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  • Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭NFD100


    This has gone very quiet. Was suppossed to launch in November. It has either been dropped or delayed further.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    There is a White caddy van with a big silver camera though on it parked on the Charlestown bypass most days
    It's not new and is hard to spot

    Of course the old road which is an eighty has nothing even tho people blast down it and present far more of an issue

    But it will alll be about the money wait and see


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭✭Johnny Utah


    I take it all these private speed camera vans will be parked legally?

    It would be terrible if someone parked right behind the camera van, thereby blocking any view out the rear window! :D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭Flyer1


    2 white transits on the cork road all day yesterday. :rolleyes:

    Road was very quiet when I passed so i crawled by for a good look, 2 men inside each van at the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭JimmyCrackCorn


    Garda speed camera van was in Cherrywood a few weeks ago other than that iv seen nothing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    Hopefully it will be put on the very long finger.....

    I see they're getting rid of them in the UK, will be interesting to see what impact that will have on road deaths.

    So far, I haven't heard anything to suggest that road fatalities are increasing, although I have heard a few complaints that people are driving faster, not surprisingly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭Jomcc


    Saw this one outside Portlaoise this morning on Abbeyleix Road. Presume it's private, because it's a 10 KK reg.

    gatso1.jpg

    gatso2.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭chrisp2281




  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,585 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    I take it all these private speed camera vans will be parked legally?

    If they are parked illegally, and are private, doesn't this mean that evidence used against you, if it went to court, is inadmissible, as evidence gathered against you was done so in an illegal manner?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    Ahem, might as get this line out of the way now as it never ceases the amount of Mother Teresa's on this thread who love to post "if you don't speed you won't have to worry about it" :rolleyes:

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/signs-to-warn-motorists-of-new-mobile-speed-cameras-2388839.html?from=dailynews
    wrote:
    LOCAL councils are to put up hundreds of signs across the country to alert drivers where the new network of mobile speed cameras will be located.

    But the camera vans will move from location to location every couple of hours, so speeding drivers won't know the exact spot where they are likely to be caught breaking the law.

    Thousands of speeding motorists face the prospect of being caught on camera from next month when the new system goes live.

    Assistant Garda Commissioner John Twomey said yesterday that up to 1,500 roads across the country were being designated as speed enforcement zones as part of the roll-out of the mobile speed camera network.

    Private company the GoSafe consortium will provide 6,000 hours of filming by the cameras every month, and the system will go live in November. But each zone will have a sign erected to warn motorists they face the prospect of being caught.

    Hundreds of roads will be clearly identified as a location where the cameras may be located, and the list will also be available on the garda website.

    "An analysis of data over five years shows the locations where speeding is a problem," Assistant Commissioner Twomey said.

    "The cameras will be there at times and days when the accidents are happening. The sole reason for this is to keep people alive, and the best way to do that is to slow people down.

    "They'll be rolled out in the third or fourth week of November. It's important the message goes out that this is in addition to the existing cameras we have. These will be visible. There will be no shock or surprise. You won't just see a flash, they will be clearly marked.

    "Road signs will be erected at roadsides to inform drivers they are entering a speed enforcement zone.

    Zones

    "There's no excuse, you're being told to slow down. We'll tell you the location, but not the time or date (when the cameras will be there)."

    GoSafe will be given a list every month of the locations where gardai want the units deployed. They will also be obliged to carry out surveys to find stretches of road where 85pc of vehicles drive above the speed limit. These areas will be added to the list of speed enforcement zones.

    The cameras are operational 365 days of the year, and there will be a special focus at night-time and over the weekends when the most fatal and serious incidents occur.

    Countries where mobile cameras have been deployed have seen a 50pc increase in compliance rates.

    The commissioner insisted that the cameras were not a revenue-raising exercise, and that the GoSafe consortium was being paid by the hour.

    "We're talking about saving lives. It's not a revenue gathering exercise. We want people to look at the website. We want to change behaviour and for people to stay alive."

    The new cameras will be augmented by more than 100 garda vehicles which are already in place and the new traffic corps vehicles which were put into operation last year.

    The sad thing here is its quiet obvious that within a week of 'go live' we know there will be examples of these vans in situ in blatant revenue generating areas, road safety will not be primary. Of course I stand to be corrected but this is Ireland.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,997 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Countries where mobile cameras have been deployed have seen a 50pc increase in compliance rates.

    Interesting that this is the only statistic they can come up with. Where are the decreased accident and death rates on areas in which the only change was the mobile speed camera? Things must be pretty bad when the only excuse you can come up with outside of "revenue generation" is "minor speed decrease".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    I think the real problem here is not the cameras but the sometimes inappropriate limits. Rather than giving out about enforcement, wouldn't it make more sense to focus on getting limits adjusted where a good argument can be made for it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,375 ✭✭✭Tefral


    I also note they will be a study conducted to detect areas where 85% of users travel over the speed limit..

    If you take this litterally, expect speed cameras to be all over the motorways as nearly everyone travels around 120-140km/hr on these routes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭BeardyGit


    What never ceases to amaze me is the sheer number of people who are STUPID enough to keep giving their money in speeding fines. I drive 30k miles per annum. I used to do a lot more as a field service engineer.

    10 or more years back you'd drive like a bat out of hell to try making up time you'd spent on crap roads and stuck in traffic in every crappy little bottleneck on the way. That's all gone now. Taking it handy enough will still have you there in less time that it used to take going like the clappers. Ask anyone driving distances for a living.

    So why bother? I'm not on a high horse here. I just don't see why people are stupid enough to keep paying it when the chances of getting caught speeding now are 150 times greater than they were 10 years back. Leaving aside private contractors, GTC will get you even if they won't.

    Just don't see the point to be honest. Bitch all you want about the limits and all that, but getting done for speeding is just plain stupid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    The thing is most of the people done by these cameras wont actually be speeding, they'll simply be going faster than some stupid limit but usually travelling in a safe manner for the road.

    The rigid setup of a set speed limit for M/N/R roads simply doesn't work and leads to astonishingly stupid limits everywhere both in terms of being too high and too low.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 spud_67


    I agree with everything being said here and like RoverCraft said
    '10 or more years back you'd drive like a bat out of hell to try making up time you'd spent on crap roads and stuck in traffic in every crappy little bottleneck on the way. That's all gone now' but the main issue I can see and have seen this week is the new gatso van's being placed just inside a reduced speed limit zone.

    Yesterday I seen one of the new gatso's in the drogheda /duleek area and the camera was positioned 60 yards just beyond the 60Km/H catching everyone just slowing down. This surely is an easy target and I wouldn't have labelled this straight section of the road as an 'accident blackspot' at 5 in the evening!

    I know that being seen is an effective way of policing and making people recognise their surroundings more but is GoSafe just going to take the easy target every time!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭bazzachazza


    Best place to whine about "stupid" speed limits is on an anonymous internet forum. If people put the same effort into writing to their local councilor about out of date stupid limit's that they put in on MOTORS, then they might actually do something about them like review them.

    I imagine when we changed from mph to km/h the Councils only went out to count the exact number of each sign they needed not whether the limit was ACTUALLY appropriate for the road.

    By international standards our motorway limit is up there with the rest. In fact by this website http://www.europe.org/speedlimits.html we do quiet well being smack bang in the middle. I personally think the limit should be 130 km/h. But even at that others on here would prefer the German non-limit.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    1500 new locations and/or cameras, according to the Times. And there was me thinking there was a recession on.

    Speed doesn't kill, bad driving kills. There's a difference. Try a little driver training, and stop giving licences to morons.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭KamiKazi


    Hope they all get burnt out just like the one in Cork a while back.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    Ooooh, do tell! At least we're good for something.

    I've often felt like taking an angle grinder to the useless CCTV cameras myself.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,257 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    spud_67 wrote:
    Yesterday I seen one of the new gatso's in the drogheda /duleek area and the camera was positioned 60 yards just beyond the 60Km/H catching everyone just slowing down. This surely is an easy target and I wouldn't have labelled this straight section of the road as an 'accident blackspot' at 5 in the evening!

    This is a good example. Even if certain speed limits are increased, I can't imagine that this will stop the cynical use of speed cameras. The 120km/h speed limit on the motorways is fine with me, but that doesn't mean that I would agree with speed cameras catching people doing 130 km/h.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Radar detector shoudl sell well so,
    Assuming these van work on Radar?????
    Will they be out at night?
    Will they be clearly visable, not hiding behind bushes?
    Do they take drive pictures to verify who is driving?
    Will they be set with a margin of saftey, ie not zapping people at 61khp in a 60 zone?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭OldmanMondeo


    this part

    Private company the GoSafe consortium will provide 6,000 hours of filming by the cameras every month, and the system will go live in November. But each zone will have a sign erected to warn motorists they face the prospect of being caught

    Does this mean the static camera will be signposted or will the Mobile units also have to be signposted? If the latter, can't see any problems and anyone that does get done for speeding in an area that has a signposted camera deserves it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Any where, Any time.

    That's the advert for the new private speed cameras in Australia.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    Over the past 2-3 weeks, they've been targeting the Drogheda area.
    I've seen a white transit van parked in two separate locations, well hidden when it's dark. No florescent stripe on the rear of the van.

    Does anyone know, do those detection vans only catch speeders coming towards them ? Or do they also catch speeders driving away from them, taking a photo of their rear registration plate ?

    I just started to wonder, whether they can catch traffic on both sides of the road in a simple two way road...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    Best place to whine about "stupid" speed limits is on an anonymous internet forum. If people put the same effort into writing to their local councilor about out of date stupid limit's that they put in on MOTORS, then they might actually do something about them like review them.

    Have you ever tried that?

    A local councilor would never be seen to be in favour of an increase in a speed limit no matter how much sense it made.

    They'd get flak from all the ould biddies in the area, Gay Byrne would have to get his say in by condemning the councilor and the RSA would create a public outcry......the poor councilor that tried to do a sensible thing would be out of a job.

    Just look at Slane as soon as someone mentioned a 30km/h speed limit every politician in the area jumped on the band wagon to get there names mentioned in the papers and it was implemented in record time despite it being one of the most ridiculous speed limits I've ever come across.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    KamiKazi wrote: »
    Hope they all get burnt out just like the one in Cork a while back.
    Read the charter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Read the charter.

    Think that one is a rule in the corkonian charter :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    eoin wrote: »
    This is a good example. Even if certain speed limits are increased, I can't imagine that this will stop the cynical use of speed cameras. The 120km/h speed limit on the motorways is fine with me, but that doesn't mean that I would agree with speed cameras catching people doing 130 km/h.
    I'm confused! You want the 120km/h limit to be retained but not enforced?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Davidth88


    GoSafe will be given a list every month of the locations where gardai want the units deployed. They will also be obliged to carry out surveys to find stretches of road where 85pc of vehicles drive above the speed limit. These areas will be added to the list of speed enforcement zones.


    So hang on .... they check for places where 85% of people speed , then they clamp down in that area

    If 85% of people are speeding , shouldn't the speed limit be reviewed as possibly too low ( assuming there isn't a nasty crash there every week ) . Or shouldn't they be looking at other things like , are the drivers AWARE of the speed limit in that area , or is it right after a change in the speed limit

    Totally mad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,257 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    Anan1 wrote: »
    I'm confused! You want the 120km/h limit to be retained but not enforced?

    I am saying that I would like meaningful enforcement. I agree that setting sensible limits is obviously the best thing to do in the long run, but that does not mean that enforcement has to be done in absurd locations in the meantime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    eoin wrote: »
    I am saying that I would like meaningful enforcement. I agree that setting sensible limits is obviously the best thing to do in the long run, but that does not mean that enforcement has to be done in absurd locations in the meantime.
    That's true, but I don't like the idea of the Gardai choosing which laws to enforce either. The 120km/h limit on good motorway stretches is not fine with me.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,257 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    Anan1 wrote: »
    That's true, but I don't like the idea of the Gardai choosing which laws to enforce either. The 120km/h limit on good motorway stretches is not fine with me.:)

    It's not really which laws though, it's just when & where. There should be an element of common sense in most of their decisions, I would have thought.

    As an extreme example, I think that most people would agree that getting points for doing 121km/h in a 120 stretch would be unreasonable. It is technically breaking the speed limit, but it's not a good application of enforcement. Similarly, you wouldn't want to see a pedestrian being done for crossing an empty street just because they didn't have a green pedestrian light. You wouldn't really question the law, you would question their decision to enforce the law in that scenario.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    eoin wrote: »
    It's not really which laws though, it's just when & where. There should be an element of common sense in most of their decisions, I would have thought.

    As an extreme example, I think that most people would agree that getting points for doing 121km/h in a 120 stretch would be unreasonable. It is technically breaking the speed limit, but it's not a good application of enforcement. Similarly, you wouldn't want to see a pedestrian being done for crossing an empty street just because they didn't have a green pedestrian light. You wouldn't really question the law, you would question their decision to enforce the law in that scenario.
    Ish. In your 121km/h example, the fact that the limit is too low brings the law into disrepute. This is both proven and reinforced by the widespread reluctance of Gardaí to enforce it, the result being that very few of us pay speed limits much heed until we smell a speed trap. If we had sensible limits then the Gardaí could enforce them and people could respect them in the knowledge that they really were for the greater good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,257 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    But I think that the Gardai do enforce the speed limits in inappropriate locations.
    In your 121km/h example, the fact that the limit is too low brings the law into disrepute

    I just meant that being done for being 1 km/h over the limit would be a silly application of the law - whether it was 121, 131 or 141 etc.


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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Has there been any indication of leeway? I'm thinking of something like 5 percent +3 km/h or similar before you're hit would be prudent. That would allow 34..35 km/h at 30 zone and 129 at motorway before you're nabbed.

    In reality it will probably be 1 km/h over and we are doomed, but haven't seen it stated anywhere...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    It can't be 1km over technically, because the indicated speed on speedometers is rarely - if ever - accurate. (Usually the other way as it happens, but that't neither here nor there.) There is an innaccuracy factor, but no-one will tell you what it is and you're wasting your time asking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    old_aussie wrote: »
    Any where, Any time.

    That's the advert for the new private speed cameras in Australia.

    well over here it will be

    Any Where that is a straight road with clear visibility that has a low accident rate , Any time. that the road is empty and thus very safe to speed but well take your money anyway

    I will bet that the first sightings of these cameras will be on the m50, n4, n7, m1, m3 and m8


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    on the n4 between longford and westport there is only one decent strech from charlestown to swinford
    the rest of the n4 is lethal but this bit is wide and safe

    the camera has been under the charlestown n17 n4 flyover for the last month
    if its set at less than +7kmph
    i woulkd reckon its catching 30 % of people passing and most are on their commute
    are they gonna loose their lisences?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    So then, who sends me the fine? The guards or some crappy company?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 707 ✭✭✭ulinbac


    Only think they should increase the limits on the motorway if we train a better quality if driver. There are around 250k learners on the road and loads are using the motorway (which they shouldn't). So more cameras are needed on the roads.


    I would like to see a limit of 130/40km with a min limit of 90km on the motorway but its not safe in general and maybe extra cameras will get these drivers off the motorways and learn to respect the roads more as they are not qualified to drive on these roads.

    I would prefer not to have these cameras on the motorway (a lot more cameras on the back roads) but it makes sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,595 ✭✭✭Damien360


    A question for the gardai next.

    Will the company be using the publicly available garda data on accident blackspots which seems outdated or picking their own locations. As the gardai will be using there own vans and data will this not double the cameras at the same locations.

    A prime example: In the forensics lab, which I visit as part of my job, is a map of Ireland (very old map in tachometer room) with stickers showing accident blackspots around the country. It shows the N7 (where old lights were approaching Naas and around Kill) were as an accident blackspot (rightly so for the time), but this data appears to be in the current available info. The garda vans therefore target the N7 but there has not been a serious accident for a long time on that stretch.

    There are other areas where the road has been fixed to reduce accidents after many deaths but the data is still preserved as having a dangerous location. This leads to people pointing those locations out as money generating schemes, which leads me back to the question....how will the location of the new camera vans be decided, garda intervention or company pin on a map ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭Abraham


    Speedsters are in for some shock shortly when it comes to the 'switch-on' of these speed cameras. Initially, that is and then we will learn to live with it.
    But what I'm wondering is will or could the same photo, if it showed the use of a Mobile Phone at the same time as the speeding be used to apply another fine and give additional penalty points for that offence ? I mean if there's a hand held up to the ear that's more than likely because there's a phone in the hand ? So more harassment there ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,561 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    I'll never understand this country.

    50% of the country might end up getting penalty points under this. Most of them would be jamming RTE phone lines trying to ring up Joe Duffy.

    Yet none of them will ask their local politician to get rid of these money making devices.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭ART6


    There is a dilemma for our government (???) in all of this. It is:

    1. We need the media kudos in having reduced the "carnage on the roads".
    2. We have severe recession and are approaching bankruptcy, so we need to soak the population for every red cent we can get without ever having to be honest and increase direct taxation.
    3. We can get a lot of loot using speed cameras, but unfortunately we also enacted a penalty points system whereby a certain number of points means loss of license.
    4. If we put too many people off the roads we will lose their motor tax and their fines.

    It's a big problem, so what's the solution? Ah:

    1. Appoint a private speed camera contractor (we then can't be blamed if he is too efficient and makes himself a few bucks).
    2. Ensure that those private cameras move around a lot so that they don't catch the same people often enough for them to lose their licence.
    3. Maintain and extend the illogical speed limits that change by at least 50% on blind bends, with a convenient lay-by for camera vans immediately beyond.
    4. Announce a Garda crackdown on speeders in one county after another, so that the drivers in the counties not named will feel secure and will not be on the lookout for cameras and vans.
    5. Spend money on "Speed Kills" signs on roads where there have been no accidents in living memory (other than Paddy Murphy who fell off his donkey in 1896), thus avoiding spending that money on correcting roads where there have been accidents. Such signs, however, give the impression that we are concerned and are doing something.
    6. Appoint to the RSA a media personality who is revered by the public as a national treasure but who doesn't drive. Let him tell the proles how delinquent they are, because they will accept his word, will tell the Rosary, and pay their fines.

    Ah! How satisfying politics is!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,561 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    ART6 wrote: »
    There is a dilemma for our government (???) in all of this. It is:

    1. We need the media kudos in having reduced the "carnage on the roads".
    2. We have severe recession and are approaching bankruptcy, so we need to soak the population for every red cent we can get without ever having to be honest and increase direct taxation.
    3. We can get a lot of loot using speed cameras, but unfortunately we also enacted a penalty points system whereby a certain number of points means loss of license.
    4. If we put too many people off the roads we will lose their motor tax and their fines.

    It's a big problem, so what's the solution? Ah:

    1. Appoint a private speed camera contractor (we then can't be blamed if he is too efficient and makes himself a few bucks).
    2. Ensure that those private cameras move around a lot so that they don't catch the same people often enough for them to lose their licence.
    3. Maintain and extend the illogical speed limits that change by at least 50% on blind bends, with a convenient lay-by for camera vans immediately beyond.
    4. Announce a Garda crackdown on speeders in one county after another, so that the drivers in the counties not named will feel secure and will not be on the lookout for cameras and vans.
    5. Spend money on "Speed Kills" signs on roads where there have been no accidents in living memory (other than Paddy Murphy who fell off his donkey in 1896), thus avoiding spending that money on correcting roads where there have been accidents. Such signs, however, give the impression that we are concerned and are doing something.
    6. Appoint to the RSA a media personality who is revered by the public as a national treasure but who doesn't drive. Let him tell the proles how delinquent they are, because they will accept his word, will tell the Rosary, and pay their fines.

    Ah! How satisfying politics is!

    A new "Accident Black Spot" road sign campaign may be warranted


  • Registered Users Posts: 27 onedaylikethis


    KamiKazi wrote: »
    Hope they all get burnt out just like the one in Cork a while back.

    F**K THAT.

    I applied for a job driving one of these vans ( i know, the shame of it ). If i am lucky enough to get an interview i will be asking if the uniform is fireproof. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭Abraham


    F**K THAT.

    I applied for a job driving one of these vans ( i know, the shame of it ). If i am lucky enough to get an interview i will be asking if the uniform is fireproof. :D

    Betcha won't tell it in your local !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭PARKHEAD67


    Sizzler wrote: »
    Ahem, might as get this line out of the way now as it never ceases the amount of Mother Teresa's on this thread who love to post "if you don't speed you won't have to worry about it" :rolleyes:

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/signs-to-warn-motorists-of-new-mobile-speed-cameras-2388839.html?from=dailynews



    The sad thing here is its quiet obvious that within a week of 'go live' we know there will be examples of these vans in situ in blatant revenue generating areas, road safety will not be primary. Of course I stand to be corrected but this is Ireland.
    HEAD.NAIL.HIT.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭jock101


    Get used to driving at 5k below the speed limit, and get to know the speed limits of the area's you drive in!


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