Random Wrasslin' thoughts.....

gimmick · 02-06-2013 1:18am #1

So this is a thread for your musings which do not deserve an entire thread of its own.

For example

I just watched Card Subject To Change. Horrific to think that since its been made the following has happened -

Kamala has become an amputee

Sensational Sherrie, Paul Bearer and Trent Acid are dead

Had Kevin Sullivan and Nancy stayed together one of Wrestlings darkest moments would be completely different or never would have happened.

Lacey Von Erich almost became a diva. She is also crazy hot. Pure nom.

I also mused that even while Sherri was a dispicable heel while she was on tv she may well have been my first celeb crush.

All this in one lazy evening.

GTR63 · 02-06-2013 3:17am

Good thread idea Gimmick. Been noticing that for someone who apparently runs Raw vickie guerrero is barely on the show, then again most of the show is booked using a photocopier.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 02-06-2013 7:12am

I think Reid Flair would have made something of himself, he was young in wrestling terms only 25. I remember Ric's encouraging comments when he made his debut in Charlotte at the tail end of 08.

I heard there was positive feedback to his work in Japan early this year, I feel very bad for the Nature Boy, he lost the son who was going to carry his mantle. The name 'Flair' will die with him now.

Ando's Saggy Bottom · 02-06-2013 10:16am

I think WWE will eventually turn the Shield face and feud them with the Wyatt family. Could be amazing.

I used to think Benoit was the greatest wrestler ever in terms of ring work but now I firmly believe D Bryan is better and has ten times the personality thrown in. Not a statement I make lightly but he's just so so good. I went absolutely mental for his crazy destruction of the Shield on Smackdown. He's almost perfect.

ShagNastii · 02-06-2013 11:42am

As a happy little 7 year old I wrote into Sean Mooney requesting a "fan match" for one of WWF's hugely entertaining coliseum videos.

Twenty years on I'm still waiting to see if Papa Shango could beat The Ultimate Fighter Kama. My request complete ignored and denied.

Mooney was always one of my heroes but in hindsight he was nothing but an utter tosspot.

rossie1977 · 02-06-2013 2:43pm

seth rollins and dean ambrose were 4 years old and reigns was 5 the night sting won his first hw title (then aged 31 years old) at gab 1990...think about that for a second when sting main events tnas 2nd biggest ppv of the year later tonight

wrestlemania 29 did more money in ticket sales than wrestlemania 3, 17, 18 and 19 COMBINED

Coutinho 10 · 02-06-2013 3:07pm

If Jim Cornette could keep his mouth shut. We could have him back in the WWE running his own fraction against Paul Heymans and The shield and then maybe just maybe Vince would say feck it lets have a WarGames PPV.

I would pay for that no matter how bad it turned out and would be happy to see a new WarGmes match.

Reganio 2 · 02-06-2013 6:13pm

WWF 1998 was very average, you had Jim Cornette bringing the NWA in, besides the main event fueds it was utter toss, even then the main event is just Austin giving out about something stunnering whoever and Vince giving out about. Nostalgia is a beautiful thing.

I always thought Orlando Jordan deserved better.

gimmick wrote: »

Had Kevin Sullivan and Nancy stayed together one of Wrestlings darkest moments would be completely different or never would have happened.

Sorry I don't know much about the older days but what is this story?

gnfnrhead · 02-06-2013 6:26pm

Reganio 2 wrote: »

Sorry I don't know much about the older days but what is this story?

She went on to marry a certain Mr. Benoit.

GTR63 · 02-06-2013 6:26pm

Reganio 2 wrote: »

Sorry I don't know much about the older days but what is this story?

She married Benoit

Reganio 2 · 02-06-2013 6:28pm

Oh...... Well that is awkward so.

Coutinho 10 · 02-06-2013 7:34pm

Reganio 2 wrote: »

WWF 1998 was very average. Nostalgia is a beautiful thing.

Sorry I don't know much about the older days but what is this story?

WWF 1998 = Mike Tyson (far from average or maybe I am full of Nostalgia)

She left Kevin Sullivan for Chris. You should look up Hulk Hogans thoughts on Kevin Sullivan and Nancy. It highlight how nuts Hogan is.

Riddle101 · 02-06-2013 8:10pm

Ando's Saggy Bottom wrote: »

I think WWE will eventually turn the Shield face and feud them with the Wyatt family. Could be amazing.

I used to think Benoit was the greatest wrestler ever in terms of ring work but now I firmly believe D Bryan is better and has ten times the personality thrown in. Not a statement I make lightly but he's just so so good. I went absolutely mental for his crazy destruction of the Shield on Smackdown. He's almost perfect.

Really? I think Benoit is one of the greatest wrestlers in terms of ring work. Bryan is the best today for sure, but I wouldn't put him in a top 5 list of all time. But I would put Benoit.

As for my thoughts.
I think a lot of wrestling careers a made through luck. It's said that Triple H was supposed to win King of the Ring 96 until the Curtain Call incident happened. He got punished and Stone Cold won it instead and made his infamous 3:16 speech. What if HHH actually won it, where would Stone Cold be. Likewise would Chris Jericho have become the first undisputed champion when he did, if Triple H hadn't gotten injured. I feel like HHH would have been the first if he didn't get injured in 2001.

rossie1977 · 02-06-2013 8:23pm

Riddle101 wrote: »

Really? I think Benoit is one of the greatest wrestlers in terms of ring work. Bryan is the best today for sure, but I wouldn't put him in a top 5 list of all time. But I would put Benoit.

in 10 years time barring serious injury bryan will have surpassed benoit in every way imo, bryan is also working in an environment where alot of his offence is curtailed, bryan blows benoit away in terms of charisma and likeability, from what i see people have it all wrong, bryans the mick foley of this generation not the chris benoit

on another topic had the new monday night wars that started on january 4th 2010 followed the exact same road as the original wars then:

by september 2010 impact would be beating raw every week and tna would biggest wrestling promotion on earth for the next 2 years, the fingerpoke would have happened last month (may 2013) and tna would be out of business completely by july 2015

incredible to think how quickly wcw rose and fell back down again

Omackeral · 02-06-2013 9:35pm

Mr.Perfect, Ravishing Rick Rude and British Bulldog were never WWE Champions.

The Miz and Vince McMahon have been.

Riddle101 · 02-06-2013 10:04pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

in 10 years time barring serious injury bryan will have surpassed benoit in every way imo, bryan is also working in an environment where alot of his offence is curtailed, bryan blows benoit away in terms of charisma and likeability, from what i see people have it all wrong, bryans the mick foley of this generation not the chris benoit

10 years is an awful long time, but who knows really. After 20/30 years, people still speak highly about guys like Terry Funk, Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes, Ricky Steamboat etc. I'm sure Benoit, Angle, Guerrero etc will be remembered in 10/20 years etc.

As for Bryan surpassing Benoit. Who knows, but remember we're talking about in ring ability. As far as surpassing him in the ring goes, we'll have to wait a see but I don't see it.

rossie1977 · 03-06-2013 12:18am

Riddle101 wrote: »

As far as surpassing him in the ring goes, we'll have to wait a see but I don't see it.

how much of bryans work outside wwe have you seen exactly, for me he was better than benoit in 2005 and 2006 and i ain't the only one who thinks that way because he was winning best technical wrestler on the end of year observer awards back then while benoit was still active

bryan also never got to wrestle with the likes of eddie, rey, jericho, angle in their primes

GTR63 · 03-06-2013 12:51am

Just flicked on Vintage collection they just showed the corperate ministry vs the union from Over the Edge 99, an odd choice given what happened that nite.

Ando's Saggy Bottom · 03-06-2013 12:58am

Riddle101 wrote: »

10 years is an awful long time, but who knows really. After 20/30 years, people still speak highly about guys like Terry Funk, Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes, Ricky Steamboat etc. I'm sure Benoit, Angle, Guerrero etc will be remembered in 10/20 years etc.

As for Bryan surpassing Benoit. Who knows, but remember we're talking about in ring ability. As far as surpassing him in the ring goes, we'll have to wait a see but I don't see it.

I think in-ring Bryan is already better than all of them and that's without being given half the spot Benoit was given. The stuff he was doing on the Indies alone is better than anything Benoit did outside WWE. If Bryan gets extended feuds and long matches with the best workers in WWE, like Benoit did in his time, I think lots will come round to my way of thinking.

gerrybbadd · 03-06-2013 1:04am

97 /98 might not have been a vintage year, but still a lot better than we are being fed today. I place Benoit next to Bret Hart in legitimacy, amazing technical wrestler. D. Bryan coming third. He could easily surpass those guys given the opportunity to. He needs a guy like Ziggler to sell the moves in order to get him over big i think.

Riddle101 · 03-06-2013 2:47am

rossie1977 wrote: »

how much of bryans work outside wwe have you seen exactly, for me he was better than benoit in 2005 and 2006 and i ain't the only one who thinks that way because he was winning best technical wrestler on the end of year observer awards back then while benoit was still active

I've seen his Ring of Honor stuff anyway. But that's about it. As for the rest. 2005/06 Benoit was still pretty consistent in the ring. His best of seven series with Booker T was pretty good, as were his matches with MVP. But even if Bryan beats him in those years, let's remember his career is not defined by those two years. Not when you consider the stuff he did before.

As for the part about the observer awards. Benoit has won a observer awards too. Doesn't really indicate much.

bryan also never got to wrestle with the likes of eddie, rey, jericho, angle in their primes

No but he did get the wrestle with the orginal ROH guys and many more who are among the best wrestlers today. You know the guys that helped build ROH and left a mark on it. Guys like Nigel McGuniess, Austin Aries, Homicide, Low ki etc.

Ando's Saggy Bottom wrote: »

I think in-ring Bryan is already better than all of them and that's without being given half the spot Benoit was given. The stuff he was doing on the Indies alone is better than anything Benoit did outside WWE. If Bryan gets extended feuds and long matches with the best workers in WWE, like Benoit did in his time, I think lots will come round to my way of thinking.

So if we're to compare everything Bryan did on the indies, to everything Benoit did outside of of WWE, Bryan would have him beat? Benoit's matches in Japan, WCW, ECW etc. His matches with the likes of Jushin Liger, Great Sasuke and many other japanese wrestler, they don't compare to anything Bryan has done?

Also, the thing is Bryan hasn't exactly had any matches that would define his career in WWE thus far. Yes he's had some good matches, but when you think of Benoit and how he's had great matches, ones that will be remembered in years to come while Bryan hasn't. Well we're still waiting for his time. Considering the product we have today, I think Bryan will be lucky to even have one or two classic matches. But I do hope Bryan will get the chance, and give us some thumping good matches because I am a fan of Bryan's as well.

Ando's Saggy Bottom · 03-06-2013 8:35am

Riddle101 wrote: »

So if we're to compare everything Bryan did on the indies, to everything Benoit did outside of of WWE, Bryan would have him beat? Benoit's matches in Japan, WCW, ECW etc. His matches with the likes of Jushin Liger, Great Sasuke and many other japanese wrestler.....

Were Benoit's New Japan matches really aul that great? The ones that get pimped the most are the 94 and 95 J Cup matches which by the very nature of the tournament tend to be rather rushed affairs. The stuff Bryan did with Aries, Nigel, Joe, Ki, Morishima, Gibson, Strong on the Indies is a far better and deeper body of work IMHO.

garhjw · 03-06-2013 12:31pm

Benoit was pumped up to the gills on roids and god knows what else whereas Bryan is not. For that reason, Bryan is far more impressive inring

GTR63 · 03-06-2013 12:43pm

garhjw wrote: »

Benoit was pumped up to the gills on roids and god knows what else whereas Bryan is not. For that reason, Bryan is far more impressive inring

Erm Steroids can't make you a better wrestler it just makes you physically look more impressive. I doubt if Garret Bischoff juiced he'd turn into a real in ring talent.

garhjw · 03-06-2013 12:56pm

GTR63 wrote: »

Erm Steroids can't make you a better wrestler it just makes you physically look more impressive. I doubt if Garret Bischoff juiced he'd turn into a real in ring talent.

They improve your strength, power, conditioning and endurance so I would disagree. If Benoit wasn't juiced up he couldn't have performed the same way.

mrkiscool2 · 03-06-2013 12:57pm

garhjw wrote: »

They improve your strength, power, conditioning and endurance so I would disagree. If Benoit wasn't juiced up he couldn't have performed the same way.

Well, if they improve conditioning and endurance why was The Rock so wrecked for each match he was in when he came back?

rossie1977 · 03-06-2013 12:59pm

Riddle101 wrote: »

As for the part about the observer awards. Benoit has won a observer awards too. Doesn't really indicate much.

yes he did but bryan won it in 2005 and 2006 when benoit was still active which to me suggests alot of folks back then had bryan better than benoit

You know the guys that helped build ROH and left a mark on it. Guys like Nigel McGuniess, Austin Aries, Homicide, Low ki etc.

in fairness to low ki, homicide they were not on the same level as the likes of eddie, jericho or angle in 2000-02

Also, the thing is Bryan hasn't exactly had any matches that would define his career in WWE thus far. Yes he's had some good matches, but when you think of Benoit and how he's had great matches, ones that will be remembered in years to come while Bryan hasn't.

bryan so far in his wwe run has not been allowed showcase even a fraction of his overall in-ring talent, he was booked very weak until about late 2011, the only long singles ppv matches he has had since last year have all been superb vs sheamus at extreme rules and punk at otl/mitb, also that tlc match in december was a classic and he played a huge part in that

rossie1977 · 03-06-2013 1:01pm

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Well, if they improve conditioning and endurance why was The Rock so wrecked for each match he was in when he came back?

because he is over 40 and been out of the ring 10 years maybe

mrkiscool2 · 03-06-2013 1:04pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

because he is over 40 and been out of the ring 10 years maybe

Bollox. He was jacked on steroids and built as fcuk! If ringrust was the case Undertaker wouldn't be churning out MOTY candidates at Wrestlemania each year. Also, this is coming from A Rock fan, so it pains me to even say it!

garhjw · 03-06-2013 1:08pm

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Bollox. He was jacked on steroids and built as fcuk! If ringrust was the case Undertaker wouldn't be churning out MOTY candidates at Wrestlemania each year. Also, this is coming from A Rock fan, so it pains me to even say it!

I'd say the rock only concentrated on adding mass and didnt do any cardio. There are a lot of different types of PEDs. Rock added too much muscle too quickly

rossie1977 · 03-06-2013 1:09pm

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Bollox. He was jacked on steroids and built as fcuk! If ringrust was the case Undertaker wouldn't be churning out MOTY candidates at Wrestlemania each year. Also, this is coming from A Rock fan, so it pains me to even say it!

what is your point here exactly, steriods clearly help endurance otherwise the likes of lance armstrong wouldn't have taken then and how many baseballers have been done for steriods, thats a sport that requires a player to play 162 games over a 180 day period

taker clearly keeps himself in better ring shape than the rock

GTR63 · 03-06-2013 1:12pm

garhjw wrote: »

They improve your strength, power, conditioning and endurance so I would disagree. If Benoit wasn't juiced up he couldn't have performed the same way.

I think he could have as far as endurance goes he worked what 30/40 minutes at most its hardly unachieveable if he's clean, the strength thing makes no sense as the wrestlers help each other bumping.
Benoit like most Wrestlers took it to get noticed and stand out from the crusierweight crowd same as Eddie did I doubt he did it to improve ability. I didn't notice Chris Masters or Edge going through the floor when they went clean, quite the opposite happened actually.

garhjw · 03-06-2013 1:17pm

You can't say that taking Performance Enhancing Drugs doesn't improve performance. Thatscwhat they do. They don't just make you look better.

Omackeral · 03-06-2013 3:09pm

So this is now the Daniel Bryan/Benoit/Steroids thread?!

ShagNastii · 03-06-2013 3:47pm

I think the fact many Irish fans hold Davitt in a much much much much higher regard than Sheamus is a bit petty.

The guy is the first Irish WWE champ. When you think of the days of Hogan, UW and Bret Hart, the fact that we've had one of our own at the top of the WWE is huge.

03-06-2013 3:57pm

gerrybbadd wrote: »

97 /98 might not have been a vintage year, but still a lot better than we are being fed today.

97 was a great year in the WWF.

I'm not going by nostalgia either. I re watched the whole year a few months ago and enjoyed it just as much as I did back then.

Omackeral · 03-06-2013 4:16pm

ShagNastii wrote: »

The guy is the first Irish WWE champ. When you think of the days of Hogan, UW and Bret Hart, the fact that we've had one of our own at the top of the WWE is huge.

That's true but it's also a diluted accomplishment nowadays. In the 80's and 90's, only the top stars got the top strap. Hennig didnt get it, Neither did Rude or Scott Hall. Now that theres two belts, its not as big a deal. Sheamus wouldn't be touching the top brass (yet anyway) if there was only one top title.

Miz has been WWE Champion. That tells you all you need to know really.

Riddle101 · 03-06-2013 7:13pm

Ando's Saggy Bottom wrote: »

Were Benoit's New Japan matches really aul that great? The ones that get pimped the most are the 94 and 95 J Cup matches which by the very nature of the tournament tend to be rather rushed affairs. The stuff Bryan did with Aries, Nigel, Joe, Ki, Morishima, Gibson, Strong on the Indies is a far better and deeper body of work IMHO.

Well He got a 5 star rating from the observer, for his match with Great Sasuke in 1994(And yes it was during the Super J Cup). Not saying that that's the only thing to go by. But I think his work in Japan is nothing to be dismissive about either. At least when comparing it to Bryan's indy work.

rossie1977 wrote: »

yes he did but bryan won it in 2005 and 2006 when benoit was still active which to me suggests alot of folks back then had bryan better than benoit

Well I guess it depends on the body of work the wrestler does each year. Benoit didn't have any outstanding matches or fueds in those years, but Bryan did. Maybe he just wasn't up to giving it his all, like in the past. He did have to deal with nagging injuries, and he was 38/39 as well.

in fairness to low ki, homicide they were not on the same level as the likes of eddie, jericho or angle in 2000-02

Fair enough, but he still had great wrestlers to work with though. Good enough to put on some clinics.

bryan so far in his wwe run has not been allowed showcase even a fraction of his overall in-ring talent, he was booked very weak until about late 2011, the only long singles ppv matches he has had since last year have all been superb vs sheamus at extreme rules and punk at otl/mitb, also that tlc match in december was a classic and he played a huge part in that

I know it's a shame he get's restricted. But if Punk/Cena can have a great match in this day and age, then i'm sure it's only a matter of time before we see one from Bryan.

Ando's Saggy Bottom · 03-06-2013 7:32pm

Riddle101 wrote: »

Well He got a 5 star rating from the observer, for his match with Great Sasuke in 1994(And yes it was during the Super J Cup). Not saying that that's the only thing to go by. But I think his work in Japan is nothing to be dismissive about either. At least when comparing it to Bryan's indy work.

Not dismissing Benoit or his work at all. As I said earlier I've always rated him as the best ever in-ring until recently deciding Bryan is even better. None of that is an insult to Benoit, more snap indication of how stunningly good Bryan has become.

gnfnrhead · 03-06-2013 10:07pm

ShagNastii wrote: »

I think the fact many Irish fans hold Davitt in a much much much much higher regard than Sheamus is a bit petty.

The guy is the first Irish WWE champ. When you think of the days of Hogan, UW and Bret Hart, the fact that we've had one of our own at the top of the WWE is huge.

That's not petty. Devitt is simply a far better wrestler than Sheamus.

Besides that, Sheamus should never have won the WWE title, he wasnt ready but was work out buddies with Triple H so got pushed to the moon regardless. Devitt meanwhile has worked his way up based on his ability and ability alone. He'll be competing for the IWGP title within a year or so. At this point in time, the biggest title in all of Japan. I'd put it as the top title in wrestling today but thats personal preference. Winning a watered down title because you're buddies with the future boss isnt that great of an achievement. As has been mentioned, Miz has held the same title.

garhjw wrote: »

They improve your strength, power, conditioning and endurance so I would disagree. If Benoit wasn't juiced up he couldn't have performed the same way.

Scott Steiner was a very talented wrestler. Then he went the steroid route. His conditioning and endurance among others went to shite. Steiner is lucky to last 10 minutes these days. To tie into my next example, in 2002 Steiner was more roided up than ever and was dead on his feet after five minutes at the Royal Rumble. Based on your logic, the opposite should be true.

His opponent that night is my other example. Triple H. He was getting better and better but once he went the steroid route he gradually got worse. Had some of his best years, then steroids, then some of his worst years. Davey Boy Smith as well to show it isnt just those two. Could keep going and going but I think the point has been proven. All of them sacrificed ability for look.

Also, to prove it isnt a one way street, Chris Masters went the opposite way. He improved massively after ditching the steroids. He didnt look as good, but he was easily 10 times the wrestler.

Steroids make you look better, but they sure as hell dont help your performance. The only thing they might do is help with injuries. Saying a wrestler on steroids is better is completely wrong.

Jason Todd · 03-06-2013 10:21pm

This was my random thought today, I loved the Hurricane gimmick and thought Helms was a very good worker. Thought he should have been around tv for longer.

garhjw · 03-06-2013 10:27pm

gnfnrhead wrote: »

That's not petty. Devitt is simply a far better wrestler than Sheamus.

Besides that, Sheamus should never have won the WWE title, he wasnt ready but was work out buddies with Triple H so got pushed to the moon regardless. Devitt meanwhile has worked his way up based on his ability and ability alone. He'll be competing for the IWGP title within a year or so. At this point in time, the biggest title in all of Japan. I'd put it as the top title in wrestling today but thats personal preference. Winning a watered down title because you're buddies with the future boss isnt that great of an achievement. As has been mentioned, Miz has held the same title.

Scott Steiner was a very talented wrestler. Then he went the steroid route. His conditioning and endurance among others went to shite. Steiner is lucky to last 10 minutes these days. To tie into my next example, in 2002 Steiner was more roided up than ever and was dead on his feet after five minutes at the Royal Rumble. Based on your logic, the opposite should be true.

His opponent that night is my other example. Triple H. He was getting better and better but once he went the steroid route he gradually got worse. Had some of his best years, then steroids, then some of his worst years. Davey Boy Smith as well to show it isnt just those two. Could keep going and going but I think the point has been proven. All of them sacrificed ability for look.

Also, to prove it isnt a one way street, Chris Masters went the opposite way. He improved massively after ditching the steroids. He didnt look as good, but he was easily 10 times the wrestler.

Steroids make you look better, but they sure as hell dont help your performance. The only thing they might do is help with injuries. Saying a wrestler on steroids is better is completely wrong.

Over simplistic way of looking at it. Wrestlers such as Steiner and HHH just went for muscle mass, they didnt put any effort into cardio. PEDs allow youto train harder for longer and to operate at maximum for longer. There are plenty of other PEDs, not just steroids - HGH etc. there are plenty of smaller wrestlers out there using PEDs to improve performance.

Clearly you have a different opinion but you are saying that PEDs don't improve performance. Why are they called PEDs then?

Apologies I don't want to side track the thread.....

Ando's Saggy Bottom · 03-06-2013 11:56pm

Why do we have to put one of Seamus or Fergal down in order to say something nice about the other? Can we not just be happy we have two guys doing so well for themselves in the two biggest and best promotions around? Jaysus like.

Clemantis · 04-06-2013 10:23am

Ando's Saggy Bottom wrote: »

Why do we have to put one of Seamus or Fergal down in order to say something nice about the other? Can we not just be happy we have two guys doing so well for themselves in the two biggest and best promotions around? Jaysus like.

This. Also, the styles of wrestling they engage in are so different, its like comparing apples to oranges.

Ando's Saggy Bottom · 04-06-2013 1:52pm

Ando's Saggy Bottom wrote: »

I used to think Benoit was the greatest wrestler ever in terms of ring work but now I firmly believe D Bryan is better and has ten times the personality thrown in. Not a statement I make lightly but he's just so so good. I went absolutely mental for his crazy destruction of the Shield on Smackdown. He's almost perfect.

A few more performances like last night and everyone will be saying this.

gimmick · 04-06-2013 3:16pm

It amazes me that it is takes the likes of him to be in WWE before people take any notice. Or at least, not dismiss him.

It is the wrestling equivalent of the EPL fan who deems anyone who has not played in England to either be not up to it, or has yet to prove himself.

jaykhunter · 04-06-2013 4:21pm

Turn Orton heel. Turn Sheamus heel. Turn Cena heel. Heel heel heel. I'm walking in a heel wonderland.

You don't need to turn to freshen your character. You need to freshen your character. Or, get an interesting storyline. Turns are the laziest tool in creative's arsenal to 'fix' stale wrestlers - It's the follow through that matters.

DM_7 · 04-06-2013 5:14pm

I was never that into Benoits matches to begin with. I much preferred Eddie as a 'wrestletainer' and would have him well ahead of Benoit on my list of guys I like to watch.

Ando's Saggy Bottom · 04-06-2013 6:54pm

jaykhunter wrote: »

Turn Orton heel. Turn Sheamus heel. Turn Cena heel. Heel heel heel. I'm walking in a heel wonderland.

You don't need to turn to freshen your character. You need to freshen your character. Or, get an interesting storyline. Turns are the laziest tool in creative's arsenal to 'fix' stale wrestlers - It's the follow through that matters.

Just get them all to wrestle Bryan and everyone will think they're incredible again. :pac:

Ando's Saggy Bottom · 04-06-2013 7:00pm

gimmick wrote: »

It amazes me that it is takes the likes of him to be in WWE before people take any notice. Or at least, not dismiss him.

It is the wrestling equivalent of the EPL fan who deems anyone who has not played in England to either be not up to it, or has yet to prove himself.

Does this really happen much? Certainly not in here anyway?

He's on another level again these days. Its one thing getting a thousand hardcore smarks to cheer for you but its an altogether different thing getting over with an audience thats been programmed all their lives to see pasty cruiserweights as nobodies. Personality wise too he's developed so well. He's gotten tongue in cheek self deprecating silliness off to a fine art these days.

ShagNastii · 04-06-2013 7:24pm

Not a so much a wrasslin' thought but when you think of the concept of the XFL, it was probably destined to fail.

Imagine somebody setting up a rival "GAA championship" or even some kook trying to take on the EPL.

Random Wrasslin' thoughts.....

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