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3G/HSPA Routers

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  • #152
    Will_H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Will_H


    I've decided to take a punt on the Sapido 1733. Will be happy to post details once it is received and trialed! Including shipping, it comes in at €72.

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    I know another user here posted earlier that they have the Sapido RB1132 and is extremely happy with it. Works with the E122 which is what I have.

    I have a quick question though for anyone who may know - it comes with the US plug, so I will need an adapter. Does anyone know whether this one is suitable? This is the router spec - Power : AC in 100~240V, DC out 12V 1A

    Thanks!


  • #153
    jdeacon82
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭jdeacon82


    can anyone give me a definite answer on the TP-Link TL-MR3420 with e122 modem is it compatible have read so many conflicting reviews i am in the market for a good router in the 50euro range any opinions


  • #154
    baords dyslexic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭baords dyslexic


    jdeacon82 wrote: »
    can anyone give me a definite answer on the TP-Link TL-MR3420 with e122 modem is it compatible have read so many conflicting reviews i am in the market for a good router in the 50euro range any opinions

    If you google TP-Link TL-MR3420 modem compatability list you'll find this compatability list and the e122 is found in several locations there incuding under "Other locations", because Ireland is not specifically mentioned then you'll need to know the APN and any other necessary connection details (often just the dial string which is the same for everyone in Ireland *99#).


  • #155
    Dunny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Dunny


    Just got a Tp-Link TL-MR3220 but for the life of me I have no idea how to hook it up.

    I connected it to the laptop and dongle in the back of the router but no internet.

    Can anyone help please


  • #156
    baords dyslexic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭baords dyslexic


    Dunny! wrote: »
    Just got a Tp-Link TL-MR3220 but for the life of me I have no idea how to hook it up.

    I connected it to the laptop and dongle in the back of the router but no internet.

    Can anyone help please

    All you need is the APN, Dial Number and any password to get it to work.

    Who are you with and what dongle are you useing.

    Can you even get to the home page for the web config of the router?

    I posted a screen shot of the settings for 3 here in another thread at the bottom of the page.


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  • #157
    NATLOR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,319 ✭✭✭NATLOR


    hi,i use a huawei k3520 on vodafone for my broadband and was looking for a compatible wireless router to get wifi in my home.

    any suggestions appreciated


  • #158
    Sure Thing
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭Sure Thing


    @Natlor

    For your modem I think you would find something like the following suitable:

    Edimax 3G-6200N nLite Wireless 802.11n 3G Broadband - £32 approx

    Easy to set up and decent signal strength.


  • #159
    NATLOR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,319 ✭✭✭NATLOR


    thanks for your suggestion,looks like it will do the job,will give that a try


  • #160
    The Mulk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭The Mulk


    Would the vodafone sharing dock be any good, I have the 3g dongle at the moment.


  • #161
    Shane732
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭Shane732


    Ok I'm very confused!

    I currently have the Meteor Mobile Hotspot and I get speeds of roughly 4 mb using it.

    However, one of the main problems I have with it is that the battery doesn't last very long.

    Ideally I'd like to get a router - that can be connected to the mains and I can connect via wi-fi......

    I'd like a stronger antenna as well.


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  • #162
    baords dyslexic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭baords dyslexic


    Shane732 wrote: »
    Ok I'm very confused!

    I currently have the Meteor Mobile Hotspot and I get speeds of roughly 4 mb using it.

    However, one of the main problems I have with it is that the battery doesn't last very long.

    Ideally I'd like to get a router - that can be connected to the mains and I can connect via wi-fi......

    I'd like a stronger antenna as well.

    You really don't have much of an upgrade path from a Mobile Hotspot, best bet would be to get a decent dongle and then a cheap 3G WiFi router, you should be able to do the lot for a good bit less than 100euro.

    Antennas really aren't all they are cracked up to be, once you can get a signal the biggest issue is competition with other users and there's nothing you can do about that.


  • #163
    CraigSmith_IO
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭CraigSmith_IO


    Using the emobile e173 with the TP-Link MR3220.

    My issue is that I have to keep disconnecting the wireless network and reconnecting as the internet connection is just lost. Have to keep doing it every 5-10 minutes?


  • #164
    baords dyslexic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭baords dyslexic


    CraigSmith_IO wrote: »
    Using the emobile e173 with the TP-Link MR3220.

    My issue is that I have to keep disconnecting the wireless network and reconnecting as the internet connection is just lost. Have to keep doing it every 5-10 minutes?

    Disconecting the wireless network where? If what you are doing doesn't restart the the router then the problem isn't anything to do with the e173 or its connection to the internet.


  • #165
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    DID were doing 3G/Cable modems for €45. TL MR3420

    http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?model=TL-MR3420

    I'm using it with my UPC at the moment. Not sure how do configure it for my Meteor 3G dongle. I suspect the default settings in it for meteor are out of date.

    What are the Meteor 3G details for
    Dial no
    APN
    Username
    Password


  • #166
    baords dyslexic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭baords dyslexic


    BostonB wrote: »
    DID were doing 3G/Cable modems for €45. TL MR3420

    http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?model=TL-MR3420

    I'm using it with my UPC at the moment. Not sure how do configure it for my Meteor 3G dongle. I suspect the default settings in it for meteor are out of date.

    What are the Meteor 3G details for
    Dial no
    APN
    Username
    Password

    afaik

    *99#
    broadband.mymeteor.ie

    and no Username or Password

    but if anyone wants to correct me that fine by me ;)


  • #167
    CraigSmith_IO
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭CraigSmith_IO


    Ok it was a configuration issue I think. I prematurely put the USB modem in. I reset the router and followed steps from a different thread. Haven't disconnected, yet.

    The reason I'm testing it out is because my store is going to be selling them, so need to make sure it's a stable connection first. The quick start guide is a bit iffy, tells you to plug in the USB modem straight away. If you set all the APN's first etc then plug it in and reboot you seem to get a stable connection from it.

    EDIT:

    Take that back. Basically after about 5-10 minutes either the connection just doesn't work or my Wireless Connection comes up with no internet access? It was more stable though until it disconnected. As I said to fix it, all I did was disconnect from the wireless network and reconnected. Can't work out where the problem lies.


  • #168
    baords dyslexic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭baords dyslexic


    CraigSmith_IO wrote: »
    Ok it was a configuration issue I think. I prematurely put the USB modem in. I reset the router and followed steps from a different thread. Haven't disconnected, yet.

    The reason I'm testing it out is because my store is going to be selling them, so need to make sure it's a stable connection first. The quick start guide is a bit iffy, tells you to plug in the USB modem straight away. If you set all the APN's first etc then plug it in and reboot you seem to get a stable connection from it.

    If you read the instructions or followed a wizard then thats where you went wrong :P

    That router doesn't have all the settings necessary for Ireland so easier to do it manually and there is at least one new dongle thats not supported.


  • #169
    baords dyslexic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭baords dyslexic


    CraigSmith_IO wrote: »
    EDIT:

    Take that back. Basically after about 5-10 minutes either the connection just doesn't work or my Wireless Connection comes up with no internet access? It was more stable though until it disconnected. As I said to fix it, all I did was disconnect from the wireless network and reconnected. Can't work out where the problem lies.

    Then stop using the wireless :rolleyes: and see if the wireless is the issue.

    If it is do the normal WiFi trouble shooting stuff.


  • #170
    Dunny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Dunny


    baords dyslexic wrote: »
    All you need is the APN, Dial Number and any password to get it to work.

    Who are you with and what dongle are you useing.

    Can you even get to the home page for the web config of the router?

    I posted a screen shot of the settings for 3 here in another thread at the bottom of the page.

    It's a vodafone K3765

    I decided to try again later. Will report back.

    I dunno what the APN, Dial Number or pass/username is (sorry)

    How do i find these out? thanks


  • #171
    baords dyslexic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭baords dyslexic


    For vodafone, the last TL MR3420 and a K3765 I set up worked with just the APN hs.vodafone.ie, dial no *99# and setting up the wireless with a WPA2 key. Set it up about 3 months ago for a mate and its worked with nothing more than the occasional power off/on reboot since. If the dongle itself crashes then with most 3G routers you can only get back online by powering the dongle on and off and its just as easy to switch the router off and back on at the power switch. I have my edimax 3G router set up with a remote control power switch (from Lidl) as the plug isn't easy to get to.


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  • #172
    Dunny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Dunny


    Thanks, would this be the same with the TL-MR3220?


  • #173
    Dunny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Dunny


    Just reading the manual for it here, do I need a dsl or broadband connection?? All I have is the dongle?


  • #174
    Dunny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Dunny


    Im at a loss, anytime I try hook it up with the laptop i get the no internet access logo warning-general-2.gif

    The dongle flashes blue but i cant get it to connect :(


  • #175
    baords dyslexic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭baords dyslexic


    Dunny! wrote: »
    Thanks, would this be the same with the TL-MR3220?

    They are all the same afaik.

    But your giving nothing like enough info to see what your problem is.

    When you log in to the router the first page you see is a page that gives you a summary of whats going on on the router (status) and somewhere on that page it tells you if you are connected or not how are you connecting to the router it also tells you if it recognises the dongle and the signal strength. btw forget the EFing wizards all you configuer is the 3G connection and the wireless connection, the router can also use a fixed line broadband connectoin via the WAN port but just forget that you don't have it so your just configuring the 3G bit.


  • #176
    Dunny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Dunny


    How do i log into the router?

    I connect it to the laptop via ethernet cable, lights come on and are working according to the manual. I dunno what info you need like?


  • #177
    baords dyslexic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭baords dyslexic


    Dunny! wrote: »
    How do i log into the router?

    I connect it to the laptop via ethernet cable, lights come on and are working according to the manual. I dunno what info you need like?

    I can't remember the IP address the router uses just check whatever your default gateway is from an IPCONFIG command from the CMD> promt.

    Then open a browser and type that IP into the address bar and press return try 192.168.1.1


  • #178
    -=al=-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭-=al=-


    Anyone know of any 3g routers apart from the huawei b260a that you can put the sim in instead of a dongle via usb?


  • #179
    mystic86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭mystic86


    Hi there,

    I have a three.ie 3g modem (Huawei E585) and I want to connect it to TpLink TL-3220.

    When I connect one to the other it doesn't work automatically so i go into settings on the TPLink and click on 3G but it only gives me three options - vodafone, O2 and Meteor....
    There is a section to enter details myself for the APN but I don't know what to write, could anyone help me out please?

    I tried writing a few things but none would work....

    Thanks guys :)


  • #180
    eirator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭eirator


    mystic86 wrote: »

    I have a three.ie 3g modem (Huawei E585) and I want to connect it to TpLink TL-3220.

    Bit late to tell you this but that E585 is a MiFi device and not supported when used as a dongle with any 3G router I know of its not on the list of supported dongles for the TL-3220. Just get another dongle but check its supported first.


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  • #181
    Matt Bauer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Matt Bauer


    Get the Huawei E353 instead. It's a great modem, inexpensive, has an external antenna connector (rare for USB 3G modems) and best of all supports 21Mbps. I can confirm it works great with the TP-Link routers.


  • #182
    bijou
    Registered Users Posts: 412 ✭✭bijou


    Hi

    My trusty old E270 is starting to throw out a good bit of heat now so I think it's time to change.

    Has anybody tried or has any thoughts on the Huawei E355 currently on o2's website??

    Cheers


  • #183
    lighthouse
    Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭lighthouse


    I have read through all the posts in this thread. Just wondering what people think of the TP-Link TL-MR3420. It's in DID for €46. I have the E122 on Three.


  • #184
    NATLOR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,319 ✭✭✭NATLOR


    I use the 3220 model with vodafone, works a treat in my apartment.Got it on Amazon for around 30 euro [they have the 3420 for 40].you can check the TP link website for dongle compatibility,the set up is very easy, would recommend their products.much better then the vodafone router, had constant trouble with that.


  • #185
    eirator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭eirator


    lighthouse wrote: »
    I have read through all the posts in this thread. Just wondering what people think of the TP-Link TL-MR3420. It's in DID for €46. I have the E122 on Three.

    Set up a few of them and they are a decent modem. Just be aware that the E353 HiLink version (that 3 supply) doesn't work with this or any other 3G router for that matter. I guess Matt Bauer in the post above is refering to one of the other E353 variations. Can't remember all the dongles that I've set up on that series of 3G router but all the others have worked straight off.


  • #186
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Anyone have experience of the Dovado Doma?
    http://www.dovado.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=95&Itemid=39

    'Smart USB port' feature looks interesting as I'm getting tired of power cycling a Vodafone Echolife router.


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  • #187
    lighthouse
    Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭lighthouse


    Got the TP link 3420 router in D.I.D this morning. I bought the 32" Samsung smart TV for €560. Router was €46 and he threw in an extra CAT cable valued at €6; €580 in total. Router is up and running. So far so good.:D


  • #188
    eirator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭eirator


    lighthouse wrote: »
    Got the TP link 3420 router in D.I.D this morning. I bought the 32" Samsung smart TV for €560. Router was €46 and he threw in an extra CAT cable valued at €6; €580 in total. Router is up and running. So far so good.:D

    Just a quick point not to get hung up about but what did you set the APN as on the router?

    You can check by going to whatismyip.com and checking what your internet IP address is, if its a 92.251.255.xxx address then you might want to change the APN anything else and its on the right APN.

    Edit> Question was because some of the 3G routers set up the wrong APN by default, the WRONG APN is 3ireland.ie because its the APN for 3s phones the CORRECT APN for broadband is 3internet the difference to the user is the phone APN goes through a proxy server which has a limited range of IP address in the range I posted above.


  • #189
    lighthouse
    Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭lighthouse


    Hi my IP addresse starts with 178.xxx.xxx.xxx
    I entered isp.3ireland.ie as the APN which I had seen in another post.
    The phone number is *99#
    I presume from your post my IP is OK?


  • #190
    eirator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭eirator


    lighthouse wrote: »
    Hi my IP addresse starts with 178.xxx.xxx.xxx
    I entered isp.3ireland.ie as the APN which I had seen in another post.
    The phone number is *99#
    I presume from your post my IP is OK?

    Strange as the APN should be 3internet and your IP address is one you'd get from using that APN.

    afaik isp.3ireland.ie is not a valid APN but I think APN's are read from right to left so the isp bit is irrelevant and even if you get the APN wrong 3 still normally works.

    Thats why I said don't get hung up on it ;) its working and thats the main thing :) - don't let me confuse things:o


  • #191
    cuculainn
    Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭cuculainn


    sorry for jumping on thread, but just wanted to get peoples opinion (eirator) on this piece of kit.

    Wouldn't be paying that price but it seems to tick all the boxes for what I need. I also never heard of the company before


    Thanks for your help


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  • #192
    lighthouse
    Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭lighthouse


    cuculainn wrote: »
    sorry for jumping on thread, but just wanted to get peoples opinion (eirator) on this piece of kit.

    Wouldn't be paying that price but it seems to tick all the boxes for what I need. I also never heard of the company before


    Thanks for your help

    Don't know anything about the aerial but I just started using that router with the E122 modem. No problems so far anyway.


  • #193
    cuculainn
    Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭cuculainn


    lighthouse wrote: »
    Don't know anything about the aerial but I just started using that router with the E122 modem. No problems so far anyway.

    Notice you are round Galway. What provider do you use and what sort of speed you getting?


  • #194
    lighthouse
    Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭lighthouse


    I'm with Three. My speeds are faster than with the modem on it's own plugged into the laptop. I'm experiminting at the moment using the 2 APNs to see which is fastest.


  • #195
    eirator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭eirator


    @ cuculainn I use something very similar but in a different way :rolleyes:

    I have the router externally located in a waterproof case and the USB dongle on a 4m USB extension cable all located for the best (12% :eek:) signal I can get from 3. I then use a similar looking WiFi antenna on the WiFi side of the 3G router to get a signal back up at the house some 300m from were the router is currently located.

    I've looked at a few similar 3G antennas and price has put me off everytime. The main thing to think about for these installations with a 3G antenna is to use high quality cable kept as short as possible and good quality connectors. The shoe lace thick cables that you get on many 3G antenna an as extension cables loose more signal than you gain from a good antenna.

    Edit> to keep the antenna cable short it can be worth mounting the router in a waterproof box next to the antenna and if you can't get mains power to the antenna location then PoE is one way of doing it.

    Keep looking around and you'll find a lot more similar bits of kit at similar prices. Some good info and ideas in this recent thread Remote 3G Installation

    @lighthouse as the limiting factor is normally the speed between you and the local mast so there shouldn't be much differnce in the APNs. The difference is in the NAT they offer for gaming, 3internet should give you an internet routable IP address with the least NAT limitations and is the one that is set up by default on 3 dongles, MiFi and Routers.


  • #196
    cuculainn
    Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭cuculainn


    eirator wrote: »
    @ cuculainn I use something very similar but in a different way :rolleyes:

    I have the router externally located in a waterproof case and the USB dongle on a 4m USB extension cable all located for the best (12% :eek:) signal I can get from 3. I then use a similar looking WiFi antenna on the WiFi side of the 3G router to get a signal back up at the house some 300m from were the router is currently located.

    I've looked at a few similar 3G antennas and price has put me off everytime. The main thing to think about for these installations with a 3G antenna is to use high quality cable kept as short as possible and good quality connectors. The shoe lace thick cables that you get on many 3G antenna an as extension cables loose more signal than you gain from a good antenna.

    Edit> to keep the antenna cable short it can be worth mounting the router in a waterproof box next to the antenna and if you can't get mains power to the antenna location then PoE is one way of doing it.

    Keep looking around and you'll find a lot more similar bits of kit at similar prices. Some good info and ideas in this recent thread Remote 3G Installation

    Hi Eirator,

    Thanks for the reply. What I plan on doing is to mount the 3g antenna on a shed pointing to where I get the strongest signal, then have the router and modem on the inside of the shed. I can keep the cable between the antenna and router short (1-2 meters)

    Then use Cat5 from the router into the house where I would have another switch/router to send around house.

    My concern with the antenna above is that it has a 10 metre cable which seems long, and if I cut it short it might not be possible to make a good connection.

    I assume you think 10 metres is too long/

    Thanks for alll your help


  • #197
    eirator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭eirator


    cuculainn wrote: »
    Hi Eirator,

    Thanks for the reply. What I plan on doing is to mount the 3g antenna on a shed pointing to where I get the strongest signal, then have the router and modem on the inside of the shed. I can keep the cable between the antenna and router short (1-2 meters)

    Then use Cat5 from the router into the house where I would have another switch/router to send around house.

    My concern with the antenna above is that it has a 10 metre cable which seems long, and if I cut it short it might not be possible to make a good connection.

    I assume you think 10 metres is too long/

    Thanks for alll your help

    I'm certainly not convinced 10m is a good idea unless absolutely necessary. Cutting the cable and putting on a new connector is almost impossible unless you have the right crimping tools, but sometimes you can make any adjustment if the cable is soldered into the antenna and of course if you can open it up easily. You could look for an antenna that has a connector mounted directly on it so you buy your own cable.

    In your location I'd say get a router and a suitable dongle that takes an antenna and try the whole thing out with the dongle on the side of the shed in a plastic bag on a USB extension cable. If thats not great then move onto an antenna. I did a quick look on ebay and came up with this cheapy http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230845887385 note the short cable and I'd try one like that with the router inside the shed, a 4m USB extension cable, a water proof cheap "Hansel" type box for the dongle mounted on the back of or near the antenna. btw I'm not saying that link is for a great antenna just an example and from checking the listing I don't think you get any mounting hardware.


  • #198
    Batesy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭Batesy


    Hi,

    I'm looking in to purchasing a 3g router and am looking for some advise from people who know what they're talking about. I've narrowed it down to 2 routers but the difference in cost is quite big.

    The TP-Link mobile Broadband TL-MR3420 @ €40

    or

    Dovado 4GR @ €147

    I've read good things about Dovado but what I want to know is it really worth the extra coinage for that particular router?

    I'd be using a huawei e3131 on o2


  • #199
    -=al=-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭-=al=-


    not worth the extra imo tp link one will do a fine job

    you can run a simple command to ping a site on your comp to keep the connection always on never ued the dovado but dont see it worth the extra myself!


  • #200
    eirator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭eirator


    Batesy wrote: »
    Hi,

    I'm looking in to purchasing a 3g router and am looking for some advise from people who know what they're talking about. I've narrowed it down to 2 routers but the difference in cost is quite big.

    The TP-Link mobile Broadband TL-MR3420 @ €40

    or

    Dovado 4GR @ €147

    I've read good things about Dovado but what I want to know is it really worth the extra coinage for that particular router?

    I'd be using a huawei e3131 on o2

    I'd also not be spending any extra on the Dovado 4GR nothing wrong with TP-Link stuff, btw try Amazon.co.uk it might even be cheaper with free delivery.

    Let us know how you get on with that dongle as I haven't used many of the newer ones yet.

    Only advantage I can think of with the Dovado is I think it has a feature where you can power cycle the dongle plugged into it which is a big plus on remote installs where you can't easily get to the power but if its on a desk on windowsill near by thats no big deal.


  • #201
    Amalgam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    eirator wrote: »

    Only advantage I can think of with the Dovado is I think it has a feature where you can power cycle the dongle plugged into it which is a big plus on remote installs where you can't easily get to the power but if its on a desk on windowsill near by thats no big deal.

    Caution: Only the Dovado Tiny can do a proper power cycle, *not the 4GR*, or rather, a power cycle of the modem, without switching the router on and off again. The Dovado 4GR needs to be switched off and on again physically (which, I guess, is why they provide an on/off switch box on the power supply cable) .. and even then, you may have issues where you have to plug\unplug\replug the modem from the router. Annoying.

    A quick YouTube link to clarify.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8-1Ka5Fam4


    Just to add, there's nothing wrong with the TP-Link products, what you're paying for with the Dovado, is second to none ongoing emerging 3G Modem firmware support. The 4GR and newer support more or less *everything* out there. LTE 4G etc..


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