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Shootings In France

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    tigger123 wrote: »
    And what are you basing that on?

    Just stating the obvious really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 41 blanchdub


    @Toby Take a Bow, I am not sure it is the most intolerant religion..but the Quran is defenity not tolerant at all. It is clearly violent and intolerant (especially if you are a non believer/free thinker or/and a woman) ... worth reading to make your own mind.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    blanchdub wrote: »
    @Toby Take a Bow, I am not sure it is the most intolerant religion..but the Quran is defenity not tolerant at all. It is clearly violent and intolerant (especially if you are a non believer/free thinker or/and a woman) ... worth reading to make your own mind.

    I never said it wasn't intolerant. But I'd love to know why BlaasForRafa thinks it's the most intolerant, preferably with examples.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Three explosions have been heard at a block of flats in the French city of Toulouse where a man suspected of killing seven people has been holed up.
    The city's deputy mayor confirmed an assault on the flat, surrounded by police for nearly 24 hours, had begun.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17469878


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Number of people killed by Islamist terrorist attacks in Europe since 2005 until this attack: 0
    Number of Islamist terrorist attacks in Europe in 2009 out of a total of 294: 1
    Number of Islamist terrorist attacks in Europe in 2010 out a total of 249: 3

    Of course you could always take the American approach with this and declare the suspect insane in which case it's not terrorism and the number of people killed by Islamic terrorism in Europe since 2005 remains at 0.

    I wouldn't do that though as I think it was a sickening terrorist outrage.

    But a bit of context doesn't go amiss.

    Read this and read the facts about the supposed "threat to our civilisation".
    http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/11/updated-europol-data-less-than-1-of-terrorist-attacks-by-muslims/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,889 ✭✭✭tolosenc


    I used to live in Toulouse. There is a dynamic in France, particularly in the Midi, which is hard to really grasp without actually spending time there. For the most part, Algerians have totally failed to integrate into the society as a whole and live in ghettoised neighbourhoods of tower block government apartments. The level of distrust and hatred between the Algerians (the majority of whom are born and raised in France) and the French is startling. The two do not mix. Similar in ways to the Traveller community here. There is a high amount of crime in these areas and they are quite hostile to outsiders (as I found out to the tune of a broken collar bone at one point).

    As a result, there is a feeling among Muslims that they are second class citizens (although any discrimination is either non-existant or mostly self inflicted). This has caused riots in Paris a few years back, and in no way helped in the case of this young man.

    That might sound like I'm defending him, actually. I'm not. Firing squad at dawn is fine by me.

    But to act in the way that he did is disgusting. I know that they want him alive, but I don't think that that is desireable. With Brehvik in Norway basically being deemed unfit to stand trial, a similar thing could happen here and he could have his punishment vastly reduced. Any non-compliance and the RAID (French SWAT) will shoot to kill.

    But yeah, kind of numbing to see your old metro station crawling with soldiers and something so horrible happening in places you know so well.
    Of course you could always take the American approach with this and declare the suspect insane in which case it's not terrorism and the number of people killed by Islamic terrorism in Europe since 2005 remains at 0.

    Well, no. It's actually 7 now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭Jack_Russell


    i cannot see how they are gonna take this nutter alive.

    he'll want to be killed and become a martyr, and receive his 22 virgins in heaven, endless supplies of Halal meat, a brand new celestial scooter and all that.

    he's planned for this for some months, so my guess the gaffe is choc full of explosives, just waiting to be detonated. he'll want to bring as many police/security officers with him as possible.

    but then the authorities know all this already.

    just a thought, but couldn't they contaminate the air vents with some type of fast-acting sleeping gas?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭LH Pathe


    Waited all day for tonights fireworks. I bet even Al Quaida are ashamed of random nutter associating himself, at what point is he coaxed into killing himself whilst failing to take as many with him as possible. yep... he's a stubborn one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,520 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Wow. People should be careful in what words they use to criticise Israel. People using strong rhetoric are indirectly responsible for these deaths...... Actually no they aren't.

    Crazy nuts will always turn out to be crazy nuts. Latching onto whatever floats their boat as their excuse for acting like crazy nuts. Be it saving Europe from Islamic domination or killing Jewish children as revenge on Israel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭Jack_Russell


    dsmythy wrote: »
    Wow. People should be careful in what words they use to criticise Israel. People using strong rhetoric are indirectly responsible for these deaths...... Actually no they aren't.

    Crazy nuts will always turn out to be crazy nuts. Latching onto whatever floats their boat as their excuse for acting like crazy nuts. Be it saving Europe from Islamic domination or killing Jewish children as revenge on Israel.

    it's all for God don't you know?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭SamHarris


    dsmythy wrote: »
    Wow. People should be careful in what words they use to criticise Israel. People using strong rhetoric are indirectly responsible for these deaths...... Actually no they aren't.

    Crazy nuts will always turn out to be crazy nuts. Latching onto whatever floats their boat as their excuse for acting like crazy nuts. Be it saving Europe from Islamic domination or killing Jewish children as revenge on Israel.

    Its "revenge" on Judaism and the Jewish race. I dont think people realise how much these people frame thier conflict in ethnic and religious tones, not national ones. All you have to do is look at what they teach in Saudi Arabian schools, or how well the protocols of the Elders of Zion sell in Middle Eastern countries, or even polls on public opinion towards Jews, to see the truth in this

    Jews are almost universally reviled throughout the middle east - respondants in Yemen to a recent poll had a 99% return who viewed them "negativly". Thats not Israelis, that is Jews. http://www.pewglobal.org/2006/06/22/the-great-divide-how-westerners-and-muslims-view-each-other/

    So yes people who claim it is merely a response to Israeli policies, no matter how much they then deride the attacks, are not only ignoring the fact that Arab goverment policies towards arabs and Palestinians specifcaly are often far more brutal and inhumane, they are tangentally making excuses for the persons behaviour. Ie, implying that if the Israelis would just leave everyone alone known of these groups / attacks would happen. I would recommend people actually look up what motivates these people and what their stated goals often are - I have news for them - its not often the establishment of a fair and democratic Palestinain state alongside a Jewish one that they want.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭SamHarris


    I never said it wasn't intolerant. But I'd love to know why BlaasForRafa thinks it's the most intolerant, preferably with examples.

    The most intolerant major religion, and with a nod to its massive diversity may be more apt. Its also worth pointing out that by far the most to suffer from this intolerance in some Islamic sects are the more tolerant Islamic sects (the obvious being the Suffi's in Pakistan).

    But before some actual figures, anecdotal evidence may just be anecdotal but to ignore the fact that 100's of people are targeted each year explicitly by Islamic terrorists because they do not follow islam (or again far more likely) they follow the wrong KIND of Islam cannot be disregarded. It is near daily. That you probably cannot point to one similiar attack by radical Christian group in the last 10 years may be the act of an enormous propoganda machine/ cognitive disonance but really should play into how you form an opinion about a given group.

    A recent poll on British Muslims found, for example that

    – 33% claim that killing is justified if done to protect religion.
    – 40 percent support the introduction of sharia for British Muslims.
    – 33 percent support a worldwide Islamic caliphate based on sharia.
    -36 percent of young British Muslims think apostates should be killed.
    -13 percent of young British Muslims said they “admired” Al Qaeda.
    16 percent of British Muslims support suicide bombing in Israel.
    -7 percent of British Muslims support suicide bombing in Britain.
    -33% of Muslims want Sharia Law as implemented in Saudi Arabia.
    -28% of muslims agreed they dreamt of Britain becoming an Islamic State.
    -78% wanted Danish cartoonist prosecuted.
    -68% want prosecutions for insulting Islam.
    -62% disagree with the freedom of speech if it insults religious sensibilities.
    -50% said British people who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-432075/Multiculturalism-drives-young-Muslims-shun-British-values.html (yes the daily mail, fortuntly its the figures one should look at.)

    Around 50% around the Muslim world support Hamas, whos goals are explicitly genocidal http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

    None found homosexuality acceptable.

    Really if your not fully aware of the well documented and well researched massive problems in Islam at this point then I really want to know where you get your news...


    Clearly its not only a problem, but it is a pretty damn big one. That we are here 11 years after 9 11 still debating whether its alright to recognise Islam has specific problems is nothing short of ridiculous. But then its not surprising, the far left seek to protect anything they deem sufficiently anti american, regarldess of their own goals and ambitions, whilst even the most mainstream and powerful Muslim orientated dialogue generators ( I think of al Jazeera) still have their entire programming based around a tone of self rightousness and self pitty. That such polls can fly under the radar so easily without being massivly commented on show the extent to which a little more self criticism may be needed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Funny Boards brings America into it and the French prosecutor did too. America just sent him back to France on the first flight apparently....

    If only there was a place they could have sent him and other extremists, perhaps on an Island somewhere?

    I'm not being serious with that either. I just find it pretty f'd up that people are so narky about America it get's brought up in most negative posts on here. Also that the French prosecutor deflects attention away from Frances failure to deal with this scumbag properly by tossing the blame to America. Ridiculous.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭LH Pathe


    Can't wait up :( what's the bets they storm his arse at dawn

    /probs too dangerous. it's dawn anyhow.. This might run and run


  • Registered Users Posts: 41 blanchdub


    Islam is at the same period that Christianity was in the Middle age...
    separation between the state and religion takes time...
    @Wompa1 the terrism attack can be done by scumbag as well as successfull people in their career.
    i.e. British-born Muslim doctor terrorist attack at glasgow Airport...
    So it is not so easy to prevent those attacks. We live in a democracy it is not so simple to lock people without evidence.
    ANy country can be the victim..including Ireland, you just need 1 fanatic. The UK understood it the hard way...after protecting Islamic extremists from Morocco and Algeria for years they changed their stance after the attacks in the UK ..
    "The refusal of British authorities to extradite Ramda was a point of contention between France and the UK, with many in France and elsewhere alleging that the British government was deliberately lenient to Islamist terrorists operating outside of the UK in order to buy peace in the UK (the alleged "Londonistan" policy)"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachid_Ramda


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    He's a murdering scumbag, but i hope he's taken alive , only so he doesn't become a martyr.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭brimal


    Reports say there was two gun shots heard overnight from inside the house and the negotiators haven't heard from him since.

    I don't think he's going to be found alive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    SamHarris wrote: »
    Thats not Israelis, that is Jews.

    I'd love to know how these figures correspond with Arabic feelings in the area towards Jews before the rise of Zionism in the area. It doesn't make it okay, but to ignore the historical reason for division in the area will mean current policies will be replicated again and again.
    SamHarris wrote: »

    Really if your not fully aware of the well documented and well researched massive problems in Islam at this point then I really want to know where you get your news...

    Oh, I'm well-aware of the problems in Islam, and I probably get my news from the same sources that you do (bar the Daily Mail), however my point was asking how Islam was the most intolerant religion. Your polls suggest a growing intolerance amongst Muslims in Britain. How does that compare to Muslims in Singapore? China (and is their 'extremism' okay because it's against a totalitarian state)? Dublin? You even mention yourself about the more 'tolerant' believers in Islam, so I guess you allow for differences within the religion, and then talk about it as if it was one huge organism.

    So, extremist Islam is a problem? No argument there. I wouldn't see a huge difference between extremist Islam and some of the extremist Hassidic sects out in 'Samaria and Judea'.
    SamHarris wrote: »
    Clearly its not only a problem, but it is a pretty damn big one. That we are here 11 years after 9 11 still debating whether its alright to recognise Islam has specific problems is nothing short of ridiculous.

    Is this a reference to my point? I hope not, as you seem to have (deliberately?) misinterpreted my point and put words into my mouth.
    SamHarris wrote: »
    But then its not surprising, the far left seek to protect anything they deem sufficiently anti american, regarldess of their own goals and ambitions, whilst even the most mainstream and powerful Muslim orientated dialogue generators ( I think of al Jazeera) still have their entire programming based around a tone of self rightousness and self pitty. That such polls can fly under the radar so easily without being massivly commented on show the extent to which a little more self criticism may be needed.

    You could say the same about some of the shows on CNN/Fox News. People who immerse themselves in one kind of story will be quite prone to generalising. Regarding the far left, that can be a problem but often it's a deliberate misinterpretation of an attempt to look beyond black-and-white interpretations of the events.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,862 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    Hope the shoot that Islamist Nutter holed up in his apartment in the balls and leave him bleed out! Also I would suggest with all these various extremist groups around I'd say there is a good chance that something bad will happen this summer in London with the Olympics taking place!

    The last thing they should do is kill this bastard.
    Get him alive and let him rot in jail for the rest of his life.

    If he is the religious (Islamic) nut people think he his he will not commit suicide in order not to miss out on his 70-something virgins.
    When they kill him, nutjobs like him will declare him a martyr.

    Best thing they did when Theo van Gogh was slaughtered in the streets of Amsterdam by another Islamic fanatic was to get that bastard alive.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    SamHarris wrote: »

    None found homosexuality acceptable.

    No-one? Not one Muslim worldwide? Not even the gay ones?
    SamHarris wrote: »
    Around 50% around the Muslim world support Hamas.

    They do? Because the link you provided says something quite different.

    You wouldn't be peddling propaganda by any chance?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    I see my OP plea to avoid sectarianism has fallen on deaf ears....
    SamHarris wrote: »
    The most (........)commented on show the extent to which a little more self criticism may be needed.

    Nobody denies theres a problem with extremist Islamic ideology. Another problem is the kind of scaremongering, generalisations and nonsense fired at the muslim community in general.
    SamHarris wrote: »
    whilst even the most mainstream and powerful Muslim orientated dialogue generators ( I think of al Jazeera) still have their entire programming based around a tone of self rightousness and self pity.

    ...dear o dear....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    tolosenc wrote: »
    ...........
    As a result, there is a feeling among Muslims that they are second class citizens (although any discrimination is either non-existant or mostly self inflicted). ...........

    '...there is none, but if there is, it's their own fault'. Lovely.

    Research begs to differ.
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/11/22/fake-cvs-reveal-discrimination-against-muslims-in-french-job-market/

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4399748.stm


  • Posts: 1,007 [Deleted User]


    Sorry, no. I lived in Toulouse for years and while this part of your post rings perfectly true ...
    tolosenc wrote: »
    I used to live in Toulouse. There is a dynamic in France, particularly in the Midi, which is hard to really grasp without actually spending time there. For the most part, Algerians have totally failed to integrate into the society as a whole and live in ghettoised neighbourhoods of tower block government apartments. The level of distrust and hatred between the Algerians (the majority of whom are born and raised in France) and the French is startling. The two do not mix. Similar in ways to the Traveller community here. There is a high amount of crime in these areas and they are quite hostile to outsiders (as I found out to the tune of a broken collar bone at one point).

    ... there's an element of "cart before the horse" in this part of your post:
    tolosenc wrote: »
    As a result, there is a feeling among Muslims that they are second class citizens

    You're saying that because they segregate themselves they feel like second class citizens? These people were ghettoized in the 1960s and ghettos are not easy to get out of.
    tolosenc wrote: »
    although any discrimination is either non-existant or mostly self inflicted

    Except, perhaps, in extremely limited circumstances, this is just not true. I remember an proposal which was discussed about 4 years ago where employers would not be allowed to see the name of the candidate on the CV because the name alone could lead to discrimination. Why would something as dramatic as that need to be considered if the discrimination was non-existent?

    And, for the record, I have no sympathy for people like this guy or the rioters (who burned their own neighbourhoods and neighbours property) or criminals of this (or any) class ... they're an insult to the good people who work hard to live their lives peacefully and lawfully and they make things more difficult for good, honest people to change perceptions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    brimal wrote: »
    Reports say there was two gun shots heard overnight from inside the house

    Did he miss the first the first time? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,031 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    French police rep. giving an interview on Sky News now. Shooter was alive this morning, when the police went in. He came out of the bathroom shooting at the police, who fired back. He jumped out the window and was found dead on the ground. Two gendarmes have minor injuries.

    Death has this much to be said for it:
    You don’t have to get out of bed for it.
    Wherever you happen to be
    They bring it to you—free.

    — Kingsley Amis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,069 ✭✭✭Tzar Chasm


    My question is about definitions

    Was this guy
    An Islamic Nutter
    Or
    A Nutter who happened to be Islamic

    ie were there verified links to other nutter organizations, or did h e just decide off his own bat to slaughter his way to paradise?


  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭Fran1985


    jumped out a window, shooting at everyone. Like something from Die Hard


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Number of people killed by Islamist terrorist attacks in Europe since 2005 until this attack: 0
    Number of Islamist terrorist attacks in Europe in 2009 out of a total of 294: 1
    Number of Islamist terrorist attacks in Europe in 2010 out a total of 249: 3
    How convenient to start at 2005, just after Beslan and the London bombings.
    Also you forget about averted attacks
    https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/te-sat2011.pdf
    2011: The threat of attacks by Islamist terrorists in the EU remains high and diverse.
    In the past year, several EU Member States have successfully prevented attacks by Islamist terrorist groups, which aimed to cause mass casualties. During 2010, 179 individuals were arrested for offences linked to Islamist terrorism, representing a 50% increase compared with 2009. Furthermore a higher proportion of those arrests related to the preparation of attacks in the EU (47% compared with 10% in 2009).
    Additionally, the high number of threat statements to the EU (46) posted by Islamist terrorist organisations or their media fronts indicates terrorist groups’ clear intent to target the European Union.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,031 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Sky News replayed the "soundtrack" to the final events. Two long bursts from multiple automatic weapons. The guy definitely had some firepower - a Kalashnikov of some sort?
    Tzar Chasm wrote: »
    Was this guy
    An Islamic Nutter
    Or
    A Nutter who happened to be Islamic
    He trained at Jihadist camps in Waziristan, fought in Afghanistan, had at least one automatic weapon, and explicitly targeted a Jewish school. What more detail do we need?

    Death has this much to be said for it:
    You don’t have to get out of bed for it.
    Wherever you happen to be
    They bring it to you—free.

    — Kingsley Amis



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭Batsy


    Tzar Chasm wrote: »
    Was this guy
    An Islamic Nutter
    Or
    A Nutter who happened to be Islamic

    They are both the same thing.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭Batsy


    Also, I knew that this idiot would be a Muslim. I must be psychic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    To be fair to the police, they were very patient compared to your typical US swat team.

    I'm seeing a lot over ridiculous criticism on US news sites comments section about how long they took to 'take him out'. It's mostly just the usual anti-French nonsense you see in the US and British media.

    They weren't going to risk officers lives or members of the public by unnecessarily provoking a very violent response.

    They'd also probably have preferred to take him alive so they could establish more facts about his motives, connections and whether there could be any others.

    Nasty situation that was ended as best as the police could manage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    When I heard about the jewish kids I knew it could only be nazis or extremist muslims. Or nazi muslims, not unheard of.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 609 ✭✭✭Dubit10


    Wow, this is going to be an awesome movie.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭cruais


    It's awful to hear bout those poor people killed.

    If the reports are true about him jumping out the window, what a fûcking coward...


  • Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭Viral Vector


    Yeah he's dead!

    • Mohammed Merah killed in firefight with police
    • Gunman leapt from window still shooting
    • 'Al-Qaeda' gunman began 'shooting madly'
    • Merah found dead on ground outside flat
    • Two police injured, one with foot wound
    • 32-hour siege ends in five-minute gun battle
    • More than 300 rounds fired in fierce exchange
    • Officers storm building after series of explosions

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9157126/Toulouse-siege-live.html

    Burn in hell you son of a bitch!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    biko wrote: »
    When I heard about the jewish kids I knew it could only be nazis or extremist muslims. Or nazi muslims, not unheard of.

    Plenty of Muslims also fought on the side of the allies (in fact the number would easily dwarf the number who fought on the sides of the Nazi's). Many btw fought on the side of the French and British, who came from there colonies. Also, some of the soldiers killed by this nutter, also killed soldiers of Arab descent, who were likely Muslims.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    "Gunman leapt from window still shooting"

    thought he was Max Paine!


  • Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭Viral Vector


    RichieC wrote: »
    "Gunman leapt from window still shooting"

    thought he was Max Paine!

    Pane would have been better!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭steelcityblues


    The Guardian being pretty foolish again today with one of their commentators pointing the finger at Sarkozy, Le Pen, and a few others.

    Of course, it simply can't be the fault of one psychotic individual.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭discus


    The Guardian is just another extreme, but at the other end of the spectrum.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    discus wrote: »
    The Guardian is just another extreme, but at the other end of the spectrum.

    :rolleyes: Yea, the Guardian is extreme...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭sebastianlieken


    1346: Mohammed Merah was killed by a bullet in the head from a police sniper as he tried to flee, Mr Molins said - BBC NEWS LIVE FEED .

    ...
    ...
    ...


    HEADSHOT!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Fell or thrown out the window?


  • Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭Ned_led16


    He murdered children in cold blood intentionally!

    Im so so sorry for the Childrens families

    Im angry that the french gave him a mobile phone to say goodbye to his family...

    Of course his family are gonna tell him to die by the sword instead of in a jail!

    Very disappointed with the French! Sarkozy is only thinking about elections - a swot team should have jumped him from behind and taken him ALIVE! if 100 police officers died then SO BE IT - he SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO DIE & NOT SUFFER like the parents of the children will do for life! this would have saved future lives! lucky for the french police family though i suppose!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Dubit10 wrote: »
    Wow, this is going to be an awesome movie.


    Spielberg is already thought to have Procured the footage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,862 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    Cant wait to see cars and what not go up in flames in the banlieus because he was treated so unfair by the police.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    Ned_led16 wrote: »
    if 100 police officers died then SO BE IT

    What?
    You wanted him alive, even if 100 gendarmes died in the process?
    :/


  • Posts: 1,007 [Deleted User]


    Ned_led16 wrote: »
    Very disappointed with the French! Sarkozy is only thinking about elections - a swot team should have jumped him from behind and taken him ALIVE! if 100 police officers died then SO BE IT

    Oh for fúck sake.

    There is nothing Sarkozy (and "the French" :rolleyes:) wanted more than to take this guy alive and parade him around as a symbol of how completely un-racist he is leading up to the coming elections where the biggest problem for him is courting the far right vote without looking like a racist to the rest of the electorate!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Why do extremist muslims hate jews now? I thought it was just us western infidels. To be honest when I heard that he was targetting jews and it was in the south of france i knew the guy was going to be some sort of extremist muslim.


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