most politcally incorrect opinion?

Ginja Ninja · 11-02-2009 8:46pm #1

as teenagers we hate everyone at some point

....so who/what do you hate the most?

for me the whole incest thing is a no-no i mean ewww!

cautioner · 11-02-2009 8:57pm

I hate when people make sweeping statements like "I f*cking hate teenagers".

Ginja Ninja · 11-02-2009 9:02pm

hmm *looks at your other thread * hmmm

self-love issues?

challengemaster · 11-02-2009 9:31pm

I doubt anyone on this forum has any issues with self love, ho ho ho! :pac:

cautioner · 11-02-2009 9:45pm

I doubt anyone on this forum has any issues with self love, ho ho h-

...Oh, damn, beat me to it

Piste · 11-02-2009 10:03pm

Y'know how young people are supposed to be really liberal compared to their parents?

Compared with my parents I'm Margaret Thatcher.

Ginja Ninja · 11-02-2009 10:09pm

then what are you doing in a TEENAGE forum?
got knit some shreddies

Ginja Ninja · 11-02-2009 10:09pm

then what are you doing in a TEENAGE forum?
got knit some shreddies:pac:

cautioner · 11-02-2009 10:12pm

Maybe she's normal and has hippy naturalist parents.

innercitydub1 · 11-02-2009 10:22pm

Liberal douches i call them

rich middle class only concerned with the world around them cause its popular culture

they will tend to no alot about propaganda gave to them about the envoirment, world hunger, human rights yet bring them on a bus journey into dublins inner city and they dont give a .... or not no these problems even exsisted.

try tell them that dublins inner city makes up for 91 percent of crime
prison system made up of 70 percent from dublins inner city
highest rates of poverty very low funded education In Ireland

This is what i find very hard to understand, you try get it through to there head about these social problems and your called small minded

yet put your world hunger t shirt on and cheer in barcak obama and claim to be so in touch with the world as your smugness chokes real ireland to deathwith political sensitive buzzwords intrests groups who claim to repersent the poor when they dont have the slighest clue about poverty

i shall leave at this but are new Irish liberal society claim to be open minded and free speech yet refuse or have diffrent ideolgys than thses people or just dont want anything rammed down your throat about al the worlds problems but are own..your automaticly classed as small minded a bigot a racist or a facist

they say they repersent the left what the hell is the left do you repersent the left cause its cool do you repersent it cause its cool to.they where there che t shirts yet ask them about socilism they will not have a slightest clue what your talking about
if someone asks me what side i stand on my reply always is any side your not

Wake up and look at the city around you stop been so smug about everything if you realy want to make a difrence

a inner city mans view on are liberal middle class college society

cautioner · 11-02-2009 10:25pm

Mmmm... I really love the relevance.

Did you just type that up in your own time, come on boards, search "liberal" and let loose, or...?

innercitydub1 · 11-02-2009 10:30pm

im not saying this what a liberal is im saying this is the word these people associate themselves with

and i wrote it myself dont spend all day on this just a quick post to explain the grammer

Piste · 11-02-2009 10:42pm

My controversial opinion is that inner city dubs have as much free will as the rest of Ireland and choose to commit the crimes that wind up with them in jail.

11-02-2009 10:46pm

My opinions on Dublins Inner City are summed up in this song...

cautioner · 11-02-2009 10:47pm

innercitydub1 wrote:

if someone asks me what side i stand on my reply always is any side your not

Yes, we should all follow your path to compassion and understanding.

EDIT: Infinite love for FOTC.

innercitydub1 · 11-02-2009 11:01pm

Piste wrote: »

My controversial opinion is that inner city dubs have as much free will as the rest of Ireland and choose to commit the crimes that wind up with them in jail.

Thats your thoughts bud but with the lowest funded education in ireland given to inner city dublin schools what can you expect.

This community has been totaly forgotton about in irish life.

Just luck at it this way k bear with me

You grow up with a **** education and live among 5 other people in a one bedroom flat. You watch endlessy as local jobs are closed down then knocked down as private apartments and office blocks go up.

your promised by the dublin docklands that these new companys will employ and teach locals yet to this day only 1 percewnt in local inner city population work in an of these firms.

Your communitys problems are ignored by the genral public and media

Scum drug pushers who controlled the area and ruined many of lives in the community where not sought after bye the gardai until the drugs start to move out to the wealth suburbs where wealth kids where getting addicted.

You go to school and you find that you dont even half a maths teacher or a science room you come out of 6th with no hope of getting to university

you live in a block of flats where sewrage pumps out of the ground and police dont anser calls to stop the drug pushing

are these good reasons as to why alot of people in inner citys go off the rails and i must add that there are many as myself that battle through all of this and move on to university

JC 2K3 · 11-02-2009 11:04pm

If I'm honest, I have quite an indifferent attitude to abortion, not really seeing the big deal with whether an unborn baby lives or dies.

I think certain other recreational drugs besides alcohol and tobacco should be made legal, but at the same time I'm not very pro-weed and consider it potentially more harmful than MDMA(Ecstasy) or psychedelic drugs like LSD.

innercitydub1 · 11-02-2009 11:08pm

cautioner wrote: »

Yes, we should all follow your path to compassion and understanding.

EDIT: Infinite love for FOTC.

i dont associate myself with any ideolgy politcal groups right wing or left wing or north wing what ever you want to call it

i just feel when it comes right down to it its all a load of crap

Also i never said to show compassion to these people from the inner city piss all over them in fact make as much jokes as you like about them , it will be a fair change to some of the tip toeing around people have to do these days in case they offend anybody

my point is these libral smug groups that are starting to grow all over ireland mostly influenced from america are so hung up on everything all over the world moaning and bitching about all the suffreing yet try to highlight something that well lets just say not cool to protesting for is what makes me pissed. popular culture groups. bubble people there so knowlegble about mtv awarnees yet try highlight something thats happening in are own city of cublin they dont want to no it sure does piss me off

cautioner · 11-02-2009 11:14pm

Got the shock of my life last year in Religion class. Teacher gave us a scenario; don't remember it exactly but it was something like this:

A woman has 6 children. 3 are blind, 2 are mentally handicapped and 1 is deaf. The woman discovers that she is pregnant. What should she do?

The thought hadn't even occurred to me and I was pondering the question - is it a trick Q? - when a girl put up her hand and said matter-of-factly "Get an abortion". I sat there, aghast, and was further astounded by general murmurs of agreement, mainly from girls in the class. The pro-abortion message has warped into the mentality that if there's something wrong with someone, they don't deserve to live? I am opposed to abortion, but I understand the complexities of the argument. This was on another level. I felt sick.

11-02-2009 11:17pm

I suppose my worst opinion is that ~4 billion of Earth's human inhabitants need to die; and relatively soon, too.

innercitydub1 · 11-02-2009 11:20pm

I only belive in abortion along certain circumstances. for exsample if a womn was raped yes.

but if somebody just gets pregnant no way

you have a responbility not just the woman but man aswell

its the risk you take in life this hole pysche everybody has in peoples head these days is quite lasy as if they where to get pregant the anser is ah sure you could get a abortion

it is a tough one

but im not in favour

challengemaster · 11-02-2009 11:21pm

hmm. I think the only real response to that is

innercitydub1 · 11-02-2009 11:21pm

-JammyDodger- wrote: »

I suppose my worst opinion is that ~4 billion of Earth's human inhabitants need to die; and relatively soon, too.

im not saying this in a samrt way just curious

why do they need to die??

11-02-2009 11:25pm

innercitydub1 wrote: »

im not saying this in a samrt way just curious

why do they need to die??

Earth is vastly overpopulated, simply. There are just too many people alive - and, if the trend continues, the population is just going to get completely out of control in a few decades.

cautioner · 11-02-2009 11:27pm

Overpopulation, pollution, dwindling food/resources, etc...

Piste · 11-02-2009 11:30pm

I also am pretty indifferent about abortion. I'm not strongly for or against (though if I found myself pregnant in the morning I'd be very strongly for abortion).

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 11-02-2009 11:32pm

-JammyDodger- wrote: »

I suppose my worst opinion is that ~4 billion of Earth's human inhabitants need to die; and relatively soon, too.

The good news is that 100% of the population will die relatively soon.

cautioner · 11-02-2009 11:33pm

I'm not here to bash anyone's opinion, but this is a mentality I simply do not understand. I don't think I ever will. I've been told it's because I have a ding dong and not a vajingo but I'd like to think my feelings on the matter would be the same otherwise.

SarcasticFairy · 11-02-2009 11:36pm

Abortion, hmmm, I'm againist it, as a general rule. However there are cases where I understand it's necessity. When it comes to aborting a child on the basis that it could have disabilities? I'm not really sure where I stand on that, I feel that it sort of depends on the case, but that is possibly a little hypocritical in itself

JC 2K3 · 11-02-2009 11:36pm

innercitydub1 wrote: »

its the risk you take in life this hole pysche everybody has in peoples head these days is quite lasy as if they where to get pregant the anser is ah sure you could get a abortion

As an extension to my previously shared opinion, I kind of also think that the normalisation of abortion as a valid and moral choice in the event of an unplanned pregnancy, as opposed to a guilt ridden grey area, would be a good thing for society. Now the possible argument against this is that not granting rights to the unborn would lead to a general disregard for the value of human life, and that infanticide could be justified etc., but I think the majority of people make a subconscious distinction between humans in and ex utero which is strong enough that this would not arise as a result.

11-02-2009 11:39pm

Sean_K wrote: »

The good news is that 100% of the population will die relatively soon.

I guess I should of defined how long I meant by relatively.:p

Relatively in this case means in the next ~100 years.

cautioner · 11-02-2009 11:49pm

Sarcasticfairy wrote:

Abortion, hmmm, I'm againist it, as a general rule. However there are cases where I understand it's necessity. When it comes to aborting a child on the basis that it could have disabilities? I'm not really sure where I stand on that, I feel that it sort of depends on the case, but that is possibly a little hypocritical in itself

Everyone knows someone with disabilities of some form. Where's the distinction? Who should be so badly disabled as to be put to death? (or terminated, if that's a less biased term?) What these people in my class were arguing was that it would be perfectly fair to declare that they won't enjoy life as much as they could and should therefore be killed. I'll be honest; I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. One claimed the same defence for blind/deaf baby. Mind-boggling.

JC 2K3 wrote:

As an extension to my previously shared opinion, I kind of also think that the normalisation of abortion as a valid and moral choice in the event of an unplanned pregnancy, as opposed to a guilt ridden grey area, would be a good thing for society. Now the possible argument against this is that not granting rights to the unborn would lead to a general disregard for the value of human life, and that infanticide could be justified etc., but I think the majority of people make a subconscious distinction between humans in and ex utero which is strong enough that this would not arise as a result.

How exactly do you think it would improve society? I'm honestly curious, not trying to be snide or anything.

Fad · 11-02-2009 11:49pm

I kinda share JC 2K3's sentiment on abortion.

I dont really care.

I dont think life really begins properly until a baby can survive without ridiculous measure, like being in a incubator for months or something. I dont mean if a baby is born prematurely its not alive, its just naturally it couldnt possibly survive without some unreal amount of mechanical assistance. (This is coming out kinda iffy, but hopefully you get what I mean)

cautioner · 11-02-2009 11:55pm

Fad wrote: »

I kinda share JC 2K3's sentiment on abortion.

I dont really care.

I dont think life really begins properly until a baby can survive without ridiculous measure, like being in a incubator for months or something. I dont mean if a baby is born prematurely its not alive, its just naturally it couldnt possibly survive without some unreal amount of mechanical assistance. (This is coming out kinda iffy, but hopefully you get what I mean)

Again, this seems like a very iffy distinction; still leaves leeway for personal discretion. Even though I'm opposed to it almost entirely, I can't respect this method of thinking as much as I could, say, life beginning at 2 months of pregnancy, something definite and consistent.

Not that I don't respect your opinion, Fad :pac:

blinkey 101 · 11-02-2009 11:59pm

yawn.

Fad · 12-02-2009 12:00am

cautioner wrote: »

Again, this seems like a very iffy distinction; still leaves leeway for personal discretion. Even though I'm opposed to it almost entirely, I can't respect this method of thinking as much as I could, say, life beginning at 2 months of pregnancy, something definite and consistent.

Not that I don't respect your opinion, Fad :pac:

OMGWTFDUDETHATSSOTOTALLYNOTFAIRNOTAGREEINGWITHMEENTIRELY!RAWR

I'm sort of a Nihilist, and I dont really think life means anything, so my definition of life is obviously enough gonna be a bit different to others

JC 2K3 · 12-02-2009 12:02am

cautioner wrote: »

Everyone knows someone with disabilities of some form. Where's the distinction? Who should be so badly disabled as to be put to death? (or terminated, if that's a less biased term?) What these people in my class were arguing was that it would be perfectly fair to declare that they won't enjoy life as much as they could and should therefore be killed. I'll be honest; I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. One claimed the same defence for blind/deaf baby. Mind-boggling.

Well you could argue that since people having children is essentially for the selfish purpose of fulfilling a natural urge and thus will bring them pleasure and gratification, that they would be entitled to not have to bring up a disabled child if they so wish.

cautioner wrote: »

How exactly do you think it would improve society? I'm honestly curious, not trying to be snide or anything.

Guilt for things that there's no reason to feel guilty about is a bad thing. A girl who has an unplanned pregnancy and doesn't want a baby shouldn't have to go through that. It would also lessen the amount of kids growing up in less than ideal circumstances because they were unplanned and the mother felt obliged to have them. I mean in general, more control over when new people are brought into the world can only be good for society.

cautioner · 12-02-2009 12:02am

Life.

Don't talk to me about life...

SarcasticFairy · 12-02-2009 12:13am

cautioner wrote: »

Everyone knows someone with disabilities of some form. Where's the distinction? Who should be so badly disabled as to be put to death? (or terminated, if that's a less biased term?) What these people in my class were arguing was that it would be perfectly fair to declare that they won't enjoy life as much as they could and should therefore be killed. I'll be honest; I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. One claimed the same defence for blind/deaf baby. Mind-boggling.

I wasn't thinking they wouldn't enjoy life as much and therefore should be killed/terminated. Taking your example, that woman had several disabled kids. A child with disabilities needs more attention than your average child. With so many kids needing all her undivided attention, there's only so much she can take, as well as the fact that the new baby would need a lot of attention that it might not get, and so suffer further. Sort of, it's kind of hard to explain what I'm thinking (my mind is a bit frazzled at the mo

). It is neither fair on her nor on the new child.

Also, when you're talking about more than blindness/deafness (as awful as that would be, in all fairness), but as in Down's Syndrom, AIDS, etc., and you know that your future child will be afflicted with whatever for their lives, there is going to be, for me anyway, some kind of debate. You're stopping this 'childs' life before it has begun, but you're doing it for the right reasons, in a sense. That's kind of what I meant about it applying to each case seperately.

cautioner · 12-02-2009 12:25am

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Well you could argue that since people having children is essentially for the selfish purpose of fulfilling a natural urge and thus will bring them pleasure and gratification, that they would be entitled to not have to bring up a disabled child if they so wish.

Giving birth to someone does not necessarily entail bringing them up; I realise that carrying a baby for 9 months is a tremendous task even for planned mothers, but my thought on the matter has always been that if someone can make an effort and not take the easy option, and in the process save a life, then that's something special. That of course is where personal opinion comes into the matter. It is a huge ask of anyone but in my personal opinion if someone has it in their direct power to decide the fate of another it should be worth the toil. Others obviously don't feel the same way.

JC 2K3 wrote:

Guilt for things that there's no reason to feel guilty about is a bad thing. A girl who has an unplanned pregnancy and doesn't want a baby shouldn't have to go through that. It would also lessen the amount of kids growing up in less than ideal circumstances because they were unplanned and the mother felt obliged to have them. I mean in general, more control over when new people are brought into the world can only be good for society.

I could whip out the tired old the-baby-could-be-the-next-Morgan-Freeman cliché and you could just as easily retort with old the-baby-could-be-the-next-Hitler, but I think that's a bit redundant in any case.
What you call guilt, I would call a conscience. Neither of us are in any position to speak authoratively, but I do recall reading that a large number of women who do abort are dramatically affected for the rest of their lives: they'll estimate the baby's would-be birthday, note it each year, wonder what might have been, etc. I don't think you can define it as something there's no reason to feel guilty for. It's yet another matter of personal opinion.
It's easy to imagine and pity children growing up in less than ideal circumstances, but children have been doing that for millenia and I daresay a couple of them turned out all right. A less-than-perfect childhood is not something I see as a grounds for humane termination. Children grow up.

Why, oh why, do I always start Abortion debates when I should be studying... :pac:

Piste · 12-02-2009 12:32am

My angle on abortion is a life only has value if it is valued- ie. it doesn't have an innate value. An unwanted foetus has no value as its parents don't want it and it isn't sentient so doesn't value its own life.

cautioner · 12-02-2009 12:35am

Potential value doesn't figure?
Anyway, I'm sorry for hijacking this thread with my crazy theories and constant opposing, I shall now be leaving in order to watch the latest episode of Heroes.

It's supposed to be a good one.

Piste · 12-02-2009 12:45am

Nope I don't believe in "potential" value. Potential means nothing unless it becomes a reality.

Crumble Froo · 12-02-2009 1:13am

yep, would mostly agree with piste on the abortion thing... personally, for me, i dont think i could ever have an abortion, but i don't see why my own personalised belief in it should affect what other women can do to their bodies.

i suppose on other political opinions, i think it's complete bullshit that gay couples don't have marriage/partnership rights in ireland. i quite like new zealand's laws regarding common law partnership too, not to mention being able to get married anywehre you want (i think they recently passed something to that general effect in ireland, but that doesnt go quite as far). i think prostitution should be legal, and i'd like to see more open debate on legalising cannabis.

challengemaster · 12-02-2009 1:16am

Piste wrote: »

Potential means nothing unless it becomes a reality.

Dare you to say that to a physicist! :pac:

fonpokno · 12-02-2009 1:27am

innercitydub1 wrote: »

its the risk you take in life this hole pysche everybody has in peoples head these days is quite lasy as if they where to get pregant the anser is ah sure you could get a abortion

it is a tough one

but im not in favour

Abortion isn't exactly a walk in the park!

cautioner wrote: »

I'm not here to bash anyone's opinion, but this is a mentality I simply do not understand. I don't think I ever will. I've been told it's because I have a ding dong and not a vajingo but I'd like to think my feelings on the matter would be the same otherwise.

Well it's a very personal thing.

Me, I'm very much pro-abortion. If i got pregnant I'd be straight off to England, not a second thought about it. The only thing that would concern me would be the cost. This country is still so bound up by the catholic guilt that it's ridiculously difficult to even get the morning after pill. Ireland is such a backwards freaking country it's ridiculous.

Abortion should be legal here. Total bollocks that it isn't.

Mind you, we don't even have public transport in this country after midnight. God knows what kind of an arse they'd make out of abortion. We'd probably be left with a 6 month waiting list...

Crumble Froo · 12-02-2009 1:34am

fonpokno wrote: »

Mind you, we don't even have public transport in this country after midnight. God knows what kind of an arse they'd make out of abortion. We'd probably be left with a 6 month waiting list...

*shudders*

oh christ, i can picture it now...

Piste · 12-02-2009 1:40am

Lol "sure you can get an abortion, but you'll be waiting for 9 months.."

Insect Overlord · 12-02-2009 1:42am

fonpokno wrote: »

Mind you, we don't even have public transport in this country after midnight. God knows what kind of an arse they'd make out of abortion. We'd probably be left with a 6 month waiting list...

Quote of the day material right there

cautioner · 12-02-2009 1:45am

Heroes wasn't the best...

Would it annoy everyone if I argued a point with fonpokno? I feel like I'm being really... what's the word... anal.

Fad · 12-02-2009 1:53am

cautioner wrote: »

Heroes wasn't the best...

Would it annoy everyone if I argued a point with fonpokno? I feel like I'm being really... what's the word... anal.

Yes...........

most politcally incorrect opinion?

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