Cork City Marathon, June 4th 2012.

sideswipe · 23-05-2012 1:19pm

PaulieYifter wrote: »

Got the 3 x 1600m P&D Interval session out of the way so the taper can start in earnest now. That session always feels like Russian Roulette.

All going well I'm jumping on the TFB-LeCheile 3:15 bus and hopefully will stay on it until the finish.

Agreed on the 3x1600's- I don't think the taper actually starts till that session is done. Did the Docklands 5k last night instead of that session and bagged a confidence boosting 19:27 pb, breaking the 20 min mark for the first time. Tempted to go for 3:15 myself but training has been geared towards 3:25 so will stick to that I think.

Water stations confirmed, thankfully in bottles, hopefully the weather won't be too hot so we don't need those sponges!-

Blackpool, just before O’Connell Street (c. 2.5 miles) BOTTLES
Horgan’s Quay (c. 4 miles)
Lower Glanmire Road (Tivoli) (c. 6 miles) BOTTLES
South Ring Road (c. 9 miles) BOTTLES
Half Marathon Start Line
Blackrock Castle Carpark (c. 11.5 miles) BOTTLES & Lucozade Sports
Railway Line at junction with Skehard Road (c. 14 miles) BOTTLES
Marina, Lee Rowing Club (c. 15.5 miles) & SPONGES
Curragh Road (c. 18 miles) & Lucozade Sports
The Lough (c. 19.5 miles) & SPONGES
Model Farm Road (c. 21 miles) BOTTLES
Inchigaggin Lane (c. 23 miles) BOTTLES & Lucozade Sports
Carrigrohane Road (c. 24 miles)
Mardyke, at Mardyke Bridge (c. 25 miles) BOTTLES
Finish Line: water BOTTLES & mains

PaulieYifter · 23-05-2012 1:30pm

sideswipe wrote: »

Agreed on the 3x1600's- I don't think the taper actually starts till that session is done. Did the Docklands 5k last night instead of that session and bagged a confidence boosting 19:27 pb, breaking the 20 min mark for the first time. Tempted to go for 3:15 myself but training has been geared towards 3:25 so will stick to that I think.

Nice time - well done!

Considered the 5k myself but chickened out of it as I had visions of myself limping over the line with a hamstring pull or something

mr.wiggle · 23-05-2012 6:25pm

3.15 or 3.20 to 3.25 ?
I'm in the same quandry myself sideswipe....
Really tempted to go with TFB and the gang, or just pace myself to a 3.20 finish. Its my first attempt at the marathon distance after a few halfs.
Training has gone good, and now the nerves are setting in !!
Would love to have some company along the way to keep me going at a steady pace..
I'm getting sick at looking at different time pace bands, trying to make my mind up !!!

alitoast · 23-05-2012 7:55pm

PaulieYifter wrote: »

Got the 3 x 1600m P&D Interval session out of the way so the taper can start in earnest now. That session always feels like Russian Roulette.

All going well I'm jumping on the TFB-LeCheile 3:15 bus and hopefully will stay on it until the finish.

OK, whats the 3 x 1600m P&D and is it too late to do it?

Mr Slow · 23-05-2012 7:58pm

mr.wiggle wrote: »

3.15 or 3.20 to 3.25 ?
I'm in the same quandry myself sideswipe....
Really tempted to go with TFB and the gang, or just pace myself to a 3.20 finish. Its my first attempt at the marathon distance after a few halfs.
Training has gone good, and now the nerves are setting in !!
Would love to have some company along the way to keep me going at a steady pace..
I'm getting sick at looking at different time pace bands, trying to make my mind up !!!

Taper Madness:)

alitoast wrote: »

OK, whats the 3 x 1600m P&D and is it too late to do it?

If you haven't followed the P&D training program then you don't need to worry about it.

sideswipe · 23-05-2012 8:17pm

mr.wiggle wrote: »

3.15 or 3.20 to 3.25 ?
I'm in the same quandry myself sideswipe....
Really tempted to go with TFB and the gang, or just pace myself to a 3.20 finish. Its my first attempt at the marathon distance after a few halfs.
Training has gone good, and now the nerves are setting in !!
Would love to have some company along the way to keep me going at a steady pace..
I'm getting sick at looking at different time pace bands, trying to make my mind up !!!

TBH if it's you first I wouldn't stress about the time too much- it's been said on this forum many times- Enjoyment is paramount for your first, there'll be plenty of other marathons to chase numbers. Why not go out at the pace you trained for and if you feel strong over the last 6 miles or so let rip?

When I said I was tempted it was my heart talking.....it's my head that has told me to stick to the plan:)

PaulieYifter · 23-05-2012 9:36pm

alitoast wrote: »

OK, whats the 3 x 1600m P&D and is it too late to do it?

Yeah - don't worry about it - it's for those of us that consider the P&D book as our Marathon Bible.

mr.wiggle wrote: »

3.15 or 3.20 to 3.25 ?
I'm in the same quandry myself sideswipe....
Really tempted to go with TFB and the gang, or just pace myself to a 3.20 finish. Its my first attempt at the marathon distance after a few halfs.
Training has gone good, and now the nerves are setting in !!
Would love to have some company along the way to keep me going at a steady pace..
I'm getting sick at looking at different time pace bands, trying to make my mind up !!!

I don't normally advise people on their goals but as sideswipe has suggested in your 1st marathon you should definitely err on the conservative side of expectations - not that I heeded the same advice for my 1st marathon

The last 4 miles in Cork are downhill or flat so try to keep some in the tank to make the most of it (and probably pass me out while you're at it)!

TFBubendorfer · 24-05-2012 9:06am

mr.wiggle wrote: »

3.15 or 3.20 to 3.25 ?
I'm in the same quandry myself sideswipe....
Really tempted to go with TFB and the gang, or just pace myself to a 3.20 finish. Its my first attempt at the marathon distance after a few halfs.

What time did you do for those halfs?

erasure · 24-05-2012 12:14pm

Hey,

Do most of the water stations have bottles for everyone? My fear is by the time i reach them there'll be just cups left! would i be better taking a hydration pack???

ultraman1 · 24-05-2012 1:13pm

i was a 5hr pacer last year and dont recall any issues with drinks....

corkrunner71 · 24-05-2012 2:07pm

erasure wrote: »

Hey,

Do most of the water stations have bottles for everyone? My fear is by the time i reach them there'll be just cups left! would i be better taking a hydration pack???

You may find that 1 or 2 will run short of bottles but with 13 stops (excluding the half marathon start and the finish line), You'll not be left short. If you are worried about them, carry the bottle with you and refill it at the stop with only cups. I assume you want to carry it anyway or the cups should be fine when you reach each station. Best of luck and enjoy it.

erasure · 24-05-2012 2:37pm

Hey thx for the reply. I'd have no problem with the bottles but have tried drinking from cups on the run before and it's just a skill that eludes me!!!
Have been training with the hydration pack but being my first marathon am just concerned with carrying extra weight for no reason!!

RayCun · 24-05-2012 2:47pm

erasure wrote: »

Hey thx for the reply. I'd have no problem with the bottles but have tried drinking from cups on the run before and it's just a skill that eludes me!!!

Stop running, drink the water, run on. Only takes a couple of seconds and you get to drink all the water instead of spilling half the cup or choking on it.

Oh, but don't stop dead in the middle of the road! Stand at the side of the water table or something

Mr Slow · 24-05-2012 4:13pm

RayCun wrote: »

Stop running, drink the water, run on. Only takes a couple of seconds and you get to drink all the water instead of spilling half the cup or choking on it.

Oh, but don't stop dead in the middle of the road! Stand at the side of the water table or something

Or bring a straw with you, sounds like a joke but think about it!;)

25-05-2012 8:33pm

PaulieYifter wrote: »

The last 4 miles in Cork are downhill or flat so try to keep some in the tank to make the most of it (and probably pass me out while you're at it)!

Didn't realise that. Good.

Will aim to break 3.40, plan is to head off with 3.30 and try to hang on to them for as long as possible. Did a 1.36.34 half a couple of weeks back which kinda surprised myself, have been coasting a bit since. Did a couple of 8 milers this week, gonna maybe try one more and a few 3 or 4 milers.

And curious as to what a 3x1600m P & D is too!

menoscemo · 25-05-2012 8:37pm

Deleted User wrote: »

And curious as to what a 3x1600m P & D is too!

It's simply a workout on the P&D plan about 2 weeks before your marathon. You run a mile at 5k pace and repeat 3 times (with 3-4 minutes jogging betweek reps). Some people prefer just to do a 5k race instead....

EauRouge79 · 26-05-2012 1:55pm

Time to start the guesswork with the raceday weather.
Temps will back off for next week. Early indications for Monday 4th -suggest:
12/13c
sunny spells
very little breeze. Ill take that!

Just be glad your not running today.

EauRouge79 · 26-05-2012 2:02pm

Evening temps could reach 18/19c for anyone planning a post race BBQ

markyboy · 27-05-2012 10:55am

Used this site last year

17°C Fair

Ravomix · 27-05-2012 12:54pm

We all have different goals and mine is to finish in under 3 hours.My pb is 3hrs 7 minutes so i have a jump to make.My training has gone well though,did the same amount as last year but with a higher intensity overall this time around.My main concern now is the weather which is same as alot of runners i guess.I have absolutely no bearing of the heat at all.Just hoping the weather will have cooled off by then and we'll have cool cloudy calm conditions.

EauRouge79 · 27-05-2012 11:17pm

markyboy wrote: »

Used this site last year

17°C Fair

Yes, YR.NO is usually a pretty accurate site, It was from this site that I took my details above.
I was taking the reading for the morning temps as opposed to the afternoon.

mr.wiggle · 28-05-2012 9:14am

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

What time did you do for those halfs?

the last half was 1.36, ran the mallow 10m at 71m...

Had a chat with a buddy yesterday and he calmed me down ,and reiterated what has been said on here really, just to go out and njoy it and not kill myself chasing a time....so thats the plan !

TFBubendorfer · 28-05-2012 10:44am

mr.wiggle wrote: »

the last half was 1.36, ran the mallow 10m at 71m...

Had a chat with a buddy yesterday and he calmed me down ,and reiterated what has been said on here really, just to go out and njoy it and not kill myself chasing a time....so thats the plan !

MacMillan gives 3:22 for a 1:36 half and 3:19 for a 71m 10 miler. That should give you an indication, but it's certainly not set in stone. My own marathon times are usually 5 minutes slower than MacMillan suggests, others manage to hit their times much better or even exceed them.

3:15 might be a bit optimistic, but it's up to yourself. Some people do indeed manage to surprise themselves.

Mr Slow · 28-05-2012 10:45am

Some good points made here regarding the merging of racers and congestion points.

belcarra · 28-05-2012 10:51am

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

MacMillan gives 3:22 for a 1:36 half and 3:19 for a 71m 10 miler. That should give you an indication, but it's certainly not set in stone. My own marathon times are usually 5 minutes slower than MacMillan suggests, others manage to hit their times much better or even exceed them.

3:15 might be a bit optimistic, but it's up to yourself. Some people do indeed manage to surprise themselves.

+1 to what Thomas says...I've recently done a 1:35:30 HM but I'll be happy to break the 3:30 in Cork next week. Also, if it's your first one you should leave an extra few mins grace from your absolute target.
I'd suggest go with the 3:30 pacers and if you're feeling really good after 15 miles or so then maybe push on a little and if still good at 20 miles push on even more. This would leave you a time of about 3:20-3:25 depending on how much you push yourself.
If you go out with 3:15 and it's just a little too fast for you by half way you will probably really struggle to get 3:30 by the end.

Mr Slow · 28-05-2012 10:56am

belcarra wrote: »

+1 to what Thomas says...I've recently done a 1:35:30 HM but I'll be happy to break the 3:30 in Cork next week. Also, if it's your first one you should leave an extra few mins grace from your absolute target.
I'd suggest go with the 3:30 pacers and if you're feeling really good after 15 miles or so then maybe push on a little and if still good at 20 miles push on even more. This would leave you a time of about 3:20-3:25 depending on how much you push yourself.
If you go out with 3:15 and it's just a little too fast for you by half way you will probably really struggle to get 3:30 by the end.

Sound advice.

Brianderunner ran 3:26 in DCM a few years back having stayed with the 3:30 pacers til after 20 miles, you can make time up in the end if you're feeling good but if you think banking time in the marathon works, it doesn't. Good Luck.

robinph · 28-05-2012 11:49am

Mr Slow wrote: »

Some good points made here regarding the merging of racers and congestion points.

The Chairmen of the Boards relay team are expected to get through before the Half kicks off I hope.

erasure · 28-05-2012 7:24pm

Does anyone know if shower facilities are available on the day? The website just says there is changing area but nothing bout showers??

Condo131 · 28-05-2012 8:26pm

No showers! Mind you there was a nasty shower in Dublin last year, not long after I finished! :rolleyes:

Condo131 · 28-05-2012 8:47pm

The HM starts at 11:00 this year. This means that the entire HM field should merge with the 8:00 to 10:00 min/mile runners at the Marina (2M/15M). Things may be a little 'tight' for approx. 1/3rd mile, until you move away from the river. After that things should open out, but the third relay changeover point (3.5M/16.5M) may also be tight depending on the crowd (and stewards). After that everywhere is wide enough to cater for everyone.

With the earlier HM start, the walkway after the Mardyke (12M/25M) shouldn't be too big a problem, but the HM leaders will be passing 7:00/8:00 min/mile Marathon people here, but they should be relatively well spread out.

Last I heard, there were approx. 1650 entries in the full, 1850 in the HM and 450 relay teams.

Finally, FFS everyone, Run the SPR line!!! (Shortest Possible Route). Every year I see people 'glued' to the sides of the road.

Addendum: I forgot the start area - The start is appro.x 11.5 miles into the Marathon, so for the first 0.5 miles of the HM you will be running with (hopefully) a relatively small number of 10:00/11:00 min milers. If any of the Marathon people get caught up in the HM after the split at the Castle, please re-direct them back to Marathon route. Guaranteed there will be a few.

opus · 28-05-2012 8:58pm

Just back from a week & a half's holiday in France wrapped around a friend's wedding. Not much (meaning none!) in the way of running but plenty of eating & drinking meaning I've added ~3kg in weight :eek: Still figured I needed a break after the VLM.

Got in a handy half-marathon run distance this evening & will give a BHAA 5k race a go tomorrow & then take it easy 'til next Monday. Current plan is to try and stick with the 3h pacers 'til I either keel over or finish, whichever comes first

Mr Slow · 28-05-2012 9:39pm

Met Eireann forecast up to Thursday has Cork reaching 22c, bring your suncream.

chinguetti · 28-05-2012 10:36pm

Did the marathon in 2009 when it was a heatwave, the relay in 2010 when it was a storm and the half last year when it was drizzley.

So on my layman's weather guide, it could be anything so don't worry about looking at the weather until Friday. You'll only worry yourself. Drink plenty water and keep it easy.

And yes, its easy for me to say that when i'm not running it.

foxyboxer · 29-05-2012 8:59am

Condo131 wrote: »

No showers! Mind you there was a nasty shower in Dublin last year, not long after I finished! :rolleyes:

You were lucky. I had one mile to go, was enjoying the support on the way in and it was like someone turned a tap on

RICHIE-RICH · 29-05-2012 9:33am

Mr Slow wrote: »

Met Eireann forecast up to Thursday has Cork reaching 22c, bring your suncream.

YR.NO (usually very accurate) has Monday at 11 degrees, rain, and Light breeze, 2 m/s from south-southeast

As mentioned earlier, best not to concern yourself too much with the weather forecast until Friday or Sat.

Mr Slow · 29-05-2012 9:39am

RICHIE-RICH wrote: »

As mentioned earlier, best not to concern yourself too much with the weather forecast until Friday or Sat.

I'm jogging around for the craic, not concerned at all

jcsmum · 29-05-2012 9:58am

Mr Slow wrote: »

I'm not concerned at all

I saw that!

Mr Slow · 29-05-2012 10:02am

jcsmum wrote: »

I saw that!

Jogathon · 29-05-2012 10:21am

Lads, I've woken up this morning with a kidney infection. I'm just struggling through here in work - on ibuprofen and the pain is easing. Should I go to the doctor? I don't want to take an antibiotic - cos it'll affect me on Monday. I have Thurs and Fri off and can relax tonight. I'm completely allerg cos up until now I've flown through my training with no problems and am just stressing about it now. How long does it take to get better from one of these? I'm generally very quick to heal - and very rarely get sick.

Condo131 · 29-05-2012 10:36am

Jogathon wrote: »

Lads, I've woken up this morning with a kidney infection. I'm just struggling through here in work - on ibuprofen and the pain is easing. Should I go to the doctor? I don't want to take an antibiotic - cos it'll affect me on Monday. I have Thurs and Fri off and can relax tonight. I'm completely allerg cos up until now I've flown through my training with no problems and am just stressing about it now. How long does it take to get better from one of these? I'm generally very quick to heal - and very rarely get sick.

FFS, Go to the doctor!!

If you do have a kidney infection, then you could get very, very sick, without even running a Marathon. If you run a marathon with a kidney infection, there is a VERY, VERY high probability that you will NOT finish AND that you will be hospitalised!

The weather is picking up and Monday may be pretty warm. Your kidneys will be subject to an extra load, before even talking about your infection.

With a kidney infection, you may do *SERIOUS* - and permanent - damage to your health. You can't turn the clock back on serious health issues. There's more to life than running a Marathon. Look after your health first! Disappointing as it may be to miss it, you can always do another Marathon.

...and tell the doc that you're running a Marathon - don't hide it - you'd only be fooling yourself!

Mr Slow · 29-05-2012 10:56am

Condo131 wrote: »

With a kidney infection, you may do *SERIOUS* - and permanent - damage to your health. You can't turn the clock back on serious health issues. There's more to life than running a Marathon. Look after your health first! Disappointing as it may be to miss it, you can always do another Marathon.

^This, cop on to yourself and go to the Doctor.

belcarra · 29-05-2012 11:20am

So, are there many people waiting around on the Monday evening for drinks??
Debating here whether to stay around myself and bask in the after-glo or hit the road back to Dublin instead...

robinph · 29-05-2012 11:22am

belcarra wrote: »

So, are there many people waiting around on the Monday evening for drinks??
Debating here whether to stay around myself and bask in the after-glo or hit the road back to Dublin instead...

New we hadn't sorted out the pub for the after yet...

Is there a local Corkonian about to suggest somewhere?

Mr Slow · 29-05-2012 11:22am

belcarra wrote: »

So, are there many people waiting around on the Monday evening for drinks??
Debating here whether to stay around myself and bask in the after-glo or hit the road back to Dublin instead...

Yes, lots of us!!!:)

Jogathon · 29-05-2012 11:25am

Condo131 wrote: »

FFS, Go to the doctor!!

If you do have a kidney infection, then you could get very, very sick, without even running a Marathon. If you run a marathon with a kidney infection, there is a VERY, VERY high probability that you will NOT finish AND that you will be hospitalised!

The weather is picking up and Monday may be pretty warm. Your kidneys will be subject to an extra load, before even talking about your infection.

With a kidney infection, you may do *SERIOUS* - and permanent - damage to your health. You can't turn the clock back on serious health issues. There's more to life than running a Marathon. Look after your health first! Disappointing as it may be to miss it, you can always do another Marathon.

...and tell the doc that you're running a Marathon - don't hide it - you'd only be fooling yourself!

Okay - fair enough. Have booked appointment with the doctor. He's a serious runner himself so will understand.

belcarra · 29-05-2012 11:39am

robinph wrote: »

New we hadn't sorted out the pub for the after yet...

Is there a local Corkonian about to suggest somewhere?

Fcek it, I've booked the Tuesday off work now so i'll hang around.
I know the official after race party is in the Bodega but I'm sure there'll be a visit to one or two other pubs before that...!
Larry Tompkins bar is on the quay just beside where you turn the corner for the finishing 200m. No outside drinking area as such but there is a laneway beside it so I'm sure if its a nice day we could heckle/support people about to finish...?

Mr Slow · 29-05-2012 11:47am

belcarra wrote: »

Fcek it, I've booked the Tuesday off work now so i'll hang around.
I know the official after race party is in the Bodega but I'm sure there'll be a visit to one or two other pubs before that...!
Larry Tompkins bar is on the quay just beside where you turn the corner for the finishing 200m. No outside drinking area as such but there is a laneway beside it so I'm sure if its a nice day we could heckle/support people about to finish...?

The Bodega was jammed to the doors last year, we didn't even try to enter. Seating would be a priority for me

rom · 29-05-2012 12:28pm

First time I was in there but The Vicarstown Bar has a great outside area and is very near the bodega for a backup place to go.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5485250 (should have used maymyrun/walk

)

Looks like an old man sh*thole from the outside but relay nice inside with lots of seating and big beer garden in the back.

Personally it wouldn't be a place I would go to but with a group it would be grand but the bodega is kindof like that too.

Condo131 · 29-05-2012 1:15pm

Jogathon wrote: »

Okay - fair enough. Have booked appointment with the doctor. He's a serious runner himself so will understand.

Good man! You're doing the wise thing. There are plenty of other Marathons, so, if you are advised not to run, it may not be as "gutting" to miss this one. It's a bitch, having put so much training into a Marathon, to miss out. If you do miss out, you could try for another in 4 to 6 weeks, either in Ireland or abroad - you should be well over your infection and any antibiotics by then.

Cranberry juice is often recommended for UTIs and also boosting the immune system.

robinph · 29-05-2012 1:19pm

Condo131 wrote: »

Good man! You're doing the wise thing. There are plenty of other Marathons, so, if you are advised not to run, it may not be as "gutting" to miss this one. It's a bitch, having put so much training into a Marathon, to miss out. If you do miss out, you could try for another in 4 to 6 weeks, either in Ireland or abroad - you should be well over your infection and any antibiotics by then.

Cranberry juice is often recommended for UTIs and also boosting the immune system.

Exactly what this guy said.

Had to pull out of Amsterdam last year at the last minute due to severe <something_the_docs_never_identified> occurring a few days before. Back back up and running again soon enough and did another marathon a few weeks later.

Cork City Marathon, June 4th 2012.

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