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Irelands most likely Olympic 2012 Medals

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  • #1152
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Dodge wrote: »
    http://www.olympicsport.ie/news/5588-team-ireland-london-2012-qualifiers.html
    This names all the qualifiers, but doesn't list all the events in which they will take part. For instance, I understand that Fionnuala Britton is to run the 5000m as well as the 10000m. What's the deadline for entering a qualified competitor for extra events?


  • #1153
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    What's the story about Denis Lynch's horse?


  • #1154
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/olympics-snub-has-left-mills-stunned-16180955.html
    Read this from the Belfast Telegraph. It appears that Joanna Mills and just about everybody in Northern Ireland is livid. Are they rightly annoyed?


  • #1155
    FitzjamesHorse
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭FitzjamesHorse


    I live in the North of Ireland and I cant say that I am livid.
    Presumably when the relay team goes to the starting block for the heat of the 4x400 relay, it will be the best four athletes and at best Ms Mills and Ms C Cuddihy are reserves for that team.
    It is unlikely either will get a run.
    And I think Joanne is selected for the World Juniors where she will get a run.
    It would be nice to see some northern athletes make the Track and Field team and possibly Jason Smyth and Ciara Mageean are borderline selections.
    All selections especially for a relay are always going to be controversial.
    Irish Athletics is prone to factionalism and gossip.......and frankly if more club athletes put more effort into running, jumping and throwing as they do into complaining on their blogs about AAI, then Id respect them more.


  • #1156
    Dan man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Dan man


    Joanna Mills has replaced Catriona Cuddihy on the relay team after a successful appeal....correct decision in my view but it never should have come to this. The AAI made a huge blunder by putting Catriona on the team ahead of Joanna, there was absolutely no grounds they could argue for a legitimate reason behind that decision. Mills is much younger, much faster personal best, faster season's best, proven at major championships at underage level and has relay experience.
    What the AAI should do now is that instead of breaking the heart of Catriona Cuddihy by now telling her she's off the team, they should include both girls and drop Jessie Barr from the squad of 6. This sounds drastic but it's not. Barr should instead be sent to London in the 400m hurdles with her B-standard for that event and in doing so she can still compete in the relay team without being named in the squad of 6.
    The AAI are making bad judgements now on a regular basis that are clear to even casual followers of athletics let alone to the knowledgeable fan or the athletes themselves. They need to sort out their act, it's not fair on the athletes and after all they are the priority.


  • #1157
    Truman Burbank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Truman Burbank


    Dan man wrote: »
    Joanna Mills has replaced Catriona Cuddihy on the relay team after a successful appeal....correct decision in my view but it never should have come to this. The AAI made a huge blunder by putting Catriona on the team ahead of Joanna, there was absolutely no grounds they could argue for a legitimate reason behind that decision. Mills is much younger, much faster personal best, faster season's best, proven at major championships at underage level and has relay experience.
    What the AAI should do now is that instead of breaking the heart of Catriona Cuddihy by now telling her she's off the team, they should include both girls and drop Jessie Barr from the squad of 6. This sounds drastic but it's not. Barr should instead be sent to London in the 400m hurdles with her B-standard for that event and in doing so she can still compete in the relay team without being named in the squad of 6.
    The AAI are making bad judgements now on a regular basis that are clear to even casual followers of athletics let alone to the knowledgeable fan or the athletes themselves. They need to sort out their act, it's not fair on the athletes and after all they are the priority.

    As a "casual follower", it beggars belief that they did what they did. Do we know, for sure, what was their reasoning behind this initial incompetence apart from their apparent e-mail?? Am delighted Joanna Mills appealed. Well, her team anyway. Terrible to put her/them through this.

    Re Catriona Cuddihy - A profuse apology won't cut much weight even if she knew the place should not have gone to her in the first instance, but apart from sentiment here, there seems no need to include Cuddihy, there's already the 6 best qualified and coaching needs to concentrate on them. I get what you're saying, but surely this is just more messin around? Experience for Cuddihy? Yes! Necessary for the women's relay. No!


  • #1158
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Dan's solution seems fair and sensible, preferably with the agreement of all parties. It would, one would hope, be academic regarding Ireland's prospects, since it affects only the reserves' bench.
    C. Cuddihy's present situation bears similarities to being acquitted of a crime, and then being told: " Sorry, we made a mistake, you're convicted."
    The result of the ultimately disappointed party in this matter going to the High Court is anybody's guess.
    I'm not familiar with the factionalism etc. referred to by Fitz, but if I devoted all my waking hours to qualifying for London, and failed, I would feel deflated. If that failure resulted solely from an administrative error I would be very angry indeed.


  • #1159
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Dan's solution seems fair and sensible, preferably with the agreement of all parties. It's impact on Ireland's prospects would, one would hope, be academic, since it would affect only the reserves' bench.
    C. Cuddihy's present situation bears similarities to being acquitted of a crime, and then being told, " sorry, we made a mistake, on second thoughts you are convicted."
    The result of the ultimately disappointed party in this matter going to the High Court is anybody's guess.
    I'm not familiar with the factionalism etc. referred to by Fitz, but if I devoted all my waking hours to qualifying for London, and failed, I would feel very deflated. If that failure resulted solely from an administrative error I would be very angry indeed.
    This is as much about young athletes' lives as it is about the honour and glory of Ireland.


  • #1160
    knockcon
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭knockcon


    Chloe Magee has shown good form in the build-up to the Olympics Reaching the final at an event in russia. Not many ov the worlds top ranked women are competing but a good confidence booster nonetheless, especially so close to London. Good luck to her in the final.


  • #1161
    Truman Burbank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Truman Burbank


    Catriona Cuddihy appealing


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  • #1162
    Dan man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Dan man


    I have created a virtual Olympic medals table based on medals won at the most recent World Championships in each sport. I've posted it over on the Olympic Countdown Thread, you can view it here....

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79636200&postcount=87

    Remember, it isn't a prediction based table but as I said based on recent World Championship medals.


  • #1163
    Truman Burbank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Truman Burbank


    http://www.rte.ie/sport/olympics/2012/0709/328459-brammeier-loses-appeal-for-olympic-place/


  • #1164
    Dan man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Dan man


    Showjumper Denis Lynch out of the Olympic team! He'll be replaced by another Irish combination:

    http://www.rte.ie/sport/equestrian/2012/0709/328467-lynch-out-of-olympic-team/


  • #1165
    Dan man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Dan man


    Cian O'Connor has been chosen as replacement for Denis Lynch for Olympic showjumping competition. He will ride Blue Loyd in London.


  • #1166
    Truman Burbank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Truman Burbank


    Dan man wrote: »
    Cian O'Connor has been chosen as replacement for Denis Lynch for Olympic showjumping competition. He will ride Blue Loyd in London.

    Dan, when you get a chance, will you pass on the list of banned substances to Horse Sport Ireland please for dissemination?


  • #1167
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Am I the only one who thinks its a disgrace that he is back in Irish team after the disgrace in 2004?


  • #1168
    Dan man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Dan man


    Truman Burbank wrote: »
    Dan, when you get a chance, will you pass on the list of banned substances to Horse Sport Ireland please for dissemination?

    I will do, thanks :pac:


  • #1169
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks its a disgrace that he is back in Irish team after the disgrace in 2004?

    It's a complete joke and HSI are giving the two fingers to the IOC with this brazen selection...


  • #1170
    Dodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    It's a complete joke and HSI are giving the two fingers to the IOC with this brazen selection...

    Ah the IOC don't care. There's tons of ex-dopers in loads of sports. O'Connor (despite having his medal revoked) isn't even one of the more prominent ones.

    Rules are there. As long as he's clean now and served his ban, they have to select the best available (see all the court cases from ex-dopers)

    What should happen is life bans so situation like this don't arise


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  • #1171
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    [Quote=Dodge;

    What should happen is life bans
    I agree entirely. Far too much of sport is about pusillanimous legislators, and how the show must go on etc.. And money so often rules. In rugby if you stamp on a guy's head you'll probably get away with a 6 months' ban. In physical contact sport it should be enough to put your life on the line through the risk of serious accidental personal injury besides having to put up with thuggery as well. But that's another issue. It's just another example of administrative cynicism analogous to the drugs issue.


  • #1172
    knockcon
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭knockcon


    Looks like Cian O'Connor's selection is not too popular in this thread! A bit of a shame in my opinion, given he was punished for his crime 8 years ago. He served the punishment, and has moved on. Am i bit a bit naive here in saying that the crime itself was that the horse was given a banned substance, but not performance enhancing, so its not like he was trying to get a competitive advantage.

    People should get behind him, and all the other Irish competitors. Good luck to him in London.


  • #1173
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    knockcon wrote: »
    Looks like Cian O'Connor's selection is not too popular in this thread! A bit of a shame in my opinion, given he was punished for his crime 8 years ago. He served the punishment, and has moved on. Am i bit a bit naive here in saying that the crime itself was that the horse was given a banned substance, but not performance enhancing, so its not like he was trying to get a competitive advantage.

    People should get behind him, and all the other Irish competitors. Good luck to him in London.

    That's right the substance did not in any way enhance the horse's performance. I was also under the impression that Cian himself wasn't made aware of the horse being given the substance.


  • #1174
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Michelle Smith was also clean in Atlanta. However her medal haul will forever be sullied by her actions afterwards.

    Similar with O'Connor. His Gold Medal wasn't revoked for giving the horse smarties...

    But what really got to me was the gross arrogance of the man in the aftermath...


  • #1175
    Dodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    But what really got to me was the gross arrogance of the man in the aftermath...

    He's not likeable, thats for sure.

    Still hope he medals


  • #1176
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Re the Irish relay team, it's reported that the AAI, as obliged to do, contacted all team members to give them an opportunity to make a personal submission, but did so to an address not recognised by their internet accounts. So the notices went to their "junk" boxes, and this was not discovered until Saturday night after J. Mills' appeal had been heard. Have these people a future in a comedy show?


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  • #1177
    DavidForde
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭DavidForde


    Great posts Dan, interesting & informative. Have you altered any of your initial predictions now we are this close to the Games?


  • #1178
    Dan man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Dan man


    DavidForde wrote: »
    Great posts Dan, interesting & informative. Have you altered any of your initial predictions now we are this close to the Games?

    Thanks...there has been a lot of change in fortunes since this thread took off, some good, some not so good. Big positives would be that we are still on course for a gold medal and still looking good to claim at least 3 medals and could sneak more depending how well the boxing team get on. Whenever anyone asks me now, I tend to opt for real conservative estimate of 3 medals but as many as 5 is definitely possible. Breaking it down by sport, it is not unreasonable to expect 2 boxing medals. We have 2 very strong sailing medal hopes and decent potential for success in women's triathlon, men's C1 sprint canoeing, men's 50km walk, equestrian and a couple of other outside chances. So apart from boxing we should get a medal in one of those other events I mentioned. This means it would be a big surprise if we didn't get to 3 medals and we have more than 1 gold medal chance amongst the hopefuls. Anything above 3 medals would be a bonus but fairly probable. As I said though our success will be largely influenced by the boxers. They could bring home a haul of medals in that sport alone but the draw will be crucial.


  • #1179
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    What's the latest on Derval O'Rourke's injury?


  • #1180
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Saw this on After Hours, but is it true that Katie Taylor only has to win 1 fight to win medal?

    Thought it was 2 myself.


  • #1181
    KevIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Is the Irish team now finalised numbers wise at 65?


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  • #1182
    paulgeog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭paulgeog


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Saw this on After Hours, but is it true that Katie Taylor only has to win 1 fight to win medal?

    Thought it was 2 myself.

    She'll be seeded and goes through to the last 8, meaning one victory needed to guarantee a bronze medal. I'll be shocked if she doesn't gold, however stranger things have happened in sport.


  • #1183
    Dan man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Dan man


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Saw this on After Hours, but is it true that Katie Taylor only has to win 1 fight to win medal?

    Thought it was 2 myself.

    As Taylor is seeded number 1, both her and Ochigava (second seed) are through automatically to the quarter-finals. This means that one win will guarantee bronze.
    KevIRL wrote: »
    Is the Irish team now finalised numbers wise at 65?

    Yes I think it's pretty much a certainty now that the final team is 65 members, a really strong number considering the tough qualification procedures and the fact that 60 of them will be competing in individual events.


  • #1184
    swim2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭swim2


    Interesting reading about training facilities and why so many of our Athletes have to still train abroad in preparation for the games!!
    There were some foreign teams based in Ireland before the games, syncro swimming in Dublin and one swimmer from Chile based in Limerick, Kristel Kobrich

    The Irish Times - Wednesday, July 18, 2012
    Attract them? We can't keep our own
    JOHNNY WATTERSON

    THE LAST piece of big news from the governmental group that had been set up specifically to draw foreign teams into Ireland prior to London 2012 was when Olympic Council of Ireland president Pat Hickey decided it was going nowhere.

    <Snip>
    Link to article


  • #1185
    Dan man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Dan man


    I've posted some of the Irish team profiles for London 2012....more to follow soon.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2056704963


  • #1186
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Today's Daily Telegraph has an excellent 60 page guide to London 2012. Naturally, the articles focus almost entirely on Britain, but there is a complete timetable of events. Sorry for not telling you earlier. My tablet went on strike this morning.


  • #1187
    Dan man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Dan man


    I'll create a timetable for Irish athletes before the Games begin, will be handy to have each evening to look at who is competing day-by-day.


  • #1188
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Dan man wrote: »
    I'll create a timetable for Irish athletes before the Games begin, will be handy to have each evening to look at who is competing day-by-day.
    I was hoping one of you might do that. Do you intend to create a complete timetable at the start or will it be done day by day?


  • #1189
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Dan man wrote: »
    I'll create a timetable for Irish athletes before the Games begin, will be handy to have each evening to look at who is competing day-by-day.
    I was hoping one of you might do that. Do you intend to create a complete timetable at the start or will it be done day by day?


  • #1190
    Dan man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Dan man


    feargale wrote: »
    I was hoping one of you might do that. Do you intend to create a complete timetable at the start or will it be done day by day?

    I'll post a complete one, then in the daily diary thread, the timetable for that specific day can be posted the evening before.


  • #1191
    CFP
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭CFP


    Irish athlete schedule available here:
    http://www.olympicsport.ie/news/5802-irish-athletes-schedule-part-1.html

    Would love to know if there is one for our Paralympic athletes.


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  • #1192
    Dodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Dan man wrote: »
    I'll post a complete one, then in the daily diary thread, the timetable for that specific day can be posted the evening before.

    The complete schedule isn't known until all the draws are made. For example we found out today that Scott Evans has one game while Chloe Magee has 2 in badminton. Boxing draws will decide if they go in morning or evening sessions etc etc

    I've a few spreadsheets on the go. This chart show kinda how many we have in action each day. Red numbers on yellow background are definites. Black on green background are dependent on draws and progressing.

    At least 1 irish competitor in action each day


  • #1193
    Dodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    BIG BIG breaking news.

    Arthur Lanigan-O'Keeffe has been invited to compete in men's Modern Pentathlon as replacement Lukaz Klekot, who has tested positive for a banned substance


  • #1194
    Dan man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Dan man


    Dodge wrote: »
    BIG BIG breaking news.

    Arthur Lanigan-O'Keeffe has been invited to compete in men's Modern Pentathlon as replacement Lukaz Klekot, who has tested positive for a banned substance

    Excellent news....I had heard about the Polish guy being withdrawn but thought that at this stage they might just go with 35 instead of the usual 36 competitors in London. I've a spring in my step after hearing that so can't imagine how Arthur is feeling!!


  • #1195
    Truman Burbank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Truman Burbank


    Dodge wrote: »
    BIG BIG breaking news.

    Arthur Lanigan-O'Keeffe has been invited to compete in men's Modern Pentathlon as replacement Lukaz Klekot, who has tested positive for a banned substance

    Great for Arthur, bad for sport (as always). Re training - will he be in the shape he could have been in had he known he was going, i.e. would he have kept his training up to what he would have?

    http://www.rte.ie/sport/olympics/modern-pentathlon/2012/0723/330256-lanigan-okeeffe-to-replace-banned-klekot/


  • #1196
    Dan man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Dan man


    Scott Evans has been drawn to play world no.2 and favourite for Olympic gold, Lin Dan of China. Here are the details Chloe's draw (only group winner advances to the last 16):

    Women's Singles:
    Group I
    Pi Hongyan (16th seed, world ranking 25th)
    Hadia Hosny (world ranking 113th)
    Chloe Magee (world ranking 44th)


  • #1197
    paulgeog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭paulgeog


    Just wondering if Dan Man or anyone else can tell me how many of the Irish team are students or alumni of Colleges and Universities in USA, UK and particularly Ireland, and if the sports programs there made a significant contribution to the athletes progression.

    This article about UK athletes sparked my interest:

    http://www.podium.ac.uk/news/view/897/majority-of-team-gb-at-london-2012-olympic-games-are-products-of-higher-education

    Coming from both a boxing and university background I know the IABA have not utilized the resources of higher education institutions to their advantage (as yet).


  • #1198
    Dan man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭Dan man


    paulgeog wrote: »
    Just wondering if Dan Man or anyone else can tell me how many of the Irish team are students or alumni of Colleges and Universities in USA, UK and particularly Ireland, and if the sports programs there made a significant contribution to the athletes progression.

    This article about UK athletes sparked my interest:

    http://www.podium.ac.uk/news/view/897/majority-of-team-gb-at-london-2012-olympic-games-are-products-of-higher-education

    Coming from both a boxing and university background I know the IABA have not utilized the resources of higher education institutions to their advantage (as yet).

    I couldn't tell you of the top of my head but there are quite a few who are currently or have in the past been involved in a combined sports and education programme at various universities across Ireland and abroad. It's fairly common amongst the athletics team members to have a training set-up at their third-level education institution in their formative years and those institutions are good at working their schedule around both aspects of the athlete's life.

    Boxing though as you say hasn't really made use of such set ups. Would be an interesting thing to research....what about the British boxers, are there many of those who are students and with training set-up at their chosen third-level institution?


  • #1199
    paulgeog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭paulgeog


    I would imagine the vast majority of the Irish athletes have come through third-level education. Boxing would be the exception to this rule. Some Irish Olympic boxers have attended colleges, Darren Sutherland (RIP)-DCU, Darren O'Neill-St Pats, Drumcondra, Adam Nolan-Garda College. Darren Sutherland may have received a Sports Scolarship from DCU.

    None of them would have competed in Third Level Competitions, not even at European and World Level where competition would be of a much more elite level. Hopefully after the upcoming Olympics, Irish Boxing will embrace the opportunities that Higher Education institutions provide (Facilities, scholarships, sports science etc.), because the competition certainly does.

    I would hope that the long awaited IABA 4 Year Strategic Plan would include a focus on Higher Education sector.

    Two of Team GB's boxers came through Further Education and one Higher Education:

    Nicola Adams - Bradford College
    Anthony Ogogo - East Norfolk Sixth Form College
    Natasha Jonas - Edge Hill University.

    The GB Boxing also have access to cutting edge Sports Science through a partnership with Sheffield Hallam University:

    http://www.eis2win.co.uk/pages/news_keepinganeyeonthecompetition.aspx


  • #1200
    Cardinal Richelieu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,407 ✭✭✭Cardinal Richelieu


    Good overview on how South Korean focus on archery as their main medal winning sport and how they achieve that.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/18499167

    Pick one sport that has a range of medals on offer and focus all your resources at it from childhood up. Australia do pretty much the same in swimming.


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  • #1201
    The Buster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭The Buster


    Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »
    Good overview on how South Korean focus on archery as their main medal winning sport and how they achieve that.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/18499167

    Pick one sport that has a range of medals on offer and focus all your resources at it from childhood up. Australia do pretty much the same in swimming.


    Interesting article. This is something I have often thought about. Is it something we should look at in Ireland. It would be a 20 year plan

    I have thought that the track cycling may be our best bet. The uk and Aussies are the leaders at this. We have similar build to them so assume we could be good at it if we invested properly

    Any other thoughts - what "minority" sport could we try


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