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Blonde bull for heifers?

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  • #52
    Bizzum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Bizzum


    Thanks for the kind comments on the stock. We have always tried to keep very good stock, using AI and a bit of luck we generally have achieved this.
    To answer a few questions:
    I notice no fertility issues with the Blondes that I can think of above any other breed we have.
    (We do try and keep replacements by AI bulls of decent maternal merit out of good cows that breed well, rear a calf well, and calve well>)

    Three of the cows are by Landais who is gone now. The other two were bought in, by a BA stockbull, out of cows that I knew!)

    Gestation length with the BA is at the top end of the scale, regularly going over 300 days.

    Pic 005 is the two BA x CH cows from earlier as calves, so their dams can be seen. Both were heifers calves, both calved unassisted.

    I think the BA worked out well on them heifers but if I had used a Lim it's likely the results would have been good too!


  • #53
    Richk2012
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    Bizzum wrote: »
    Pic 105: BA x CH Cow. Super breeder.
    Pic 128: BA x CH Cow. Super Breeder.
    Pic 115: BA x Lim heifer.
    Pic 013: BA x Lim Cow. Maybe the best cow at home!
    Pic 093: BA x AA Cow. Average breeder, except this year a very good CH bull calf.

    Fantastic stock Bizzum;)


  • #54
    bogman_bass
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    limo_100 wrote: »
    i used dep and he seems to be challenged height wise aswell so its just tuff to know what to use i think i'll use either FHZ or AZL. I wonder is RWS tall

    He isnt.

    If you want hight you wont do much better than VAP. Easy calved too.


  • #55
    limo_100
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    bogman_bass wrote: »
    He isnt.

    If you want hight you wont do much better than VAP. Easy calved too.

    funny enough i rang one og the breeding advisors on the back of the book and he said he'd recommond KYR said he's leaving great growty calves with lots of style. tbh i wouldnt have thought that of him. Anyone any experience with him??


  • #56
    Richk2012
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    redzerologhlen wrote: »
    I have a good few rockys in the pot and had about ten calves by him and wouldnt say hes hard calving at all. Found the calves lacked growth though. Reason I was thinking blonde was for the bit of scope. Nice to hear he is not hard calved though especially with blue cows. It seems to be hard to get a bit of thickness in a blonde but I checked up Kilmoney bruce on icbf and he did fairly well on the linear scoring.

    These are 3 Rocky calves from last year . I found him to be very good at bringing shape and easy calved too . [url][/url]


  • #57
    leg wax
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    have rocky lim heifers any milk, as i have one and thinking of selling her instead of keeping her.


  • #58
    redzerologhlen
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    Richk2012 wrote: »
    These are 3 Rocky calves from last year . I found him to be very good at bringing shape and easy calved too . [url][/url]
    Those are top class calves. Some shine off them too!!
    leg wax wrote: »
    have rocky lim heifers any milk, as i have one and thinking of selling her instead of keeping her.

    Was talking to one of the breeding advisors for munster before about it and he said he was bad for milk. One of the friends has a pb cow by him as well and she has very little milk. Saying that he has a few heifers kept out of milky cows but none have calved yet.


  • #59
    Bizzum
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    redzerologhlen wrote: »
    Saying that he has a few heifers kept out of milky cows but none have calved yet.

    Rocky has 1* for milk at low reliability, but 2* across breeds, so out of milky cows there is no reason why the heifers shouldn't be good enough.


  • #60
    Bodacious
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    bogman_bass wrote: »
    limo_100 wrote: »
    i used dep and he seems to be challenged height wise aswell so its just tuff to know what to use i think i'll use either FHZ or AZL. I wonder is RWS tall

    He isnt.

    If you want hight you wont do much better than VAP. Easy calved too.

    hi Bog,

    So this Vap is bringing height yet on that icbf linear assessment crack height measurement at withers he a midget, 20, dep is over 70 and SEU is the full 100.

    Often wonder about these measurements, age of bull at measurement, accuracy etc


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  • #61
    aghead
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    Bizzum wrote: »
    Pic 105: BA x CH Cow. Super breeder.
    Pic 128: BA x CH Cow. Super Breeder.
    Pic 115: BA x Lim heifer.
    Pic 013: BA x Lim Cow. Maybe the best cow at home!
    Pic 093: BA x AA Cow. Average breeder, except this year a very good CH bull calf.

    Fabulous stock bizzum, used a blonde bull, Aga Khan on two sa heifers last year, generally the case with said bull, and is it even worth keeping one of his heifer calves for breeding? Milk/fertility wise, calves not a patch on lim x, charls and salers of the same batch


  • #62
    pakalasa
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    From the ICBF site, these are the "Height Withers" values for some of the BB bulls mentioned

    DEP - 4.7
    FHZ - 4.6
    KYR - unknown
    VAP - 4.5


  • #63
    limo_100
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    pakalasa wrote: »
    From the ICBF site, these are the "Height Withers" values for some of the BB bulls mentioned

    DEP - 4.7
    FHZ - 4.6
    KYR - unknown
    VAP - 4.5

    where did ya get these figures pak?? does that repesent the height of the animal??


  • #64
    pakalasa
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    limo_100 wrote: »
    where did ya get these figures pak?? does that repesent the height of the animal??

    Put in the AI code for the bull and click on the 'Linear Type' tab. Then the 'Trait Distribution' tab. The values are in the 'Skeletal box' under the 'Progeny' column. Don't know what the values are exactly but can be used to compare.

    Or you can just look at the percentile value on the chart in the 'Linear Type' window. This might be better to compare.


  • #65
    limo_100
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    has anyone have an opinion on our used these blue bulls SEU and BCZ thinking of using them this spring.


  • #66
    teddd
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    Had to section a lim cow carrying SEU last year! Hes not easy calved, youd want a very wide cow and have her on restricted feeding pre calving and just hope for the best :D


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  • #67
    limo_100
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    teddd wrote: »
    Had to section a lim cow carrying SEU last year! Hes not easy calved, youd want a very wide cow and have her on restricted feeding pre calving and just hope for the best :D

    what was the quality of the calf like when you got him landed?


  • #68
    tismesoitis
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    yeh was at an open day on a farm about 6 mts back that guy had a crackin seu calf also born by section!


  • #69
    limo_100
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    tismesoitis wrote: »
    yeh was at an open day on a farm about 6 mts back that guy had a crackin seu calf also born by section!

    so there seems to be abit of an OVO about him then. The only reason id be interested in using him is hes very tall and its difficult to find a blue bull with that trait. Was the calf tall?


  • #70
    teddd
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    It was a very nice heifer calf, good bone, fairly tall and nice shape. got 1200 for her there in febuary, weight 350kg! but taking the section and all into account, a easier calved bull would be the way to go!!


  • #71
    limo_100
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    teddd wrote: »
    It was a very nice heifer calf, good bone, fairly tall and nice shape. got 1200 for her there in febuary, weight 350kg! but taking the section and all into account, a easier calved bull would be the way to go!!

    so ul hardly bother using him again so. Which bulls are you getting good results with?


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  • #72
    teddd
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    Had been getting good results with byu, hwn, ovo in the past, there gone now. also, kib bred some good calves! Couple of ross alo calves were ok, was expecting more! Belgian blue bull orme (ODY) from eurogene, nice calves off him and not that hard calved! Have used lgl on 3 cows, not calved yet though!


  • #73
    limo_100
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    teddd wrote: »
    Had been getting good results with byu, hwn, ovo in the past, there gone now. also, kib bred some good calves! Couple of ross alo calves were ok, was expecting more! Belgian blue bull orme (ODY) from eurogene, nice calves off him and not that hard calved! Have used lgl on 3 cows, not calved yet though!

    will you let me how you get on with LGL id be interested to see how he is. I will have an AZL calf in a few weeks and a DEP calf so hopefully the quality will be gud


  • #74
    RobinBanks
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    Just wondering about crossing Kilmoney Bruce (KCE) on a BYU cow. The cow herself is out of angus cow. Has anybody tried crossing a blonde bull on a blue cow before? The cow is black so I dont want to end up with a mousey coloured calf. I was going to give her CWI but would be interesed to hear if blue cow blonde bull is a good cross.


  • #75
    ceannfort
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    IMO the DAQ crossed with either a black or a blue is a great cross, adds lots of growth and keeps the style. the AA influence leaves them easier fleshed. Colour never worried me if the calf was off a good enough quality.


  • #76
    blue5000
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    RobinBanks wrote: »
    Just wondering about crossing Kilmoney Bruce (KCE) on a BYU cow. The cow herself is out of angus cow. Has anybody tried crossing a blonde bull on a blue cow before? The cow is black so I dont want to end up with a mousey coloured calf. I was going to give her CWI but would be interesed to hear if blue cow blonde bull is a good cross.

    Ya Robinbanks, bin there done that, won't be doing it again though unless something goes wrong with my angus bull. Had a big dopey calf that died after 3 days. Used a jack, as I thought it was an angus calf when I saw the black feet. Cow is ok but she'll be going towards paying the silage contractor:).

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #77
    Richk2012
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    RobinBanks wrote: »
    Just wondering about crossing Kilmoney Bruce (KCE) on a BYU cow. The cow herself is out of angus cow. Has anybody tried crossing a blonde bull on a blue cow before? The cow is black so I dont want to end up with a mousey coloured calf. I was going to give her CWI but would be interesed to hear if blue cow blonde bull is a good cross.

    Iv two Kilmoney Bruce calves here out of white belgian blue cows . Very easy calved , (maybe too easy :rolleyes:) .
    Both came brown and white . Il put up pictures of them later when i get a chance


  • #78
    leg wax
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    yes done that and you will have a mousey coloured calf.if she has a heifer calf and you dont like the colour leg wax will take her.i have one at the moment with a stq calf under her and its pure muscle.


  • #79
    RobinBanks
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    leg wax wrote: »
    yes done that and you will have a mousey coloured calf.if she has a heifer calf and you dont like the colour leg wax will take her.i have one at the moment with a stq calf under her and its pure muscle.

    Well I ended up giving her CWI legwax. If I had seen ur reply before the A.I man called i might have made a different choice! Ah well as long as she holds in-calf now anyway thats all that matters to me. I used KCE on the red whithead cow that had the good EDJ calf that i showed in the picture thread. That should be a decent cross. I might give KCE to the maine anjou heifers aswell


  • #80
    Bizzum
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    I haven't crossed a BB with a BA until this year We put a BB on a good BA cow so we shall see what happens.
    I have seen super stock off BBX cows and a Part bull.


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