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Chris Brown at the Grammys

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  • #102
    Storminateacup
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,424 ✭✭✭Storminateacup


    Below are the lyrics for love the way you lie -- great message to be sending people anyway. It gives me the chills though I do admit to liking both songs.

    On the first page of our story
    The future seemed so bright
    Then this thing turned out so evil
    I don't know why I'm still surprised
    Even angels have their wicked schemes
    And you take that to new extremes
    But you'll always be my hero
    Even though you've lost your mind

    Just gonna stand there and watch me burn
    But that's alright because I like the way it hurts
    Just gonna stand there and hear me cry
    But that's alright because I love the way you lie
    I love the way you lie
    Ohhh, I love the way you lie

    [Rihanna's Part 2]
    Now there's gravel in our voices
    Glass is shattered from the fight
    And this tug of war, you'll always win
    Even when I'm right
    'Cause you feed me fables from your head
    With violent words and empty threats
    And it's sick that all these battles
    Are what keeps me satisfied

    Just gonna stand there and watch me burn
    But that's alright because I like the way it hurts
    Just gonna stand there and hear me cry
    But that's alright because I love the way you lie
    I love the way you lie
    Ohhh, I love the way you lie

    [Rihanna's Part 3]
    So maybe I'm a masochist
    I try to run but I don't wanna ever leave
    Til the walls are goin' up
    In smoke with all our memories

    [Eminem's Part]
    It's morning, you wake, a sunray hits your face
    Smeared makeup as we lay in the wake of destruction
    Hush baby, speak softly, tell me you're awfully sorry
    That you pushed me into the coffee table last night
    So I can push you off me
    Try and touch me so I can scream at you not to touch me
    Run out the room and I'll follow you like a lost puppy
    Baby, without you, I'm nothing, I'm so lost, hug me
    Then tell me how ugly I am, but that you'll always love me
    Then after that, shove me, in the aftermath of the
    Destructive path that we're on, two psychopaths but we
    Know that no matter how many knives we put in each other's backs
    That we'll have each other's backs, 'cause we're that lucky
    Together, we move mountains, let's not make mountains out of molehills,
    You hit me twice, yeah, but who's countin'?
    I may have hit you three times, I'm startin' to lose count
    But together, we'll live forever, we found the youth fountain
    Our love is crazy, we're nuts, but I refused counsellin'
    This house is too huge, if you move out I'll burn all two thousand
    Square feet of it to the ground, ain't shi-t you can do about it
    With you I'm in my f-ckin' mind, without you, I'm out it


  • #103
    seanybiker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    Kooli wrote: »
    Full details in case anyone's interested (warning, it's horrific):

    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1606481/chris-brown-police-report-provides-details-altercation.jhtml
    holy focksocks. Never knew it was that bad in fairness. I thought it was one maybe two slaps. Dunno how he didn't get time for that. Well I do, he's famous and has money so got no time.
    Saying that though, he seems to have done all the courts told him to do so in that sense he should be allowed work on his chosen profession.


    If it was my sister or anyone related to me it happened to, missing the gammys would be the least of his problems.


  • #104
    PrincessLola
    Registered Users Posts: 851 ✭✭✭PrincessLola


    People need to realise that it was much more that a few hits, he had her in a stranglehold which cut off her blood supply to her head and she was losing consciousness.

    Maybe I wouln't mind if he genuinely showed some remorse, but he just acted like he was the victim and complained that Oprah didn't help him (lol)


  • #105
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    PrincessLola wrote: »
    People need to realise that it was much more that a few hits, he had her in a stranglehold which cut off her blood supply to her head and she was losing consciousness.

    Maybe I wouln't mind if he genuinely showed some remorse, but he just acted like he was the victim and complained that Oprah didn't help him (lol)

    And then he smashed a window in his dressing room after being questioned about Rihanna at his first comeback interview on Good morning America. Watch the video - the rage in his eyes is scary.

    If you look at Rihanna's music and videos before and after the assault, she completely changed afterwards. Her music and videos got darker and darker, it definitely affected her badly, the poor divil!

    When I heard she forgave him, and was talking to him, I was like nooooo! But I wasn't surprised.

    It's so common. Imagine loving some-one and then them beating the sh*t out of you. Your brain can't process it so you blame yourself.

    Everyone deserves a second chance, BUT not to the extent he has where he has been welcomed back with open arms, and the Grammy's saying that they were the victim of the situation. It is sending out a bad message to alot of impressionable young people. I'm disappointed in the Grammy's.


  • #106
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    Chris Brown interview where he smashed a window after. She didn't even say anything that provocative to him!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlCmrRdMsKk

    And an interesting body language analysis of the same interview:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kr_x-94at8

    If you look at the uploader's account he's actually very good and has analysed alot of celebrity interviews. I find his analysis really interesting.


  • #107
    newport2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,607 ✭✭✭newport2


    seanybiker wrote: »
    Dunno how he didn't get time for that. Well I do, he's famous and has money so got no time.

    Exactly. I remember before hearing a phrase something along the lines of "The doors of justice are open to all, like those of the Four Season's Hotel."


  • #108
    Contessa Raven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭Contessa Raven


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Chris Brown interview where he smashed a window after. She didn't even say anything that provocative to him!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlCmrRdMsKk

    And an interesting body language analysis of the same interview:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kr_x-94at8

    If you look at the uploader's account he's actually very good and has analysed alot of celebrity interviews. I find his analysis really interesting.

    Everytime she asks him something about the Rihanna incident he deflects it straight away back to his album. Obviously he doesn't want to talk about it but he must realise that it was a serious issue and people will want to talk about it. Especially because it was one of the first interviews he did after laying low.

    As for the comment by Ehrlich, it's a ridiculous statement and I don't understand how he hasn't been made to apologize. Does not compute.


  • #109
    Giselle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Giselle


    Contessa Raven wrote: »
    As for the comment by Ehrlich, it's a ridiculous statement and I don't understand how he hasn't been made to apologize. Does not compute.

    I think its more than ridiculous, I think its actually a bit sinister.

    He welcomes Brown to perform on stage, characterizes the event has having been victimized by Browns violent criminal behaviour, and he does this while the ACTUAL victim of this savage beating and threats on her life is sitting in the audience watching and listening.

    Was it done to humiliate her? How could any adult not know the effect it would have on her?

    He should be hauled over the coals over this one. Email sent!


  • #110
    Daftendirekt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Daftendirekt


    pickarooney wrote: »
    Why is he not still in jail for such a horrific assault? There's no way I, as an employer, would take back someone who had done that, let alone forgive him if he'd done it to someone close to me.

    Don't think he even did any jail time... Community service, five years probation and a year long domestic abuse program.


  • #111
    Ickle Magoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    EdenHazard banned for a week - there has been plenty warnings in this thread about what this forum is and what is appropriate to post here.

    For the last time - if you have no mature and constructive addition to make to the discussion, don't post.

    Please read the forum charter before posting in this forum again.


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  • #112
    goose2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    Amy Winehouse beating her husband wasn't mentioned after her death; and when Rebekah Brooks was so prominent in the News International scandal her assault on her ex-husband Ross Kemp wasn't mentioned either.


  • #113
    Tigger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭Tigger99


    goose2005 wrote: »
    Amy Winehouse beating her husband wasn't mentioned after her death; and when Rebekah Brooks was so prominent in the News International scandal her assault on her ex-husband Ross Kemp wasn't mentioned either.

    Bad stories usually aren't mentioned after someone death, and I read about Rebekah a good few times, despite the power that she would still yield in the media.

    By the way I don't really understand the point you are making, that stories of women beating men aren't mentioned in the media (which they are) and so we shouldn't be discussing this:confused:. Is that it?

    It does get very tiring on LL talking about one issue that mentions women and almost having to put in a blanket BUT IT HAPPENS TO MEN TOO, just in case god forbid we don't refer to it in the thread.


  • #114
    Maple
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 16,186 ✭✭✭✭Maple


    goose2005 wrote: »
    Amy Winehouse beating her husband wasn't mentioned after her death; and when Rebekah Brooks was so prominent in the News International scandal her assault on her ex-husband Ross Kemp wasn't mentioned either.
    Do you really need another warning? I'd have thought you ought to be familiar with the ethos of TLL by now. Nobody is denying that horrible things happen to men too, however TLL was established to discuss topics from a women's perspective. Please respect that.

    Maple


  • #115
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Tigger99 wrote: »
    I read about Rebekah a good few times, despite the power that she would still yield in the media.

    By the way I don't really understand the point you are making, that stories of women beating men aren't mentioned in the media (which they are) and so we shouldn't be discussing this:confused:. Is that it?

    It does get very tiring on LL talking about one issue that mentions women and almost having to put in a blanket BUT IT HAPPENS TO MEN TOO, just in case god forbid we don't refer to it in the thread.
    Yeah this thread is about Chris Brown. :confused:

    I remember there being plenty of mention of that Brooks/Kemp case at the time also.


  • #116
    VagnerLove
    Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭VagnerLove


    so what's the story with Rihanna on her twitter?

    retweeted Chris Brown wishing her a happy birthday and posted a link to a remix they're both on.
    @chrisbrown Turn up the music remix #RihannaNavy #Teambreezy enjoy!!!

    to be fair, now she's making it clear that she's moved on from what happened, it should be expected that people accept him performing at award shows :)


  • #117
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    VagnerLove wrote: »
    so what's the story with Rihanna on her twitter?

    retweeted Chris Brown wishing her a happy birthday and posted a link to a remix they're both on.

    to be fair, now she's making it clear that she's moved on from what happened, it should be expected that people accept him performing at award shows :)

    Why? Michael Vick is an American football player who was convicted of bankrolling an illegal dog fighting operation. Dozens of animals were injured and killed. He went to jail, and is now back in the National Football League. Because he served his time, does that mean we should all run out and buy his jersey?


  • #118
    CaliforniaDream
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭CaliforniaDream


    southsiderosie wrote: »
    Why? Michael Vick is an American football player who was convicted of bankrolling an illegal dog fighting operation. Dozens of animals were injured and killed. He went to jail, and is now back in the National Football League. Because he served his time, does that mean we should all run out and buy his jersey?

    Does it mean that no-one should support the Eagles? This point is a bit silly if you ask me. The OP is talking about Chris Brown, not Michael Vick.

    Regarding my earlier post, I'd like to retract what I said about him seeming to apologise.
    Having read more, watched videos etc, it doesn't seem to me he was genuine in his apology. However, I still stand by my belief that he should be allowed to work uninterrupted. He still has complied with all court orders and continues to comply.
    The Grammy quote was way out of line and needs to be addressed.


  • #119
    Honey-ec
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,844 ✭✭✭Honey-ec


    VagnerLove wrote: »
    to be fair, now she's making it clear that she's moved on from what happened, it should be expected that people accept him performing at award shows :)

    Loads of women continually return to violent men. It does not mean that what the men have done is acceptable/forgiveable in any way and that everyone else should just move on and deal with it.


  • #120
    Da Shins Kelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    Giselle wrote: »
    I think its more than ridiculous, I think its actually a bit sinister.

    He welcomes Brown to perform on stage, characterizes the event has having been victimized by Browns violent criminal behaviour, and he does this while the ACTUAL victim of this savage beating and threats on her life is sitting in the audience watching and listening.

    Was it done to humiliate her? How could any adult not know the effect it would have on her?

    He should be hauled over the coals over this one. Email sent!

    To be honest, I've never really gotten the impression from Rihanna that she hadn't moved on from the event.


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  • #121
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    CaliforniaDream wrote: »
    Does it mean that no-one should support the Eagles? This point is a bit silly if you ask me. The OP is talking about Chris Brown, not Michael Vick.

    I think the Michael Vick issue illustrates the broader point: at what point is the public expected to 'forgive' a celebrity for their transgressions? And are there some crimes which as so awful that they shouldn't be?


  • #122
    VagnerLove
    Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭VagnerLove


    forgiven is probably the wrong word because it's between Rihanna and himself, but obviously loads of people have moved on from what happened, not just her.

    also, people were wondering how Rihanna actually felt about him performing at the Grammy's again, and it's now obvious she isn't too bothered.


  • #123
    ceegee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,235 ✭✭✭ceegee


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBlNnJlgu8w



    Bit of a twitter war going on between Brown and CM Punk (a wrestler) - good to see at least one celebrity calling out Brown on his actions.


  • #124
    Gyalist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Gyalist


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lZTqV3qs0s


    Here's her latest release.

    Chris Brown's opening line is:
    "Girl I want to f**k you right now / Been a long time I've been missing your body"

    Apparently Rihanna has also added extra lyrics to the remix:
    "If you still want to kiss it, come and get it"

    Clearly Rihanna isn't taking her role as the anti-DV patron saint seriously.


  • #125
    Ickle Magoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    Gyalist wrote: »
    Clearly Rihanna isn't taking her role as the anti-DV patron saint seriously.

    That sounds suspiciously like petty mocking of domestic violence and those who dare to suggest it should be a big deal...niiiiice....always looks well on a poster when they do that, I feel, especially in this forum.

    And as we all know - the power play and psychology behind those that return to relationships where they have experienced domestic violence is really just as simple as one party making a perfectly rational decision that being beaten up is totally forgiveable, if not a normal part, of a healthy relationship...

    ...now, surely nobody is actually THAT naive? :confused:


  • #126
    bensweeney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭bensweeney


    baby and crumble wrote: »
    I am NOT a proponent of violence in any way, however Chris Brown admitted he did wrong, entered into and complied with all parole/ custodial sentencing that I am aware of, and has the right to get on with his life and career again, and he should be allowed do so without people bringing up his past. Surely that is the point of rehabilitation?

    OMG is all I can say about that post. As a mod you should know better!


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  • #127
    Maple
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 16,186 ✭✭✭✭Maple


    bensweeney wrote: »
    baby and crumble wrote: »
    I am NOT a proponent of violence in any way, however Chris Brown admitted he did wrong, entered into and complied with all parole/ custodial sentencing that I am aware of, and has the right to get on with his life and career again, and he should be allowed do so without people bringing up his past. Surely that is the point of rehabilitation?

    OMG is all I can say about that post. As a mod you should know better!
    Good grief. Out of all the posts on this thread that reiterate exactly the same thing that b&c said, you've chosen to pick hers because she's a mod. singling out a mod in this fashion is utterly pathetic and any further attempts to derail the thread by having a dig at a moderator will result in an infraction and/or a ban.

    Maple


  • #128
    Bismarck26
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ✭Bismarck26


    Kooli,

    You give me the impression that you are a sexest or anti men. We are all equal in todays western world women and men have equal rights and are seen as equal.

    Yet when you speck about violence against individuals you say it as violence against women as if to imply that violence against men is a lesser crime than when commited against a women...

    Cheryl Cole beat a women in a toilet yet you dont seem to have a problem that nobody cares about that? She is happy and the media is happy for her to have a life after she beat a women and i saw the photos of her attack they were degusting she really beat her up she was black and blue and swollen. The same as rihanna looked..

    It seems your argument is more about your chip on your shoulder rather then actual violence against an individual because if it was then you would be fighting for everyones rights not just womens.. Believe it or not men bleed and have feelings just like women do...


  • #129
    kerash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭kerash


    Ah media whores, is there nothing they won't do for publicity?


  • #130
    Kooli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Kooli


    Bismarck26 wrote: »
    Kooli,

    You give me the impression that you are a sexest or anti men. We are all equal in todays western world women and men have equal rights and are seen as equal.

    Yet when you speck about violence against individuals you say it as violence against women as if to imply that violence against men is a lesser crime than when commited against a women...

    Cheryl Cole beat a women in a toilet yet you dont seem to have a problem that nobody cares about that? She is happy and the media is happy for her to have a life after she beat a women and i saw the photos of her attack they were degusting she really beat her up she was black and blue and swollen. The same as rihanna looked..

    It seems your argument is more about your chip on your shoulder rather then actual violence against an individual because if it was then you would be fighting for everyones rights not just womens.. Believe it or not men bleed and have feelings just like women do...

    Wow you registered just to say that to me?

    I'm sorry if I come off as anti-men or sexist. I assure you I'm not.

    You say men and women are equal. I don't believe they are (although I do believe they should be), and I believe that's the reason it would be very hard for us to agree on this matter. I think that sexism and misogyny are still rife at the moment, in some big ways but more so in a million different everyday ways. I do think a lot of women experience oppression and marginalisation every day just as a result of being a woman (and I agree that other women don't). And I believe we live in a culture that glamorises violence, minimises violence against women, and engages in victim-blaming and I am responding to the Chris Brown incident from that perspective.

    It's not that I don't have a problem with the Cheryl Cole incident. I'd be interested to read more about it if there were issues of race or oppression and if the attack was as violent as you say. Then yes it would be relevant to this discussion, and I'd be interested to discuss it. But when the relevance is just 'one person beats up another person', you are missing the points I am making about power and privilege and oppression and sexism.

    I don't know much about the Cheryl Cole thing, so I don't know what to think about it, and if someone came on to start a thread criticising her, I wouldn't jump in with a strong and vehement opinion without knowing what happened. Yet a lot of people on this thread jumped in to vehemently defend Chris Brown without knowing any of the facts (i.e. how bad the beating was, what his 'apology' consisted of, what his sentence consisted of, how much or little he has demonstrated remorse since the attack, what exactly the Grammies people said about inviting him back), and when they learned the facts they subsequently modified their position to some extent. So what prompted people to automatically defend him and label my response as extreme without being absolutely sure what happened? I'm really curious where that response comes from...

    Just like I'm not going to automatically defend or attack Cheryl Cole about a story I don't know much about just because other people want me to hold a strong position.


  • #131
    Bismarck26
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ✭Bismarck26


    When i speak about men and women being equal in the western world with equal rights i dont just say it because thats what is suggested by others i say it from my 30 years of life experenice.

    My sisters, female school mates, female college mates, female university mates, female work colleagues, female friends on local GAA, soccer and rugby teams all had the same opportunities, advantages, and rights as i did growing up some became more successful than me others about the same and others were not so successful. I went for jobs where women were successful and i wasnt.

    Compared to 30 years ago i would suggest that maybe its rife that women are treated as equals and repected where (other women are not) I believe that the women and men not treated well are in the minority now thankfully.

    It is also Men how are treated with disrespect I am worried by your consistent use of the word Women instead of individuals. Do you still see yourself as being different or the need to put yourself into a group?

    What about domestic violence against men? what about societies blindness to women hitting men in public, what about the lack of respect society shows to men example (tv show Take me out)

    Its not all about women like i said believe it or not men bleed and have feelings just like women.. therfore the word individual would be better used than women so you can show that you understand that people from all backgrounds, gender, race and religion suffer from power and privilege and oppression and sexism.

    I have had numerious discussions about this with my female friends and none have experenced any form of oppression or sexism infact my female friends suggested to me that they had it easier in Uni getting away with more and getting more help from male lecturers because they could charm them... I found this unfair but was told thats the benefits of being a women.

    Like i said from the beginging i get my information from a primary source my female friends who live and work in this world.

    The people who understand best about what happened between chris and rihanna are people around them both and the music industry. Nobody else.. chris did his punshiment that was handed out when he was convicted and now wants to get on with his life.

    He was a young man who made a mistake and should have the chance to rectify that. The fact that he made a comeback is that everyone understands from living life that we make mistakes and luckly can become better people given a second chance.

    Im not sure where you come from but where i come from if a man hits a women in public he will be slammed for it because its not acceptable. Unfortunately im oppressed as a man in the western world in this sence because apparently when a women punchs me in the face or kicks me in the leg it doesnt hurt and i dont have feelings so its ok to hit me if your a women.... see where im going with this.........


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  • #132
    Ickle Magoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    Bismark26 - this is the Ladies Lounge, please don't derail and push threads off-topic by indulging in whataboutery.

    This forum exists for female posters to discuss issues from their perspective...if you wish a discussion about other issues from any other perspective, you are welcome to start a thread in the relevant forum.

    If you haven't already done so, please acquaint yourself with the forum charter HERE

    Many thanks


  • #133
    ceegee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,235 ✭✭✭ceegee


    Bismarck26 wrote: »

    He was a young man who made a mistake and should have the chance to rectify that. The fact that he made a comeback is that everyone understands from living life that we make mistakes and luckly can become better people given a second chance.

    Im not sure where you come from but where i come from if a man hits a women in public he will be slammed for it because its not acceptable. Unfortunately im oppressed as a man in the western world in this sence because apparently when a women punchs me in the face or kicks me in the leg it doesnt hurt and i dont have feelings so its ok to hit me if your a women.... see where im going with this.........

    Firstly, the way you talk makes it seems like Brown swung out once - it was a prolonged and brutal assault. Have a read through this:

    http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/03/05/brown.warrant.pdf

    and tell me that people would ignore it if a woman had done it.

    Secondly, in what way has he rectified his "mistake"?? His behaviour lately has shown that he is still a violent aggressive individual who should not be allowed to act as if he has done nothing wrong.


  • #134
    Kooli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Kooli


    Thanks Bismark but you could not even comprehend how little interest I have in engaging in yet another conversation with a man about how sexism doesn't exist and women have it easier. In the Ladies Lounge. Yet again.
    Has there ever been a thread about sexism on boards that doesn't go down that route at some point? EVER?

    So, no, I will not be doing that.


  • #135
    Azureus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭Azureus


    http://www.hollywoodlife.com/2011/10/11/rihanna-new-november-esquire-chris-brown-forgive-interview/

    My view on this is if the person involved (I hate the word victim, Rihanna) can forgive him and move on publicly, then clearly it is time to move on from it. I dont see how arguments and debates about whether he should or should not be allowed perform at something as trivial as the Grammy awards matter-it is not bringing attention towards the issue of domestic violence and the reprecussions and effects of it, its derailing something serious and very real to a lot of women (and men) into the celebrity realm where everything has a layer of gloss over it.

    If people wanna talk about domestic violence issues, great-knowledge is power-but let Rihanna and Chris Brown get on with their lives, they never signed up to be the poster children for the issue (mainly Rihanna).


  • #136
    Kimia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭Kimia


    Apparently Chris Brown grabbed some girl's phone outside a club in Miami and drove off with it because she took some photos of him. He apparently said something like 'b*tch you not gonna put this up on no website'.

    I have to say, whatever about everything that has happened with Rhianna etc which clearly was horrific, I just get a really really bad vibe from this guy. It all seems to add up to a young arrogant douche who doesn't have any respect for anyone else, not just women.


  • #137
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    I'm really dissapointed that Rihanna has done her new song with him, Birthday cake :(. Really sending out the wrong message Rihanna.


  • #138
    Da Shins Kelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    Kimia wrote: »
    Apparently Chris Brown grabbed some girl's phone outside a club in Miami and drove off with it because she took some photos of him. He apparently said something like 'b*tch you not gonna put this up on no website'.

    I have to say, whatever about everything that has happened with Rhianna etc which clearly was horrific, I just get a really really bad vibe from this guy. It all seems to add up to a young arrogant douche who doesn't have any respect for anyone else, not just women.

    He clearly has rage issues.

    With regards to Rihanna, she did a song with him recently and there are rumours they've been meeting up secretly and such. If it turns out that they hook up again, that'll be pretty bad form on her part.


  • #139
    Eviledna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭Eviledna


    I thought this opinion piece on The birthday cake was really well written, it kinds of sums up my thoughts too!

    This is just going to harm Rihanna's career, IMO. I just couldn't understand her wanting to make that guy more money as well as making some herself from the whole debacle. I've lost a lot of respect for her over this.


  • #140
    careymary
    Closed Accounts Posts: 460 ✭✭careymary


    I think its really unfair of people to expect Rihanna to be a role model for others, yes she is famous and has potential to reach a huge audience but she is also still a young adult who was subjected to extreme violence and who knows what else went on in their relationship
    Non famous people who are subjected to similar things often leave and return to DV relationships and can take a long time coming to terms and understanding the dynamics of what happened to them. I dont know what type of help Rihanna received, I can only hope she got some
    Lets try remember she is not the one who did anything wrong, many victims of crimes dont go on to become spokespeople for the cause, she shouldnt be forced to just because she is famous.
    We have seen the replies and debates on this thread about the situation, I am sure Rihanna has heard plenty too, I am sure if I were in her situation at her age I would be tempted to act like I am ok and cool with it, emotionally it may seem the easier option in the short term, who knows whats really going on inside for her


  • #141
    CaliforniaDream
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭CaliforniaDream


    Kooli wrote: »
    Yet a lot of people on this thread jumped in to vehemently defend Chris Brown without knowing any of the facts (i.e. how bad the beating was, what his 'apology' consisted of, what his sentence consisted of, how much or little he has demonstrated remorse since the attack, what exactly the Grammies people said about inviting him back), and when they learned the facts they subsequently modified their position to some extent. So what prompted people to automatically defend him and label my response as extreme without being absolutely sure what happened? I'm really curious where that response comes from...

    Just on this point, as I feel I may be one of the people in mind when you posted it.

    I didn't vehemently defend Chris Brown. I did at the time know the 'facts' so when I posted first I was posting on memory. Having watched some videos I've changed my viewpoint on his apology.

    However, based on the attack and sentencing, I still believe he should be allowed perform. If he was to act this way again I wouldn't be supportive of him at all but you cannot stop someone from working because of one incident.

    It was a horrific attack, I'm not going to gloss over that, but he's young and deserves the chance to work. I wouldn't stop him from getting a job in an office, or MacDonalds, or a car dealership etc, so don't see why he should get a job singing.

    I still think you may be missing the point people have about not supporting his attack, simply supporting his right to move on from it and work uninterrupted.


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