New Ten Week Roster

are you serious · 12-02-2012 7:44pm

ForegoneReality wrote: »

Ahh yes...D day..

I can see all Supers/Cigs/Sgt ICs scratching their heads wondering..

Where the feck are we going to find lads for this fabled Unit E?

I reckon this will only be a problem outside the cities no?

13-02-2012 4:05am

garkane wrote: »

ForegoneReality wrote: »

Ahh yes...D day..

I can see all Supers/Cigs/Sgt ICs scratching their heads wondering..

Where the feck are we going to find lads for this fabled Unit E?

I reckon this will only be a problem outside the cities no?

It'll be a huge problem outside the cities

d3exile · 13-02-2012 9:53am

0325422 wrote: »

garkane wrote: »

ForegoneReality wrote: »

Ahh yes...D day..

I can see all Supers/Cigs/Sgt ICs scratching their heads wondering..

Where the feck are we going to find lads for this fabled Unit E?

I reckon this will only be a problem outside the cities no?

It'll be a huge problem outside the cities

The four existing units will lose a couple of members surely? Will make a huge hit on rural sub district stations where they're thin on the ground already!!

pa990 · 13-02-2012 7:10pm

April 30th seems to be the new date !!

Also payroll problems may see it pushed back even further, if my sources are correct.

rondeco · 15-02-2012 6:51pm

Why do people consider the 8 or so hours after a sunday night shift as not being time off?

are you serious · 15-02-2012 9:24pm

rondeco (you cant just take it like that on just one shift, you need to take into account the whole week that we have just had, so here's my typical week)

Its like this, if you start work at 10pm and finish at 6am when would you logically go to bed considering you are back in work again at 10pm the next night...

If you then work a full week of that shift you are exhausted by the time your 7th night comes round so you go to bed.
Personally I work in the city centre which is different than the suburbam stations where beat work is the norm every night, you may not get a chance to be in a car all wee, so I could have to walk for 7 hours of my night(yes i actually am allowed a break :rolleyes: )

But this is what everyone outside the job doesnt get, your not going to bed at 6am, by the time you get home, wash and then sometimes have something to eat you can add at minimum an hour to 6am that... Sleep then get up have some dinner (body clock thinks breakfast) that brings you up to roughly 5pm, wide awake now and not needing sleep you try do something useful with the remaining hours of the day - but wait most of your friends work a 9-5 so they have just got in from work have washed had dinner and are about ready to do things come 7pm but wont because they are going to bed early to be up at half 7ish for work at 9.....

So in the time off on a Monday you then think what can I do now, NOTHING is the answer therefore you do not count the monday, bed time for normal people10-11pm but wait I just got up at half 3 i'm wide awake having slept all morning and my body is expecting to ready itself for another night which isnt going to happen... I lie awake for hours and hours in bed from 12 maybe if i'm lucky i'll fall asleep before 5am and then Tuesday is pretty much a repeat of Monday, wait then Ive work on Wednesday at 2pm I better go to bed earlier on Tuesday night but I know I wont sleep because again I slept all Tuesday Morning trying to get out of my week of nights routine...

Hope this explains why we dont count them hours...

p.s god forbid I have a wife/kids/dogs or any kind of anything else to do with my "8" hours after the night shift... oh and just to add to this, I've drove home after a week of night on the Sunday night/Monday morning in a state of mind I can only say feels like I am drink driving, wake up Monday morning wondering did I drive home and what way did I drive....(seriously)

pa990 · 15-02-2012 10:12pm

garkane wrote: »

rondeco (you cant just take it like that on just one shift, you need to take into account the whole week that we have just had, so here's my typical week)

Its like this, if you start work at 10pm and finish at 6am when would you logically go to bed considering you are back in work again at 10pm the next night...

If you then work a full week of that shift you are exhausted by the time your 7th night comes round so you go to bed.
Personally I work in the city centre which is different than the suburbam stations where beat work is the norm every night, you may not get a chance to be in a car all wee, so I could have to walk for 7 hours of my night(yes i actually am allowed a break :rolleyes: )

But this is what everyone outside the job doesnt get, your not going to bed at 6am, by the time you get home, wash and then sometimes have something to eat you can add at minimum an hour to 6am that... Sleep then get up have some dinner (body clock thinks breakfast) that brings you up to roughly 5pm, wide awake now and not needing sleep you try do something useful with the remaining hours of the day - but wait most of your friends work a 9-5 so they have just got in from work have washed had dinner and are about ready to do things come 7pm but wont because they are going to bed early to be up at half 7ish for work at 9.....

So in the time off on a Monday you then think what can I do now, NOTHING is the answer therefore you do not count the monday, bed time for normal people10-11pm but wait I just got up at half 3 i'm wide awake having slept all morning and my body is expecting to ready itself for another night which isnt going to happen... I lie awake for hours and hours in bed from 12 maybe if i'm lucky i'll fall asleep before 5am and then Tuesday is pretty much a repeat of Monday, wait then Ive work on Wednesday at 2pm I better go to bed earlier on Tuesday night but I know I wont sleep because again I slept all Tuesday Morning trying to get out of my week of nights routine...

Hope this explains why we dont count them hours...

p.s god forbid I have a wife/kids/dogs or any kind of anything else to do with my "8" hours after the night shift... oh and just to add to this, I've drove home after a week of night on the Sunday night/Monday morning in a state of mind I can only say feels like I am drink driving, wake up Monday morning wondering did I drive home and what way did I drive....(seriously)

Completely agree. especially with the driving home bit.

kub · 15-02-2012 10:34pm

Oh oh, it seems like we are going to have a lot of cranky Gardai with these new shifts.:D

are you serious · 15-02-2012 11:07pm

Personally I cant wait for the new shift

pah · 16-02-2012 2:26am

[ p.s god forbid I have a wife/kids/dogs or any kind of anything else to do with my "8" hours after the night shift

Anyone who does certainly won't be sleeping til the luxurious hour of 3.30pm

coach23 · 17-02-2012 8:01pm

pa990 wrote: »

April 30th seems to be the new date !!

Also payroll problems may see it pushed back even further, if my sources are correct.

Payroll problems? sure the pay system is staying the same? all allowances and OT are every 4 weeks same as now

Corcioch · 18-02-2012 2:12pm

Com1186 wrote: »

http://www.gra.cc/roster_proposals.shtml

What does everyone think of the proposed 10 week roster, apart from needing a masters degree just to read it!

a little birdy told me that this roster has been put out there to make the reverse country roster look more appealing and that no matter what it will be the reverse country we will be working next!

Seems your "little birdy" hadn't a flipping clue . . . . .nothing new there mind.

pa990 · 18-02-2012 2:30pm

coach23 wrote: »

Payroll problems? sure the pay system is staying the same? all allowances and OT are every 4 weeks same as now

when i say payroll problems, i mean minor changes that will have to be made to accommodate the changes, which may involve a change somewhere along the line, and none of that can even begin until everything is absolutely finalised.
i'm just thinking ppars etc

Com1186 · 21-02-2012 12:33am

don't be creul to my little birdy..... he wont be working it anyways! we will.... whether its

or :eek:.... time will tell!

tom traubert · 23-02-2012 4:56pm

So, it appears that April 30th has been declared as the start date of the new roster. Confusion shall reign supreme for a while, and then......................., who knows?

misterdarkness · 23-02-2012 5:00pm

as someone in a sub station i really like it

alot of stuff happens after 1am when im finished and i really dont mind working on as the time off it better and i believe the leave stays the same so if anything we are gaining time off

Bring it on

tom traubert · 23-02-2012 5:22pm

misterdarkness wrote: »

as someone in a sub station i really like it alot of stuff happens after 1am when im finished and i really dont mind working on as the time off it better and i believe the leave stays the same so if anything we are gaining time off

Bring it on

I'd agree that from a work p.o.v. it seems better but that's contingent on having the basic tools to do the job. A vehicle of some sort, for instance, in my case would be of great assistance. Having a 50 square mile rural sub-district to look after ain't easy at the moment. However, I'll not derail the thread.

What concerns me most tbh is child care. I have 3 under 8, the youngest under 2 and my wife also works (luckily). It appears from early calculations that costs may rise by as much as 50% in our case. We'll get 'til a fortnight into the little'uns summer hols out of the 1st roster and I suppose we'll have a better idea of where we stand then.

pa990 · 23-02-2012 5:52pm

tom traubert wrote: »

So, it appears that April 30th has been declared as the start date of the new roster. Confusion shall reign supreme for a while, and then......................., who knows?

UPDATE ON ROSTERS Tues. 21.02.12
The Gda Commr has advised that the Pilot Roster will commence on 30th April ‘12. We are seeking to address outstanding issues in the Working Time Agreement re compensatory rest. We have secured agreement that “Late1” tours will finish at 10 pm for Core / Non-Core Units.

Pilot my arse..

misterdarkness · 23-02-2012 6:16pm

tom traubert wrote: »

I'd agree that from a work p.o.v. it seems better but that's contingent on having the basic tools to do the job. A vehicle of some sort, for instance, in my case would be of great assistance. Having a 50 square mile rural sub-district to look after ain't easy at the moment. However, I'll not derail the thread.

What concerns me most tbh is child care. I have 3 under 8, the youngest under 2 and my wife also works (luckily). It appears from early calculations that costs may rise by as much as 50% in our case. We'll get 'til a fortnight into the little'uns summer hols out of the 1st roster and I suppose we'll have a better idea of where we stand then.

Well agree with you there different sub stations have different resources. I'm lucky I think we are only sub district in the state with a perminent land crusier for 3 guards but saying that we do have reasons for needing that.

Also have a kid to think of and but again I'm lucky in how it effects me. Completely agree that my circumstances are different to others it might not suit

But thing is a new roster of sorts is coming and no matter eh at it won't suit everyone no matter what management do.

I don't see why or if it can be put on trial run in dmr. A pilot means possibiliy of rejection and it has to come in by eu law. So final agreed roster will roll out nationally at same time so I think and local management seems to think so too.

But plain clothes and traffic WILL not be happy new unit means more manpower. Hey sure even us sub stations are not safe from being reduced to meet the staffing needs.

misterdarkness · 23-02-2012 6:18pm

Forward for your attention please

Bosh · 23-02-2012 6:20pm

And tell me, this roster had to come in as part of Croke Park.

What happens if Government gives into media pressure & collapses the Agreement on 1st June say?

Do we revert to old roster or do we do as we're told and continue with the new one as directed?

Hooch · 23-02-2012 6:23pm

Bosh wrote: »

And tell me, this roster had to come in as part of Croke Park.

What happens if Government gives into media pressure & collapses the Agreement on 1st June say?

Do we revert to old roster or do we do as we're told and continue with the new one as directed?

No because your Supt will be directing your new working shift pattern, not the CPA.

(I know what your saying and all by the way:))

FGR · 23-02-2012 8:20pm

We all know it's going to happen Bosh. They'll get what they want. We'll implement all changes (PALF and the like) and when it's all done they'll scrap CPA and hit us with a cut anyway.

It's bound to happen. This is Ireland after all.

/i'm an optimist, me.

misterdarkness · 23-02-2012 9:13pm

ForegoneReality wrote: »

We all know it's going to happen Bosh. They'll get what they want. We'll implement all changes (PALF and the like) and when it's all done they'll scrap CPA and hit us with a cut anyway.

It's bound to happen. This is Ireland after all.

/i'm an optimist, me.

You will all toe the line !!!!!!!!!!!

Of course management get they want it's always been that way. And with all this crossing over there will be ALOT less opertunity for OT

Is that last boat still leaving for austrailia????

bluetop · 24-02-2012 2:06am

misterdarkness wrote: »

You will all toe the line !!!!!!!!!!!

Of course management get they want it's always been that way. And with all this crossing over there will be ALOT less opertunity for OT

Is that last boat still leaving for austrailia????

Well what are the people that sit around the table doing about it ie GRA, they take the money what do they actually do for it................ oh ya, agree to everything as long as its in their interest, just wondering what side of the table are they on.

mmmm lets not rock the boat here !!

Zambia · 24-02-2012 2:17pm

misterdarkness wrote: »

Is that last boat still leaving for austrailia????

The force is strong with this one.....:)

NBar · 01-03-2012 10:30am

So there are 3 versions of this roster; Core, Non-Core and DDU. Anyone know of anymore versions?? Thought there were only going to be 2 but this 3rd one for the DDU so they can get a few rounds of golf etc in

:D:D, fair play to them

bluetop · 02-03-2012 12:04am

NBar wrote: »

So there are 3 versions of this roster; Core, Non-Core and DDU. Anyone know of anymore versions?? Thought there were only going to be 2 but this 3rd one for the DDU so they can get a few rounds of golf etc in :D:D, fair play to them

Regional Traffic Corp think they are also working from a different one as well! could be wrong.

NBar · 02-03-2012 7:00pm

bluetop wrote: »

Regional Traffic Corp think they are also working from a different one as well! could be wrong.

Yup, just heard that today, god its getting better. Wonder will there be a community one as well. Before we know it there will be a dozen different rosters:D:D:D

deadwood · 02-03-2012 7:14pm

The Continuity Roster, The 32 Sovereign Ring Roster and the Real Rooster.

mojorex · 02-03-2012 7:15pm

cool

FGR · 02-03-2012 11:42pm

deadwood wrote: »

Real Rooster.

Normally I'd think that's a typo but considering that it's yourself I'm thinking otherwise!

rondeco · 16-04-2012 9:43pm

Can anyone tell me what happened to the thread about getting the roster on your iphone?

Turner · 17-04-2012 12:59am

rondeco wrote: »

Can anyone tell me what happened to the thread about getting the roster on your iphone?

St Raphaels have released an app for iphone.

rondeco · 17-04-2012 5:12pm

Sorry, my mistake. I should really have clarified what I am looking for. I can get the app for iphone but that thread had details on how to get it on an android phone. Can anyone tell me how or add any help?

pah · 17-04-2012 5:33pm

Thread is gone as far as I can tell. Raphaels App no longer downloadable from the link I got from the OP of the thread you refer to. Looks like it was pulled for some reason. too public maybe?

are you serious · 17-04-2012 10:38pm

rondeco wrote: »

Sorry, my mistake. I should really have clarified what I am looking for. I can get the app for iphone but that thread had details on how to get it on an android phone. Can anyone tell me how or add any help?

I was talking with him today, that thread is gone as raphaels have the app out now.

tom traubert · 17-04-2012 10:47pm

For those who missed the boat you could try downloading and using the free app, FlexR. Available on Android and pretty simple to use.

Hooch · 17-04-2012 11:58pm

That thread offering the rosters has been moved and is no longer available for viewing.

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