8-10 hours, should one car be allowed to tie it up all night when it could charge 3 cars ?? Should 3 cars park and plug in and bid for these night slots and be charged in sequence. When should the slots be allocated, by 8pm or 10pm ?? Should dynamic queuing based on bids for NIGHT slots have a cutoff of 7pm so that people can plan ???
Also the ESB will put in a home charge point for the first customers to avail of these cars. Why would you queue to charge your car overnight? Do you do the same with your phone?
Also alot of these cars will be capable of a 80% charge from these ESB charge points in 10 minutes or less. So how is that any different to pulling in to a petrol station filling up your car, going into shop, get a sambo, paper coffee and pay and away you go. There isn't much in it?
Anyway I'm looking forward to this new tech, in a few yearswe'll wonder what all the fuss was about. Here's hoping anway?0 -
gpjordanf1 wrote: »Also the ESB will put in a home charge point for the first customers to avail of these cars. Why would you queue to charge your car overnight? Do you do the same with your phone?
Also alot of these cars will be capable of a 80% charge from these ESB charge points in 10 minutes or less.
Now that is different. If they can be topped up usefully in 10 minutes they start to make sense. Yet I believe this is impossible. I also believe that chargers will be incompatible between cars save for SLOW charging over many hours and will be car specific for fast or fast(ish) like mobile chargers are and always have been.
The Renault Fluence will allow an ultra quick charging option. You will swap a FULLY CHARGED battery INTO the car and leave the old one behind at the charging point. They call this "Quickdrop".
This "Quickdrop" is what Ryan is announcing today, it is pure bollox. They weight a ton FFS and require a contraption UNDER the car for removal and insertion Look at this video, and LAUGH!!!!
I am very sceptical that anyone will be cable to rapidly charge to 80% in any less than 1 to 3 hours and a full charge will take 8-10 hours.0 -
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Perhaps the reason it will have an urban bias is because it's easy to provide the infrastructure there? One charging station in Dublin will serve tends of thousands of people. One charging station in Connemara will serve a few hundred. Also there are more cars and more pollution in an urban environment so changing some of them to electric will have a bigger impact (assuming reducing pollution is the goal). Do you think car based airbourne pollution is a big problem in Connemara?
You know Mark that all makes perfect sense. Electric cars will be an urban technology for short runs for at least the next 10 years. They will be utterly impractical in rural areas given the charging/range problems.
I merely pointed out these problems, what I like to call the "Connemara Conundrum" . How does one get there and get around there and get back to D4 ina weekend. The answer is one does not and will not. These are uttterly impractical outside the M50.
Therefore they should always be presented as an urban initiative and the subsidies will always be to urban areas. I do not disagree with that but I do insist that some honesty prevails on teh matter
Once the range and charging problems are substantially licked there will be no further subsidies, charging will become a commodity like petrol pumps. Ireland is a small country, 400km from one end to the other. Once range doubles to 300km for the same battery/weight ratio it will be game on.
Our greens, however, are much too thick to make them a commuter belt prospect never mind a rural or mixed use prospect. The best thing for commuters, like BK said, is to stay at home until the rush hour is over and optimally cruise to work on empty roads. This green figleaf is to allow d4 mammies to pretend to be green on school runs, that is all.
But a NATIONAL initiative this most certainly is not. For NATIONAL use you need a sophisticated mechanism for predicting and obtaining your next charge or indeed fractional charge and Ryan has done nothing as communications minister to deliver the communications that would underpin such a predictive mechanism.
Logically the car would know where the next charge will be and when and would be told that in real time and brought to it on autopilot by GPS. It would be a dynamic auction system, you would pay a premium for convenience and speed and for the guarantee of a charging slot at peak periods. The rest of the time you would drive up and plug in.
Ryan does not care anyway, his political career is over but sadly we still have to listen to his babbling green irrelevant sh1te until he slopes off the stage
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The ironic thing is that if we had a high quality broadband network to every home in Ireland and incentivised companies to let their employees work from home (where possible),we would vastly reduce pollution more
Yes I completely agree with this, a great Idea. A tiny country like this should have broadband in every home, and by extension this tiny country should be easily served by electric vehicles. And as such we should become market leaders in research in this area along with green energy research. What we have on our door steps is amazing, wind, sea & solar power should be utilized for all our needs and for export of energy too.starting with the civil servants
no, no, no, no, This is so wrong I dont know where to start with that one
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I well remember the Top Gear Tesla test GPJ , the range was ...shall we say...unproven ...unless you are an Irish green that is where the range does not matter as it potters over and back across the grand canal.
Jeremy really wanted that car to deliver, you can see that clearly.
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Sponge Bob wrote: »I well remember the Top Gear Tesla test GPJ , the range was ...shall we say...unproven ...unless you are an Irish green that is where the range does not matter as it potters over and back across the grand canal.
Jeremy really wanted that car to deliver, you can see that clearly.
Hey Sponge Bob
It was fun watching that again, whats that a couple of years back? Also thats the roadster prototype a pure sports car to get the media attention. This new TeslaS is the money maker, just look at the figures. I'll be buying one for sure.
You asked for a quick charging, cross country mileage, beautiful family car and here it is, the Tesla S. Welcome to the future of motoring.
Tesla S : "With a range up to 300 miles and 45-minute QuickCharge, the Model S can carry five adults and two children in quiet comfort – and you can charge it from any outlet, without ever stopping for gas. World’s first mass-produced electric vehicle offers performance, efficiency and unrivaled utility for a base price of $49,900*, making it the only car you’ll ever need."
And Clarkson and Co promote battery cars, ha ha, never mate, as he said himself its snowing in hell!
Funny though!
When is this announcement anyway?0 -
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