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Irish Palestine Solidarity Campaign

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  • #52
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    wes wrote: »
    Hardly. Again, boycott is tactic, and nothing more. To pretend that it is in and off itself is the be all and end all of things is simple absurd. The reaction to even a limited boycott, shows that this sort of thing can have an effect.

    Even a country like Iran isn't completely sanctioned by the US or the EU. By your logic nothing less than a completely and total sanctioning of everything Iranian would be hypocrisy. "Hypocrisy" is only thrown out uniquely by apologists for Israel, and they oddly enough you don't hear about the "hypocrisy" in regards to the likes of the US and EU in regards to Iran and other countries, they choose to sanction.

    Now the reason, the US or EU etc don't sanction everything, is because it s a tactic. If you start by sanctioning everything, then they have no where to go, if things don't work out. So they sanction some things, and then if things deteriorate, they can add more sanctions. The same goes for boycotts, which again is a tactic that various groups can use.

    But none of that is really relevant here. A boycott or sanctions should be a choice by those involved. That wasn't the case here. This group were just bullied into it. I'd love to know many people in the Apartheid boycotts actually gave a sh*t and weren't just going with the flow.


  • #53
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....wouldn't the world (and certainly this country) perhaps be a better place if people used the energy and emotion they harbour against people who campaign on an issue, to campaign on an issue themselves?

    Pointing out laughable hypocrisy amongst 'protesters' is a campaign in itself!


  • #54
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    token101 wrote: »
    We already ignore it when it suits. If they really cared they'd boycott everything to do with Israel. I just despise these f***wits masquerading as protesters when all they really are is bullies making life difficult for others by spewing venomous rubbish on SN sites. I wonder how many of them would climb aboard the flotillas?.

    People who board the flotillas get even more abuse, here at any rate.

    The rest of that would be covered by this.....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78517483&postcount=50

    token101 wrote: »
    It's not my fight, so I don't particularly care if I'm honest. .....

    Yet you seem to have a good amount of anger put aside for those who do, and have put aside time and energy here to denigrate their efforts.


  • #55
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    token101 wrote: »
    Pointing out laughable hypocrisy amongst 'protesters' is a campaign in itself!

    Next week you'll presumably be posting about why the council for the blind doesn't do more for the deaf....


  • #56
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Nodin wrote: »
    People who board the flotillas get even more abuse, here at any rate.

    The rest of that would be covered by this.....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78517483&postcount=50

    Yet you seem to have a good amount of anger put aside for those who do, and have put aside time and energy here to denigrate their efforts.

    I don't have any anger really. I just think their efforts are pointless in the context of this situation, and harmful to others like this group trying to make a living.
    Nodin wrote: »
    Next week you'll presumably be posting about with the council for the blind doesn't do more for the deaf....

    The council for the blind does something meaningful though. These people don't.


  • #57
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    token101 wrote: »
    I don't have any anger really. I just think their efforts are pointless in the context of this situation, and harmful to others like this group trying to make a living. .

    ....but you don't care, according to yourself, about an army being harmful to millions trying to do the same - a strange sense of proportion.

    And yes, going by your posts, you certainly do have some anger/resentment towards them. As stated earlier, its wasted energy.
    token101 wrote: »
    The council for the blind does something meaningful though. These people don't.

    Being obtuse now, are we? The councifl for the Blind concentrates on the Blind, Palestinian campaigners concentrate on Palestine. The latter gets abuse for focus from you, the former doesn't.


  • #58
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....wouldn't the world (and certainly this country) perhaps be a better place if people used the energy and emotion they harbour against people who campaign on an issue, to campaign on an issue themselves?

    Those sort of people stand for nothing positive themselves. If you get the right wing nutters to really think about it they wouldn't know which side of the fence to get on in a war between Muslims and Jews!


  • #59
    Mr. Loverman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    Nodin wrote: »
    Palestinian campaigners concentrate on Palestine.

    That's not totally true. Most of them will show up to any sort of anti-whatever rally.

    I am an ex-member. I left when I realised the organisation was made up of about 10% genuinely decent people, about 50% anti-everything people, and about 40% it's-cool-to-be-pro-Palestine people.

    Overall I think they do more good than harm though.


  • #60
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    Overall I think they do more good than harm though.

    Maybe so, but stuff like this, harrassing people into their way of thinking, it's not on. Register a protest and leave it at that.


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  • #61
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....but you don't care, according to yourself, about an army being harmful to millions trying to do the same - a strange sense of proportion.

    And yes, going by your posts, you certainly do have some anger/resentment towards them. As stated earlier, its wasted energy..

    Well, when I find something worth fighting for, I'll make my voice heard ;)
    Nodin wrote: »
    Being obtuse now, are we? The councifl for the Blind concentrates on the Blind, Palestinian campaigners concentrate on Palestine. The latter gets abuse for focus from you, the former doesn't.

    You bring the council for the blind into it, and I'm being obtuse :pac: A former member just said most have no focus. Just anarchists turning up for a day out.


  • #62
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    That's not totally true. Most of them will show up to any sort of anti-whatever rally.

    ..........

    Really? because the other fellow was saying that they don't get involved in anything else....
    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    Overall I think they do more good than harm though.

    Indeed. Until the invention of a foolproof gobshite excluder I think it best to focus on the issue, rather than speculate on the makeup of the organisations doing something useful in the world.
    Token101 wrote:
    Well, when I find something worth fighting for, I'll make my voice heard .

    ...apart from others 'fighting for something', about which you've been far from silent thus far.


  • #63
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    token101 wrote: »
    But none of that is really relevant here.

    Yes it is. You are just disregarding anything that shows you to be wrong.
    token101 wrote: »
    A boycott or sanctions should be a choice by those involved.

    They did have a choice. No one held a gun to there heads. Again plenty of groups of ignored the boycott on Israel.

    Also, you again show a complete lack of knowledge of how sanction and boycotts work. For example, the US and EU have used all kind of ways to induce other countries to sanction Iran, including various threats, which go far beyond a social media campaign. You have chosen to redefine sanctions and boycotts to suit your own position, and are simply ignoring how these things are done.

    BTW, the US enforces its sanction on Hamas by putting people in prison at times.

    Also, the fact that you seem to only be commenting on this one instance, is rather odd. Especially when you have condemned others for not condemning all sorts of other situation at the same time. Surely, you should condemn US and EU sanctions against Iran, and US sanctions on Hamas, where if you go against them you can go to jail. Surely, your position is simple hypocrisy, at least according to your own logic.
    token101 wrote: »
    That wasn't the case here.

    It most certainly was. The band decided the bad publicity wasn't worth it. You seem to think that this tactic is some how unique to this situation.
    token101 wrote: »
    This group were just bullied into it.

    I have yet to see a single shred of proof. Just claims of "venom" and not a single link to any of the tweets or comment online at all. The fact that no such links were provided, leads me to believe that the claims are being at best exaggerated.


  • #64
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Nodin wrote: »
    Indeed. Until the invention of a foolproof gobshite excluder I think it best to focus on the issue, rather than speculate on the makeup of the organisations doing something useful in the world.

    ...apart from others 'fighting for something', about which you've been far from silent thus far.

    They're not doing anything useful. How is harrassing a band online useful FFS? What have they achieved with this stunt? If anything this sh*t would turn more people, who might otherwise actually support them, against them. It's the same with all causes, the fanatical few drive away the masses with their stupidity and do more harm than good in the long run. Just like Shell in Mayo, PETA, and all the rest.


  • #65
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    wes wrote: »
    Yes it is. You are just disregarding anything that shows you to be wrong.

    They did have a choice. No one held a gun to there heads. Again plenty of groups of ignored the boycott on Israel.

    Also, you again show a complete lack of knowledge of how sanction and boycotts work. For example, the US and EU have used all kind of ways to induce other countries to sanction Iran, including various threats, which go far beyond a social media campaign. You have chosen to redefine sanctions and boycotts to suit your own position, and are simply ignoring how these things are done.

    BTW, the US enforces its sanction on Hamas by putting people in prison at times.

    Also, the fact that you seem to only be commenting on this one instance, is rather odd. Especially when you have condemned other for not condemning all sorts of other situation at the same time. Surely, you should condemn US and EU sanctions against Iran, and US sanctions on Hamas, where if you go against them you can go to jail.

    It most certainly was. The band decided the bad publicity wasn't worth it. You seem to think that this tactic is some how unique to this situation.

    I have yet to see a single shred of proof. Just claims of "venom" and not a single link to any of the tweets or comment online at all. The fact that no such links were provided, leads me to believe that the claims are being at best exaggerated.

    And has any of this stopped the settlement building?


  • #66
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    token101 wrote: »
    And has any of this stopped the settlement building?

    ...one could raise the same issue with regard to any protest until its success or definitive failure.

    Besides - I thought you didn't care?


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  • #67
    sock puppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    wes wrote: »
    The band decided the bad publicity wasn't worth it.

    Where does the article say that?


  • #68
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    token101 wrote: »
    And has any of this stopped the settlement building?

    Where did anyone say that a BDS campaign would work over night? Oh wait, no one said that. In fact, no campaign of sanctions or boycott is expected to work over night. The US and EU certainly don't expect the sanctions against Iran to work over night. Its slow and drawn out process, and btw sanctions and boycotts aren't the sole thing being done either. They tend to be other measures going on at the same time as well.

    Again, you clearly show that you haven't a clue what your talking about and are just annoyed with people who do things. Personally, I find the fact that so exercised by stuff you claim to not care about highly amusing. BTW, what have you post achieved? Have they ended the boycott campaign against anyone? Oh wait they didn't. So maybe you ought to stop posting, if you are to follow your own logic.

    Still waiting for you to condemn every other BDS and sanctions campaign the world over (some that involve actual bullying, like being imprisoned, killed or maimed). After all, according to you, you have to condemn a whole bunch of other stuff...... right?

    Also, you have purposefully ignored most of what i said, and haven't provided a single example of the bullying you claimed happened, which occurred online, so the fact that not a single link has been provided after 5 pages is rather astonishing to me, and fact that you ignored request for an example doubly so. In fact the article from the OP doesn't provide a single example either, what we have is 2 different groups making opposing claims.


  • #69
    Pedant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Pedant


    Why a cultural boycott though? It's not as though Dervish or the like would have been performing in front of the Israeli government. A cultural boycott of Israel is like boycotting the people of Israel, as opposed to the government of Israel. It's the same with the proposed academic boycott of Israel; it's a boycott on the people of Israel rather than the government of Israel.

    Some of these Palestinian "solidarity" movements come across as anti-intellectual thugs.


  • #70
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    sock puppet wrote: »
    Where does the article say that?

    There was a social media campaign against them, which is bad publicity, and they claimed due to this campaign they decided to cancel there concert.


  • #71
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    Dervish (whoever they are) should have gone ahead and travelled to Israel. Letting yourself be pushed around by people who employ these sort of tactics can never be a good thing. Disgusting behaviour.


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  • #72
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Pedant wrote: »
    Why a cultural boycott though? It's not as though Dervish or the like would have been performing in front of the Israeli government. A cultural boycott of Israel is like boycotting the people of Israel, as opposed to the government of Israel. It's the same with the proposed academic boycott of Israel; it's a boycott on the people of Israel rather than the government of Israel.

    Some of these Palestinian "solidarity" movements come across as anti-intellectual thugs.

    Military service is compulsory for both sexes in Israel, so any sort of boycott hits all those who serve/have served in Israel's military forces that illegally occupy Palestinian land and are carrying out a low level campaign of ethnic cleansing in the West Bank as well making life a living hell for those living in Gaza.

    But, yeah, shame on those trying to do something about it in a peaceful manner. :rolleyes:


  • #73
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    But, yeah, shame on those trying to do something about it in a peaceful manner. :rolleyes:

    Subjecting a bunch of musicians to a 'venomous torrent' of abuse in the media does not equate to behaving in a 'peaceful manner' in my opinion.

    :rolleyes: yourself.


  • #74
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Teyla Emmagan wrote: »
    Subjecting a bunch of musicians to a 'venomous torrent' of abuse in the media does not equate to behaving in a 'peaceful manner' in my opinion.

    :rolleyes: yourself.

    Can you point us towards all this "venomous torment" of abuse? :rolleyes:


  • #75
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Can you point us towards all this "venomous torment" of abuse? :rolleyes:

    Dervish's description, not mine.

    Here you go: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0504/1224315593067.html


  • #76
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Teyla Emmagan wrote: »
    Dervish's description, not mine.

    Here you go: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0504/1224315593067.html

    So there is no link, but now this no mark band is getting publicity.

    Convenient.


  • #77
    The Israeli
    Registered Users Posts: 413 ✭✭The Israeli


    bah, a shame.
    I was planning on buying a ticket.


  • #78
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    The Israeli wrote: »
    bah, a shame.
    I was planning on buying a ticket.

    Take Jedward as a consolation, on the condition that you keep them.


  • #79
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    So there is no link, but now this no mark band is getting publicity.

    Convenient.

    Ah, come on.


  • #80
    The Israeli
    Registered Users Posts: 413 ✭✭The Israeli


    Morlar wrote: »
    Take Jedward as a consolation, on the condition that you keep them.

    Well, I have no idea who they are, but I don't mind seeing Riverdance, or LOTD again when they come, though they are a bit expensive.


  • #81
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    The Israeli wrote: »
    Well, I have no idea who they are,

    Google is your friend :)


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  • #82
    sock puppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    wes wrote: »
    There was a social media campaign against them, which is bad publicity, and they claimed due to this campaign they decided to cancel there concert.

    So the answer to my question is nowhere?


  • #83
    The Israeli
    Registered Users Posts: 413 ✭✭The Israeli


    Morlar wrote: »
    Google is your friend :)

    Not exactly my type heh.. I prefer something a bit more "Irish traditional".


  • #84
    Battered Mars Bar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Battered Mars Bar


    Bin laden was delighted with the Irish Palestine solidarity, I don't recall myself saying that I supported Palestine but there ya go.


  • #85
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    laoch na mona wrote: »
    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    These people are anti-democracy and anti freedom of choice. Most of them belong to socialist and IRA supporting groups

    explain how they are anti democracy and the Israeli occupation of Palestine isn't

    I don't respond to whataboutery. Judge every single scenario individualy.


  • #86
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    Teyla Emmagan wrote: »
    Dervish (whoever they are) should have gone ahead and travelled to Israel. Letting yourself be pushed around by people who employ these sort of tactics can never be a good thing. Disgusting behaviour.

    Aye. It's like in the 80s and how the ANC tried to bully Paul Simon when he was trying to record Graceland. The important thing is not that the ANC viewed Simon's breaking of the boycott as incredibly damaging to their movement, but that Paul Simon managed to record a critically acclaimed album which made a lot of money, while damaging future prospects for the people who were opressed.
    Teyla Emmagan wrote: »
    Dervish's description, not mine.

    Here you go: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0504/1224315593067.html

    We'll just take their word on this, then? Seems like Dervish might be taking a leaf from Paul Simon's book.


  • #87
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    Toby Take a Bow wrote: »
    Aye. It's like in the 80s and how the ANC tried to bully Paul Simon when he was trying to record Graceland. The important thing is not that the ANC viewed Simon's breaking of the boycott as incredibly damaging to their movement, but that Paul Simon managed to record a critically acclaimed album which made a lot of money, while damaging future prospects for the people who were opressed.

    We'll just take their word on this, then? Seems like Dervish might be taking a leaf from Paul Simon's book.

    Well I didn't extensively research the alleged abuse myself, but I presume that whoever wrote the article about them in the Irish Times, and in today's Sindo and in several other places did. Perhaps naive, but I don't see anywhere else online except for this thread that suggests we are all having the wool pulled over our eyes by a bunch of self promoting traditional music marketeers.


  • #88
    galwayrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Battered Mars Bar wrote: »
    Bin laden was delighted with the Irish Palestine solidarity, I don't recall myself saying that I supported Palestine but there ya go.

    Nice bedfellows indeed...:rolleyes:


  • #89
    Joko
    Closed Accounts Posts: 126 ✭✭Joko


    From the OP article:
    Among those who wrote on the band’s website was Dr Raymond Deane, the founder of the boycott campaign, who warned the band that it would have “lost all credibility” if it had played in Israel.

    This is the wanker who had his **** "music" on the leaving cert music course:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41XrSLNbasA


  • #90
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    Teyla Emmagan wrote: »
    Well I didn't extensively research the alleged abuse myself, but I presume that whoever wrote the article about them in the Irish Times, and in today's Sindo and in several other places did. Perhaps naive, but I don't see anywhere else online except for this thread that suggests we are all having the wool pulled over our eyes by a bunch of self promoting traditional music marketeers.

    A quick glance over their Facebook page and the only negative comments seem to be directed specifically at their announcement that they're pulling out. Unless they deleted the original comments. Any other comments are generally positive. Mention of Israel and the status 'likes' and 'comments' increase by some 300% on other non-Israeli related updates.

    Regardless of whether this is true or not (like I say, it was only a cursory glance) it's always good to be cynical. Especially when it comes to the type of journalism that the IT regularly pedal.


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  • #91
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    These people are anti-democracy and anti freedom of choice. Most of them belong to socialist and IRA supporting groups

    The last time I checked, Freedom of Speech, Freedom to Dissent and Freedom to Protest were wholeheartedly democratic ideals.
    Ironic, as there seems to be quite an undertone in this thread suggesting that this protest shouldn't have been allowed, or that the social media campaign was doing something wrong by speaking freely.

    Now have a go again, who exactly is anti-democracy...?


  • #92
    DERPY HOOFS
    Site Banned Posts: 116 ✭✭DERPY HOOFS


    A PA country would be as messed up as Libya Syria Iran etc etc
    Do we really need another terrorist state controlled by Hamas and their suicide bombers.


  • #93
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    DERPY HOOFS wrote: »
    A PA country would be as messed up as Libya Syria Iran etc etc
    Do we really need another terrorist state controlled by Hamas and their suicide bombers.

    Would it be any worse than the terrorist state next door controlled by extreme religious nutjobs like Netanyahu, who believe they have a right to bulldoze people's homes and throw them out on the street because an ancient book tells them they rightfully own the land those people are living on?

    I'd argue that it would be a lot less dangerous actually, since it wouldn't have millions of dollars in weapons money poured into it annually by the "freedom loving" United States of America...


  • #94
    Pedant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Pedant


    Irish Palestine Solidarity Movement: Useful Idiots (for Islamist Arabs states).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiWdIrY_5FE


  • #95
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,520 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    By not going they are taking a position on the issue...... Should have just went.

    Either way bar the temporary internet ruckus and the tiny nothing of people who really care about some far away countries that aren't emigration destinations, the show goes on.


  • #96
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    I'd argue that it would be a lot less dangerous actually, since it wouldn't have millions of dollars in weapons money poured into it annually by the "freedom loving" United States of America...

    And don't forget their latest gift of some German submarines. What chance do the kids with rocks stand now?


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  • #97
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    The last time I checked, Freedom of Speech, Freedom to Dissent and Freedom to Protest were wholeheartedly democratic ideals.
    Ironic, as there seems to be quite an undertone in this thread suggesting that this protest shouldn't have been allowed, or that the social media campaign was doing something wrong by speaking freely.

    Now have a go again, who exactly is anti-democracy...?

    These people use fear and intimidation to enforce their ideals. The only democracy that these extremist left wing groups will accept is their own brand.


  • #98
    hungrypig
    Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭hungrypig


    richard hillman- what a load of nonsense. are you referring to the palestinian lobby or people in general who have 'left' leanings ?
    how do they use fear ?
    there has also been a lot of annoying commentary about pro palestinian supportersturning a blind eye to other human rights campaigns. the suggestion here is that you have no right to support one human rights campaign unless you support every human rights campaign in the world.......this is just not possible. however it is a view that suits the majority of people, especially here because then they can turn a blind eye to all injustice in the world.
    i applaud any artist who refuses to endorse the ethnic cleansing carried out by the israelis against the palestinian people. it is an area i have visited and worked in. the 'state' of israel is not and was never based on democracy or justice.i don't think dervish fall into this category, i'd say it was poor ticket sales
    i personally refuse to buy israeli products as i see boycott as a powerful form of protest.
    i cant possibly protest against every violation of human rights but i have every right to protest against the documented and outrageous violation of human rights of the palestinian people.
    some people on this thread make me sick


  • #99
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    These people use fear and intimidation to enforce their ideals. The only democracy that these extremist left wing groups will accept is their own brand.

    I think you're missing the point of democracy. As long as they're not breaking the law (and if they are, links please) it's just people expressing a different opinion to yourself


  • #100
    shancoduff
    Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭shancoduff


    :D

    Jeremy Usborne: [about politicians] They should be more honest. I mean, at least Tony Adams from the IRA, he's like, "Yeah, I shoot people. I like shooting people." You know, if they were more honest, then maybe people would vote and not switch straight over when the news comes on.
    Johnson: You turn over when the news comes on?
    Jeremy Usborne: No, no. No, sometimes... maybe for a treat but generally it's great, isn't it? Who do you support? Mark likes Israel, I'm Palestine. Makes it more interesting when you a pick a... No?


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    Nodin
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    Pedant wrote: »
    Irish Palestine Solidarity Movement: Useful Idiots (for Islamist Arabs states).

    Possibly the most insightful post we've had on the subject since somebody typed 'Fuck Israel'. I may rethink my entire position on the matter.


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