You should have told him to F##k off and shoot his own Foxe's only joking I would say that was fun both you standing in the middle of a field and you getting the hand slapped ah well at least you can still keep shooting and you both did not fall out

steyrman2 wrote: »

Had the same sort of words with a farmer a few years ago . He gave me the free run of the farm to shoot. I shot over 20 foxes in 2 months then crops were sowing i shot pigeons and rabbits all going well. Till the pheasant season came around i arrived in at 11 am got the labs out and headed into a beet field i shot 2 cocks in a short space of time when i heard shouting from the lane went back and well to put it mildly he lost the run of him self. He ask wtf i was doing shooting birds i said you gave me the run of the farm to shoot what i liked with that he said the pheasants were for a few of his friends from dublin and to leave them alone and he did not want me on his land till lambing season for foxes . I bit my lower jaw and replyed when your friends come to shoot the birds get them to shoot your foxes and rabbits and pigeons all hours of the night he stopped give out and cooled down i then told him i enjoyed doing my bit on the vermin but i do like shooting pheasants . We came up with a plan i could shoot during the week for birds and leave the weekends for his buddys it still works there has to be give and take on both sides . I still shoot his vermin and hunt pheasants on his land so it can work out

was in a feild shooting pigeons when an italian lad came down and ran us with FFF's say that he had give tihe farmer 500 euro to shoot pigeons .
my friend went to the farmer and was told not to be shooting them that he had made a deal with this guy .

my friend who has shot this land for 8 years reply calmly that grand but i hope he shoots it next year and the year after cause i wont b . farmer wasnt long pulling in the horns , landed with a case of elay pigeon's a week later.

it the only way to sort them .they think there doing you a favour shooting pigeons , rabbits, deers etc

E. Fudd wrote: »

So you're saying that theyre not doing us a favour by giving us permission to shoot pigeons, rabbit, deer etc??? Tune in lad in all fairness now.

I'm with E.Fudd on this one. Farmer's own the land so they are the boss.

Shoot2kill wrote: »

So I said I'd give a shout over to meet him, he took me off in his jeep and showed me around the place. We went to an outside farm of his which had some very nice pieces of cover, ideal for a fox. I mentioned this to him and he went mick, said to leave the foxes alone because he's involved in the local hunt. So I just said to him "well if thats the case go away and get someone else to shoot your rabbits, you can't have it every way lad".. Haven't been back there since! I still get on great with the tillage man.. no hard feelings like!

You left just over a fox :rolleyes: He needs something to chase in his chosen sport too. Plus the hunt prob only passes through his land one day a year, so their chances of getting the fox would be slim so he leaves the fox there to control the rabbits too. Not much to ask from him, no need to shoot yourself in the foot and loose a permission.

Good few tillage farmers I shoot for have tillage and strictly no fox shooting as the foxes control rabbit population. Thats common sense

graham h wrote: »

at the end of the day its the famers land and they have the right 2 say what gos

at the end of the day that land will be there long after the farmer is dead and gone. having said that there are genuine reasons a farmer might not like certain people on his land. but where everything is above board and your not going to take the p*ss no farmer should have the right to refuse

irish setter wrote: »

at the end of the day that land will be there long after the farmer is dead and gone. having said that there are genuine reasons a farmer might not like certain people on his land. but where everything is above board and your not going to take the p*ss no farmer should have the right to refuse

You need to grow up lad. The farmer should have no right to refuse who shoots the land he has bought or worked in the family name for years and gives you free shooting rights on??? Yes you are doing him a favour, but he's doing you a bloody big one too:mad: it's your ball and you're going home!

This is like a chapter from Ripleys believe it or not!

After reading declan1980's post I just remembered a neighbour of mine gave me permission to do game shooting on his land last year. Went up there a few days rough shooting, then come spring went up there to shoot magpies and grey crowd- then he says "ah lads don't be at the magpies or grey crows I don't mind them"
I stated that magpies and crows could possibly attack your calfs and there are a number of other farmers that want them controlled in the area.
He still said he likes them. So we honoured his wishes even if it's a weird situation. Still go onto his land rough shooting though.

I'm reading this thread with some incredulity on both sides.
:DFrom somone suggesting that a farmer shouldnt be able to refuse shooters on his private property.To farmers wanting to keep vermin alive on their lands.
Lads it's simple....ASK when you get the permission what you can and cant shoot!Dont assume that a vauge "shure work away.." is good enough.A simple "is there anythig you dont want shot?" could save you a load of bother down the line.

Shooting and farming is one hand washing the other.We cant hunt without the landowners/farmers permission,and in return they dont get their pests controlled [cheaply for them] if we dont shoot them.

We are still proably unique in Europe that we still can get shooting grounds for free and on an oral contract,a handshake and possibly a box of sweets at Xmas for the farmers family.Lets not fK that up for want of asking a extra question and ruining it for ourselves and everyone else.After all we are supposedly ambassadors for our sport every time we go afield.;)

@ shoot2kill as Grizzly said above farming and hunting go hand in hand and we're lucky to have free shooting still. At the end of the day a beggar cant be a chooser.

If your a carpenter doing jobs in a house you don't leave the job because the owner said you can't smoke indoors. There property their rules as simple as.

Veni Vidi Vici wrote: »

I got permission from my dad's friend to shoot on his land a week ago, and all he asked was not to shoot a hare that he'd seen running around on it. I said no bother at all! What's that ya mentioned about the folklore? I can't find anything on it!

In Irish folklore, the hare is often associated with Sidh (Fairy) or other pagan elements. In these stories characters who harm hares often suffer dreadful consequences.

People like seen hare about very few people shoot them. A lot of people think they are protected with no season which is untrue. I'd probably lose my permissions too if i shot a hare.

ok i'll try to be a little clearer on my previous point. farmers make a living on the land and they have a right to make a living off their land and a right to protect that living and their livestock. i come from a farming background and i understand that. i also know there are a few lads hunting that don't give a s**t about farmers or their livestock so the farmer has to have a right to be selective about who he gives permission to. i also know and always do respect the fact that farmers can ban everyone who they like from their land. my problem lies where a farmer bans everyone all year round even though it would have no effect on his living, but just because he don't want anyone on his land. you might say well how does he know the gobs***es from the genuine lads who will respect the land. a few recommendations and phone calls would sort that out. but as in all walks of life you will meet thick people who won't budge and you have to just respect that.

irish setter wrote: »

my problem lies where a farmer bans everyone all year round even though it would have no effect on his living, but just because he don't want anyone on his land. you might say well how does he know the gobs***es from the genuine lads who will respect the land..

Its his land and he's entitled to let who he wants on it or not and its just tough sh*t for those who aren't.
He might like deer and other game and find they are not damaging his land. Farmers like this can get on great with gun-clubs because they can use the land as a sanctuary for birds.

He also might be concerned about people falling and getting injured on the land and doesn't want that even if they are insured themselves.

Or he might want to shoot the land himself, cos after all he knows much better than you what damage is happening and if something needs to be done about it.

garv123 wrote: »

People like seen hare about very few people shoot them. A lot of people think they are protected with no season which is untrue. I'd probably lose my permissions too if i shot a hare.

Same as. Just about none of the farmers around me allow Hares to be shot. Which suits me fine.

I like this concept of farmers not having the right to refuse though :pac:

I think shooters out shooting need to be very level headed and remain cool, calm & collected when approached by any landowner, whether it's a polite or aggressive encounter. As Grizzly said we are ambassadors for our sport out there each day.

If the landowner becomes aggressive I'd advise anybody to politely walk away. This may not feel manly or macho, or what ever you want to call it, and it can be annoying to take abuse from somebody and feel you're being wronged ......but always remember you are standing there with a gun in your hand/ under your arm (loaded or unloaded).

If the argument becomes heated and voices are raised then you cannot win......firstly it's the landowners land and he decides what's to be shot / at what time / and what species. He can withdraw that permission without a moment's notice.

......secondly, right or wrong....if a complaint is made against you by the landowner to the Gardaí you may have diffilculty renewing the licence.....no F.O. is going to give a licence for a firearm to somebody who loses their temper easily, gets aggressive and is easily riled and gets involved in a shouting match with a gun in their possession.

It can be annoying and degrading if a landowner shouts abuse at you while on his land shooting but two wrongs don't make a right.....if this were to happen to me I'd politely walk off and if I felt really wronged or hard-done-by I ring the landowner from home and explain that I was annoyed by the confrontation and i like to talk to him to clear up the matter.

I'd explain that I'd gone home to drop off the shooting gear & ask if there any problem returning for a calm chat as i'm confused about what annoyed him. He has had time to cool down and think about the outburst and you'll get a chance to talk to him with no firearm there.

I would always be conscious that it could also be very intimidating for the landowner talking to a few lads with guns and dogs when you're on your own....especially on your own land when you're annoyed about something they did (or think they did)

To be honest I've found the majority of landowners to be reasonable and approachable.

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We were out pigeon shooting on gun club land one day last year when the tillage farmer, who had leased the land, met us. He was delighted with the number of pigeons shot and asked if we shoot rabbits as well. We told him we did. He said he had a huge rabbit problem on land he had about twenty miles away & would we travel that far. We told him we would and arranged to meet him in the local village near the land the next morning.

We followed him from the village to the land damaged by rabbits. It was grass for silage and was destroyed....rabbits everywhere. We were delighted. We parked and unloaded gear as he drove off.

We were in the field about half an hour with some rabbits shot when a man came in the field gate and never stopped roaring and shouting until he got to us at the other end of the field.

He was shouting' how dare ye....who do ye think ye are.....I'm ringing the guards...ye are in big trouble etc.......... We unloaded the rifles, put them in gunslips, lay them on the grass and went over talking to him.

We politely told him that there seems to be some mix up or confusion here and we didn't know who he was. Speaking calmly to him in a non - aggressive tone worked wonders and he calmed down quickly.

He explained that he was the landowner and wanted to know why we were in his land without permission. We told him the name that had given us permission. He then explained that the individual named had leased the land to cut silage.

This landowner was anti-shooting and didn't want anything shot. He apologised for the initial outburst when he realised that we thought we had permission. The shooting was over...we packed up and left.....but everything was calm and gentlemanly. We respected his wishes....he owned the land...he calls the shots...end of story.