Garden County Trophy

matt-dublin · 05-03-2012 2:52pm

thats pretty interesting alright Red, i wouldn't be keen on the defeatist atitude either, from a morale point of view we need to walk on the first knowing we can win with the attitude to support.

mixed bag in the peirce purcell, some good players but some woeful. We'd one fella inventing shots on the course that i think a pro wouldn't use whilst trying a trick shot in his spare time!

we haven't got the pairings quite right but my pairing did ok with the 35 points and a bucket of one pointers but again the defeatist atitude is about as well.

Im managing the provincial towns and Ill not entertain any of that rubbish.

At the end of the day the compitition is down to the quality of the golf and players, just because we're new to competitive matches IMO means we should be coming with something new and unexpected which from a mental perspective should give us the edge. Especially when you take into account the difficulty of thr course we play and the level of playing skill we actually have.

Redzah · 05-03-2012 3:09pm

matt-dublin wrote: »

thats pretty interesting alright Red, i wouldn't be keen on the defeatist atitude either, from a morale point of view we need to walk on the first knowing we can win with the attitude to support.

mixed bag in the peirce purcell, some good players but some woeful. We'd one fella inventing shots on the course that i think a pro wouldn't use whilst trying a trick shot in his spare time!

we haven't got the pairings quite right but my pairing did ok with the 35 points and a bucket of one pointers but again the defeatist atitude is about as well.

Im managing the provincial towns and Ill not entertain any of that rubbish.

At the end of the day the compitition is down to the quality of the golf and players, just because we're new to competitive matches IMO means we should be coming with something new and unexpected which from a mental perspective should give us the edge. Especially when you take into account the difficulty of thr course we play and the level of playing skill we actually have.

Yes exactly. This attitude comes more to the fore towards the back 9 in my opinion as a more experienced team would fight and dig in if they were down in a match and I just think our guys might be more accepting of the fact that they were losing as that is what was expected and then have an 'ah sure we gave it a go' attitude.

I plan on going far in the barton cup this year and I expect to be unbeaten for the rest of the year, however long that lasts. I've played 2 matches and lost the first one and don't plan on losing anymore. I want to give the team confidence in thinking that I am a point to rely on and that they need to win their match. I just think there is a huge difference between 'giving it your best shot' or expecting to win and it impacts on the golf played, decisions made and mental approach.

By the way, I could misreading this attitude but I just get a sense that this is the way and want a winning mentality installed in the squad.

matt-dublin · 05-03-2012 3:40pm

you should install it, who's your team captain and manager?

if they're not doing it someone should.

One thing i really saw during training during the weekend is pairings not communicating shots, like for my playing partner i asked him where he would like to be playing his next shot from so i could try and get it there rather than playing my game for that shot. same with him. and with putting/chipping we were always asking advice from each other from outside 5 feet thich i think is imperative but didn't see too much of on the other pairings.

I would always ask my teammate regardless who it is on his opinion just in case i see something incorrectly etc.

fancy some foresome on saturday morning off the whites??

Redzah · 05-03-2012 3:52pm

matt-dublin wrote: »

you should install it, who's your team captain and manager?

if they're not doing it someone should.

One thing i really saw during training during the weekend is pairings not communicating shots, like for my playing partner i asked him where he would like to be playing his next shot from so i could try and get it there rather than playing my game for that shot. same with him. and with putting/chipping we were always asking advice from each other from outside 5 feet thich i think is imperative but didn't see too much of on the other pairings.

I would always ask my teammate regardless who it is on his opinion just in case i see something incorrectly etc.

fancy some foresome on saturday morning off the whites??

Captain is SM. Nice fella and to be honest i don't think he is aware of this and possibly many others aren't either. I just think a meeting in the next few weeks down at the club to discuss a few things would be beneficial for all.

Ya i agree with your point on feeding off you partner and thinking of where he wants to be for the next shot.

Can't make it saturday but we'll get a game sometime soon, i'm down for the singles on sunday alright so want to get a good card in. Do u know if they have a gross prize now that the singles are 18 holes?

L.O.F.T · 05-03-2012 4:15pm

matt-dublin wrote: »

One thing i really saw during training during the weekend is pairings not communicating shots, like for my playing partner i asked him where he would like to be playing his next shot from so i could try and get it there rather than playing my game for that shot

Matt although your intentions are honest asking or communicating to your playing partner where he would like to be left for his next shot invites pressure your handicap dictates you cant reproduce consistently. In Pierce Purcell the format is five teams of Foursomes playing of a combined handicap of 27 and the minimum handicap being 12..
The best practice in the above format is hit as many greens and fairways as you can leaving your partner as easy a shot as possible. Consultation before each shot should be left to some form of encouragement and nothing more. There is nothing more farcical than seeing two man teams spending minutes before a shot discussing where to, how to and which club to hit boll-ox and then proceed to do nothing like their expectations for that given shot.
Hit the ball and get on with it and do it in a little strokes as possible. Over oversimplification, possibly? but at least its better to the alternative of mini summits before the shot is hit. The lower the handicaps the worse it gets.
Sorry for the off topic post.

matt-dublin · 05-03-2012 4:23pm

Very over simplified, and if i can hit a shot that my partner feels more comfortable playing then i will at least try.

If it doesn't pan out then it doesn't pan out but the approach you have above is similar to what has been said before. A 10 second conversation is it, not 3 minutes.

eg:
Where would you like to be playing your next shot from on the fairway?
Left side would be great, im scared of the bunker on the right.
Ok ill do my best.

Im not talking about: Can you put it 27 inches past the sprinkler from 93 yards out, that will give me perfect distance to land the ball 10 feet beyond the pin and pull it back.

either which way, its still less than a 1 min conversation, which also can be taken between shots or on the walk to the ball.

Your approach above seems somewhat haphazard and is probably why some people remain at high handicaps. If you think about your next shot, you've a better chance of doing something better with it. Hit and Hope should be reserved for the 20+ boys IMO

players of the 12-16 range are trying to improve and this is certainly one way they should be looking to do so.

Redzah · 05-03-2012 4:32pm

L.O.F.T wrote: »

Matt although your intentions are honest asking or communicating to your playing partner where he would like to be left for his next shot invites pressure your handicap dictates you cant reproduce consistently. In Pierce Purcell the format is five teams of Foursomes playing of a combined handicap of 27 and the minimum handicap being 12..
The best practice in the above format is hit as many greens and fairways as you can leaving your partner as easy a shot as possible. Consultation before each shot should be left to some form of encouragement and nothing more. There is nothing more farcical than seeing two man teams spending minutes before a shot discussing where to, how to and which club to hit boll-ox and then proceed to do nothing like their expectations for that given shot.
Hit the ball and get on with it and do it in a little strokes as possible. Over oversimplification, possibly? but at least its better to the alternative of mini summits before the shot is hit. The lower the handicaps the worse it gets.
Sorry for the off topic post.

L.O.F.T thinking your way around the golf course is half the battle and many 12-16 handicappers could be much lower if their course management was better. I completely disagree with your above point as foursomes format is all about consultation and strategy. Their were two former interprovincials on my barton shield team in my former club who hated one another but were put to play together. Both were exceptional individually but as a foursome they lost to two 3 handicappers as they played their own game each time it was their shot and it did not work as a combination as a result. Foursomes is all about consultation and getting the right combination to suit one anothers game.

L.O.F.T · 05-03-2012 5:33pm

I'm ruining the thread so I'll keep it brief but I stand by my thoughts.

matt-dublin wrote: »

Very over simplified, and if i can hit a shot that my partner feels more comfortable playing then i will at least try

I didn't say don't try, I said keep it simple.

Redzah wrote: »

L.O.F.T thinking your way around the golf course is half the battle and many 12-16 handicappers could be much lower if their course management was better

I never said that thinking around a course was not relevant. My point is one 12/16 handicapper asking another 12/16 handicapper to leave him left side/ right side of the fairway / green is nonsense and overly ambitious and creates unnecessary tension and such expectations, however honourable are making the game at that level more difficult than it needs to be.

Redzah · 05-03-2012 5:49pm

L.O.F.T wrote: »

I'm ruining the thread so I'll keep it brief but I stand by my thoughts.

I didn't say don't try, I said keep it simple.

I never said that thinking around a course was not relevant. My point is one 12/16 handicapper asking another 12/16 handicapper to leave him left side/ right side of the fairway / green is nonsense and overly ambitious and creates unnecessary tension and such expectations, however honourable are making the game at that level more difficult than it needs to be.

I'd argue that one should always focus on hitting it to a certain area of the fairway etc. no matter what ability as it focusses the mind on a particular point. The whole aim down the middle and hope it ends up on the fairway (what u call the keep it simple approach) is the reason many players hit wild shots because their focus is too general.

airguitar · 06-03-2012 8:16pm

Group 1
14.01 Woodenbridge 4(1) Driuds Heath 2(1)
22.01 Kilcoole 4.5(2) Woodenbridge 1.5
27.01 Arklow 4(2) Druids Heath(1) 2
04.02 Kilcoole 4(1) Arklow 2
12.02 Woodenbridge 3.5 (1) Wicklow 2.5 (0.5)
18.02 Kilcoole 4(2) Wicklow 2(1)
25.02 Wicklow 5(2) Druids Heath 1(0)
25.02 Woodenbridge 3(1) Arklow 3(1)
03.03 Kilcoole 2.5(1) Druids Heath 3.5(1)

Group 1
Kilcoole pld 4 - pts 15 - away wins 6
Woodenbridge pld 4 - pts 12 - away wins 4
Wicklow pld 3 - pts 9.5 - away wins 3.5
Arklow pld 3 - pts 9 - away wins 3
Druids Heath pld 4 - pts 8.5 - away wins 3

Group 2
11.02 Tulfarris 3(0) South County 3(0)
11.02 Blessington Lakes 5(2) Killerig 1(0)
18.02 Blessington Lakes 4.5(1.5) South County 1.5(0)
18.02 Tulfarris 4(1) Killerig 2(0)
25.02 Tulfarris 5(2) Blessington Lakes 1(0)
25.02 South County 3(1) Coollattin 3(1)
02.03 Coolattin 4(1) Tulfarris 2(0)

Group 2
Tulfarris pld 4 - pts 14 - away wins 3
B Lakes pld 3 - pts 10.5 - away wins 3.5
South County pld 3 - pts 7.5 - away wins 1
Coollatin pld 2 - pts 7 - aways wins 2
Killerig pld 2 - pts 3 - away wins 0

Fixtures
10.03 Coollattin v Killerig
11.03 Coollattin v B Lakes
South County v Killerig ??

sodbuster77 · 06-03-2012 8:32pm

airguitar wrote: »

Group 1
14.01 Woodenbridge 4(1) Driuds Heath 2(1)
22.01 Kilcoole 4.5(2) Woodenbridge 1.5
27.01 Arklow 4(2) Druids Heath(1) 2
04.02 Kilcoole 4(1) Arklow 2
12.02 Woodenbridge 3.5 (1) Wicklow 2.5 (0.5)
18.02 Kilcoole 4(2) Wicklow 2(1)
25.02 Wicklow 5(2) Druids Heath 1(0)
25.02 Woodenbridge 3(1) Arklow 3(1)
03.03 Kilcoole 2.5(1) Druids Heath 3.5(1)

Group 1
Kilcoole pld 4 - pts 15 - away wins 6
Woodenbridge pld 4 - pts 12 - away wins 4
Wicklow pld 3 - pts 9.5 - away wins 3.5
Arklow pld 3 - pts 9 - away wins 3
Druids Heath pld 4 - pts 8.5 - away wins 3

Group 2
11.02 Tulfarris 3(0) South County 3(0)
11.02 Blessington Lakes 5(2) Killerig 1(0)
18.02 Blessington Lakes 4.5(1.5) South County 1.5(0)
18.02 Tulfarris 4(1) Killerig 2(0)
25.02 Tulfarris 5(2) Blessington Lakes 1(0)
25.02 South County 3(1) Coollattin 3(1)
02.03 Coolattin 4(1) Tulfarris 2(0)

Group 2
Tulfarris pld 4 - pts 14 - away wins 3
B Lakes pld 3 - pts 10.5 - away wins 3.5
South County pld 3 - pts 7.5 - away wins 1
Coollatin pld 2 - pts 7 - aways wins 2
Killerig pld 2 - pts 3 - away wins 0

Fixtures
10.03 Coollattin v Killerig
11.03 Coollattin v B Lakes
South County v Killerig ??

I don't think this match is going ahead due to a lack of agreement on a date.

airguitar · 12-03-2012 12:09pm

Group 1
14.01 Woodenbridge 4(1) Driuds Heath 2(1)
22.01 Kilcoole 4.5(2) Woodenbridge 1.5
27.01 Arklow 4(2) Druids Heath(1) 2
04.02 Kilcoole 4(1) Arklow 2
12.02 Woodenbridge 3.5 (1) Wicklow 2.5 (0.5)
18.02 Kilcoole 4(2) Wicklow 2(1)
25.02 Wicklow 5(2) Druids Heath 1(0)
25.02 Woodenbridge 3(1) Arklow 3(1)
03.03 Kilcoole 2.5(1) Druids Heath 3.5(1)
10.03 Wicklow 4(2) Arklow 2(1)

Group 1
Kilcoole pld 4 - pts 15 - away wins 6
Wicklow pld 4 - pts 13.5 - away wins 5.5
Woodenbridge pld 4 - pts 12 - away wins 4
Arklow pld 4 - pts 11 - away wins 4
Druids Heath pld 4 - pts 8.5 - away wins 3

Group 2
11.02 Tulfarris 3(0) South County 3(0)
11.02 Blessington Lakes 5(2) Killerig 1(0)
18.02 Blessington Lakes 4.5(1.5) South County 1.5(0)
18.02 Tulfarris 4(1) Killerig 2(0)
25.02 Tulfarris 5(2) Blessington Lakes 1(0)
25.02 South County 3(1) Coollattin 3(1)
02.03 Coolattin 4(1) Tulfarris 2(0)
10.03 Coolattin 5(2) Killerig 1(0)
11.03 Blessington Lakes 2(0) Coollattin 4(1)

Group 2
Coollatin pld 4 - pts 16 - aways wins 2
Tulfarris pld 4 - pts 14 - away wins 3
B Lakes pld 4 - pts 12.5 - away wins 3.5
South County pld 3 - pts 7.5 - away wins 1
Killerig pld 3 - pts 4 - away wins 0

Final Coolattin v Kilcoole. Date & Venue TBC

Mr. Larson · 26-03-2012 9:24am

airguitar wrote: »

Group 1
14.01 Woodenbridge 4(1) Driuds Heath 2(1)
22.01 Kilcoole 4.5(2) Woodenbridge 1.5
27.01 Arklow 4(2) Druids Heath(1) 2
04.02 Kilcoole 4(1) Arklow 2
12.02 Woodenbridge 3.5 (1) Wicklow 2.5 (0.5)
18.02 Kilcoole 4(2) Wicklow 2(1)
25.02 Wicklow 5(2) Druids Heath 1(0)
25.02 Woodenbridge 3(1) Arklow 3(1)
03.03 Kilcoole 2.5(1) Druids Heath 3.5(1)
10.03 Wicklow 4(2) Arklow 2(1)

Group 1
Kilcoole pld 4 - pts 15 - away wins 6
Wicklow pld 4 - pts 13.5 - away wins 5.5
Woodenbridge pld 4 - pts 12 - away wins 4
Arklow pld 4 - pts 11 - away wins 4
Druids Heath pld 4 - pts 8.5 - away wins 3

Group 2
11.02 Tulfarris 3(0) South County 3(0)
11.02 Blessington Lakes 5(2) Killerig 1(0)
18.02 Blessington Lakes 4.5(1.5) South County 1.5(0)
18.02 Tulfarris 4(1) Killerig 2(0)
25.02 Tulfarris 5(2) Blessington Lakes 1(0)
25.02 South County 3(1) Coollattin 3(1)
02.03 Coolattin 4(1) Tulfarris 2(0)
10.03 Coolattin 5(2) Killerig 1(0)
11.03 Blessington Lakes 2(0) Coollattin 4(1)

Group 2
Coollatin pld 4 - pts 16 - aways wins 2
Tulfarris pld 4 - pts 14 - away wins 3
B Lakes pld 4 - pts 12.5 - away wins 3.5
South County pld 3 - pts 7.5 - away wins 1
Killerig pld 3 - pts 4 - away wins 0

Final Coolattin v Kilcoole. Date & Venue TBC

Anyone catch the result of this? My money would have been on Coollattin retaining it.

Fourcandle · 26-03-2012 9:31am

Coollattin won a very tight match in a three hole playoff, snatching victory from the jaws of defeat, great match played in great spirit, well done to both sides.

Garden County Trophy

Comments