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[Diabetes] General Chat and Support Thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    i am going to try slimfast, just a couple of meal replacements during the week and see how it goes. Might go all out at some stage. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭_AVALANCHE_


    Who sells Optifast in Ireland?
    i am going to try slimfast, just a couple of meal replacements during the week and see how it goes. Might go all out at some stage. :)
    It doesn't have to be Optifast, that's just what the study used. You can get it through ebay (I think that's the only place you'll get them) but slimfast is fine, that's what Aunt is using, slightly more calories in Slimfast shake if you follow directions on the Tub. No harm in that to be honest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭5live


    dbtyp1 wrote: »
    In the true spirit of internet one-upmanship.......... was feeling a bit off for a day or two and ended up in the ER. Passed out - came around with that distinct feeling of being surrounded by muppets.

    "This is diabetes" says i
    "Oh noes " , " you are too thin for that" says the doctor
    muppet alert
    "This is diabetes" says i
    "What are you basing it on"
    "Cant see properly , am dying , pls check my blood , "
    "I did,its ok " said the doc
    "I'll check it myself" said the nurse
    "Its 98"
    more or less meaningless to me at the time.... might have well been 45 squirrells over 9 badgers
    shed load of insulin and top care by the girls of ICU and back in action

    tl;dr ; cept for sharp nurse wouldn't be here
    lol:D:D. Been a while since i had a bad hypo but that sums it up for me. Thanks:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 dbtyp1


    Yip, DKA - not a recommended method of proving you have diabetes


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    Just out of interest, checked my bloods before dinner this evening 5.2 (7.4 at lunchtime before a slimfast shake) (dinner was chicken wrapped in bacon, pepper sauce and potatoes), then checked two hours later 8.3 then after 3 hours 4.8/5.1 (checked twice)
    Question, are these good or are they fluctuating too much (4.8/5.1 are my lowest so far)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭_AVALANCHE_


    Just out of interest, checked my bloods before dinner this evening 5.2 (7.4 at lunchtime before a slimfast shake) (dinner was chicken wrapped in bacon, pepper sauce and potatoes), then checked two hours later 8.3 then after 3 hours 4.8/5.1 (checked twice)
    Question, are these good or are they fluctuating too much (4.8/5.1 are my lowest so far)
    You'll have that drop off between the second and third hour after eating as your body finishes up dealing with the Carbs/sugar/starch.

    They are good levels, your're only borderline type 2 I'd say.
    (7.4 at lunchtime before a slimfast shake)
    You must have only just finished breakfast.:p


    just noticed this...
    One positive note, I got my eyes tested as I was having issue reading books for the last couple of months, specsavers said my eyes were ok, but that i needed reading glasses, which i got and it helped me a lot as I work with computers everyday, But in the last week or so, I have noticed what I think is an improvement in my eyesight, and I dont use the glasses as much or feel the need to use them as much anymore Could this be down to an improvement in my blood sugars?

    As blood sugars go up or down in diabetes, vision can change. Less glucose in the blood, blood is thinner-->better circulation.

    Install this http://stereopsis.com/flux/ on your computer (everyone should) you won't notice it during the day but it's a godsend if using computer at night.

    It'll automatically bring down the brightness of your screen (works for tvs aswell). No more rubbing sore eyes. Takes just a minute to install and can be turned off in a sec by right clicking the icon down in the bottom corner of your screen.

    Good exercise for eyes is...
    Stand beside a window and look at something (abit away) outside, then look at the actual window glass, then look back at whatever you were looking at outside.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    Just out of interest, checked my bloods before dinner this evening 5.2 (7.4 at lunchtime before a slimfast shake) (dinner was chicken wrapped in bacon, pepper sauce and potatoes), then checked two hours later 8.3 then after 3 hours 4.8/5.1 (checked twice)
    Question, are these good or are they fluctuating too much (4.8/5.1 are my lowest so far)

    8.3 two hours after a meal is great - those levels are very good, I'd be delighted with them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    tbh wrote: »
    8.3 two hours after a meal is great - those levels are very good, I'd be delighted with them.

    Thanks for the reply.

    Sorry for asking so many questions, seeing as getting medical advice is 2 years away :)

    Today checked bloods around 10am and got 12.7, which was nuts considering I had done nothing out of the ordinary. Tested again and got 5.7. Question, If you delay turning on the tester and getting blood onto the strip, or have trouble with the strip, can it give false readings. I had the same issue in the afternoon, delayed the blood onto the strip, then it read 2.5 !!! I knew I was fine, checked again and was 6.3 or something
    I suppose my only thought is, the +/-7% how real is that?

    Also as I was told there was a waiting list for two years in the Waterford clinic, I did not do anymore on this. What way do you apply to go on the waiting list?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭graflynn


    Thanks for the reply.

    Sorry for asking so many questions, seeing as getting medical advice is 2 years away :)

    Today checked bloods around 10am and got 12.7, which was nuts considering I had done nothing out of the ordinary. Tested again and got 5.7. Question, If you delay turning on the tester and getting blood onto the strip, or have trouble with the strip, can it give false readings. I had the same issue in the afternoon, delayed the blood onto the strip, then it read 2.5 !!! I knew I was fine, checked again and was 6.3 or something
    I suppose my only thought is, the +/-7% how real is that?

    Also as I was told there was a waiting list for two years in the Waterford clinic, I did not do anymore on this. What way do you apply to go on the waiting list?

    It sounds like you have a very dodgy meter. If there is a 1800 telephone number on it you can call up customer service and they will send you a new one free of charge.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    I will keep an eye on the meter for a few days, if the results vary too much I will give them a call.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Remember to milk your fingers, get rid of the first drop, don't take from the very tip of the finger, might make a difference, use alcohol wipes first as well.

    Sounds like alot and to be honest i don't do half of those things anymore but they are all meant to improve the accuracy.

    Meters can vary quite a bit but so can your sugars, so the +/- 7% is a very conservative view, I'd be more of the opinion(not fact) of 1 or 2mmol/L variance on your actual levels.


  • Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭teacosy


    Thanks for the reply.

    Sorry for asking so many questions, seeing as getting medical advice is 2 years away :)

    Today checked bloods around 10am and got 12.7, which was nuts considering I had done nothing out of the ordinary. Tested again and got 5.7. Question, If you delay turning on the tester and getting blood onto the strip, or have trouble with the strip, can it give false readings. I had the same issue in the afternoon, delayed the blood onto the strip, then it read 2.5 !!! I knew I was fine, checked again and was 6.3 or something
    I suppose my only thought is, the +/-7% how real is that?

    Also as I was told there was a waiting list for two years in the Waterford clinic, I did not do anymore on this. What way do you apply to go on the waiting list?

    You should contact your local Health Promotion Service and get yourself a place on their next Structure Patient Education Course (Xpert). This is a free 6 week course that should bring you well up to speed on looking after yourself and your diabetes.
    http://www.indi.ie/docs/1479_X-PERT_Flyer_for_Pt_recruitment.pdf


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    Nice one Teacosy, Thanks :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭_AVALANCHE_


    teacosy wrote: »
    You should contact your local Health Promotion Service and get yourself a place on their next Structure Patient Education Course (Xpert). This is a free 6 week course that should bring you well up to speed on looking after yourself and your diabetes.
    http://www.indi.ie/docs/1479_X-PERT_Flyer_for_Pt_recruitment.pdf
    They'll just tell you they don't have enough people to run a course at the minute and they'll get back to you when they do.

    Of course you'll hear nothing and have to ring them again, where they will feed you the same bullshit....6 months later.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭PopTarts


    This might be a stupid question. :)

    How easy is it to be tested for diabetes?

    Recently I've been having that tingling / numbness in my toes. I know this is a symptom.

    Could this be just from a general overload of sugar in my system?

    I was tested a year ago and there was no concerns but in the last 3 months my diet has been sh*t and has involved a load of sugar (I'm cutting down now).

    Can diabetes develop in a number of months?

    I know I need to go to Dr to be tested but just a tad worried :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    PopTarts wrote: »
    This might be a stupid question. :)

    How easy is it to be tested for diabetes?

    Recently I've been having that tingling / numbness in my toes. I know this is a symptom.

    Could this be just from a general overload of sugar in my system?

    I was tested a year ago and there was no concerns but in the last 3 months my diet has been sh*t and has involved a load of sugar (I'm cutting down now).

    Can diabetes develop in a number of months?

    I know I need to go to Dr to be tested but just a tad worried :)

    it's very easy. It takes literally 10 seconds. It can develop in a number of months. Your tingling could be any number of things, and you should definitely follow up with your doctor, but I've never heard of a case where tinging and numbness was the only symptom - generally a huge thirst and constant peeing are the tell-tale signs. If you don't have those, the tingling could be a warning sign that you could get diabetes if you don't sort yourself out (I assume we're talking type 2 here - are you overweight?)

    Listen, there's no point in putting off going to your doctor because you're worried. I understand the logic behind that, believe me, but the doc is there to help. If you *do* have diabetes, you need to start treatment asap. If not, you need to stop worrying :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭gerrybbadd


    PopTarts wrote: »
    This might be a stupid question. :)

    How easy is it to be tested for diabetes?

    Recently I've been having that tingling / numbness in my toes. I know this is a symptom.

    Could this be just from a general overload of sugar in my system?

    I was tested a year ago and there was no concerns but in the last 3 months my diet has been sh*t and has involved a load of sugar (I'm cutting down now).

    Can diabetes develop in a number of months?

    I know I need to go to Dr to be tested but just a tad worried :)

    One of the things about Type 1 Diabetes is that it can come on very quickly, like a matter of weeks. Generally, the doctor will do a blood test initially, and if the blood glucose levels are high(should be a fasting test) you'd be referred in for more tests then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭gerrybbadd


    Hypos suck! I'm currently at 2.8mmol, shaking like a leaf, dizzy, and stuffing jolly ranchers and Hershey's kisses into me.:):eek::(:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,458 ✭✭✭CathyMoran


    gerrybbadd wrote: »
    Hypos suck! I'm currently at 2.8mmol, shaking like a leaf, dizzy, and stuffing jolly ranchers and Hershey's kisses into me.:):eek::(:o
    2.8 - I was 1.7 earlier:P! I find toffee is better for lows, higher GI.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    my bloods all over the place this week, had a cold, nearly gone now, so hopefully back to normal after weekend. They were highish last Saturday and went to a family do and said fe ck it, and eat desert at the meal, which I have not done in a long time, took an extra tablet to combat :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭ElBarco


    Have had a nice evening with a curry and a couple of drinks. Once again reminded what a pain in the arse it is trying to work out an accurate dose of a potentially fatal drug when slightly inebriated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,458 ✭✭✭CathyMoran


    I can relate - I tend to eat safer in the evening and eat what I want within reason at lunch.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭5live


    Nothing to say really, just didnt want the thread going to page 3 because i might forget where to find it:P


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Bumping, tut tut, now what did i come hear to say again ;)

    Losing my good control lately (well the last week) so tired from work that I can't tell when my bloods are high or low, feel horrific. Started when I dislocated my patella last week and haven't had any excercise sine.

    Hopefully back out on the bike tomorrow to get going again, put on half a stone in a week, not good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,458 ✭✭✭CathyMoran


    Hope that you feel better soon!

    Easter coming up - looking forward to chocolate overload.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    My numbers have been particularly messed up in the mornings recently with numbers in the mid teens...except for today when I got a reading of 6.4 on getting out of bed. Wish I knew what was going on different. :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,458 ✭✭✭CathyMoran


    Have you ruled out the usual suspects (temperature of your insulin/stress/illness?) Otherwise just keep a close eye?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭graflynn


    Here's an update from http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=20535 on the free GP care for people on long term illness.

    Sounds like it's held up by buerocracy (I didn't spell that right-did I?). Sometimes I think this country is all about "the gimme's". :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭gerrybbadd


    robinph wrote: »
    My numbers have been particularly messed up in the mornings recently with numbers in the mid teens...except for today when I got a reading of 6.4 on getting out of bed. Wish I knew what was going on different. :confused:
    Could the hour going forward, good weather combo be throwing you out? My readings are all elevated this week too


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭5live


    gerrybbadd wrote: »
    Could the hour going forward, good weather combo be throwing you out? My readings are all elevated this week too
    Phew. Thought it was just me:o. My routine is pretty much the same as last week when i could barely raise above 6 and now struggle to get it below 6:mad:


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Thought it may have been down to me only just getting properly back into training regularly again so my activity levels properly matching my pump settings...but then this morning was another 13. :(

    More overnight basal testing needed by the looks of it, the daytime numbers are all pretty much right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭Meauldsegosha


    I've had three hypos this week, I'm putting it down to the weather. Temperature can have an effect on insulin sensitivity


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    CathyMoran wrote: »
    Hope that you feel better soon!

    Easter coming up - looking forward to chocolate overload.

    Got out on the bike last night, knee is a bit sore/stiff but spins fine.

    Hypo'd this morning in the middle of a lecture, first time and not pleasant. I did get to use it to show them less obvious symptoms of hypoglycaemia eg confusion, tiredness, paleness, lack of focus, sweating.

    To which one student shouted up "so no change there then" :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    I've had three hypos this week, I'm putting it down to the weather. Temperature can have an effect on insulin sensitivity

    Me too!!! Everyone else is basking in the sun and I'm shivering with the cold like its the bloody Artic.
    Relief to know its not just me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Got out on the bike last night, knee is a bit sore/stiff but spins fine.

    Hypo'd this morning in the middle of a lecture, first time and not pleasant. I did get to use it to show them less obvious symptoms of hypoglycaemia eg confusion, tiredness, paleness, lack of focus, sweating.

    To which one student shouted up "so no change there then" :eek:

    I have nightmares about this happening . One minute it's all discoursing knowledgeably on the Reformation next it's me speaking gibberish, sweating, squinting at the screen and generally staggering around the place in front of 300 or so students. :eek:


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I have nightmares about this happening . One minute it's all discoursing knowledgeably on the Reformation next it's me speaking gibberish, sweating, squinting at the screen and generally staggering around the place in front of 300 or so students. :eek:

    Good test to see whos paying attention :p

    Back in my undergrad days I remember a guy from the year below me running upto me on an introduction day, grabbing me and dragging me into a hall where a lecturer was siezing. He had seen an insulin pen and realised what was happening. Sent him running to the pharmacy to get a glucagon injection under my name and explain I needed it. Nurses came over but didn't know what to do, and started to give out that I had no clue what I was at. Head of Department came in and warned me about doing anything as I could be in alot of trouble. Told him I didn't really care in less polite tones. Got a small bit of lucozade into him when he had periods of apparent lucidness, bloods came back up, and then he sat up and told me that he was trying to tell me that there was a glucagon shot in his bag (I heard none of it).

    It was awesome (for me, felt like a doctor/paramedic out of E.R., not for him).


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Difficult to answer survey question to fill in this morning, was to do with sports research. Can't quite remember the exact wording...but anyway:

    "Do you have any disabilities that effect you doing stuff?
    No
    Yes a little
    Yes a lot

    If yes what type of disability?
    a)physical
    b)something
    c)illness such as asthma, diabetes, etc, etc
    d)something"

    It did actually let me select both the "No" option as well as the type of disability option. I expect they will think I'm an idiot and cannot fill in forms correctly though in their anaysis of the results.

    I can't sensibly fill in something claiming that I have a disability though, I don't count the mere fact of needing drugs to stay alive as disabling me from doing anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭gerrybbadd


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    CramCycle wrote: »
    Got out on the bike last night, knee is a bit sore/stiff but spins fine.

    Hypo'd this morning in the middle of a lecture, first time and not pleasant. I did get to use it to show them less obvious symptoms of hypoglycaemia eg confusion, tiredness, paleness, lack of focus, sweating.

    To which one student shouted up "so no change there then" :eek:

    I have nightmares about this happening . One minute it's all discoursing knowledgeably on the Reformation next it's me speaking gibberish, sweating, squinting at the screen and generally staggering around the place in front of 300 or so students. :eek:
    I hypoed one day at work - working the public office front desk... I was talking some gibberish for a while, before I realised I was talking crap!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,458 ✭✭✭CathyMoran


    My husband is the first aider where we work, thankfully...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    CathyMoran wrote: »
    My husband is the first aider where we work, thankfully...

    I'm the first aider in my little group of offices....:eek:

    Thankfully, all the people who share my little building are disgustingly healthy and, being kind folk, drop into my office periodically with offerings of fruit juice - just in case. I have a lot of fruit juice...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    robinph wrote: »
    Difficult to answer survey question to fill in this morning, was to do with sports research. Can't quite remember the exact wording...but anyway:

    "Do you have any disabilities that effect you doing stuff?
    No
    Yes a little
    Yes a lot

    If yes what type of disability?
    a)physical
    b)something
    c)illness such as asthma, diabetes, etc, etc
    d)something"

    It did actually let me select both the "No" option as well as the type of disability option. I expect they will think I'm an idiot and cannot fill in forms correctly though in their anaysis of the results.

    I can't sensibly fill in something claiming that I have a disability though, I don't count the mere fact of needing drugs to stay alive as disabling me from doing anything.

    recent online job application for a...certain company...let's just say their standards are sky-high ;) asked: Do you have a disability? (select): diabetes top of the list. Didn't complete the job app out of principle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    Well my insulin pump broke yesterday morning! And to make matters worse its out of warranty. Minimed are sending me a temporary pump to do me over for 3 months, bit after that I don't know what's going to happen. I've been on to my diabetic consultant so I'll just have to see what happens really.
    This is my second pump that went belly up. I'm actually using my old one that's a bit dodgey at the minute. Here's hoping it holds up!


    Should have my new pump in a 2 weeks or so. At long last!

    Only got it by going directly to the HSE myself. After 8 months of nothing from Vincents private. I insisted they give me a number for someone in the HSE who deals with it. Got talking to the Appliance officer. Explained the situation, he said sorry and that i'd have a new pump in 2 weeks...no joke, no word of a lie. All it took was a 2 minute phone call to the right person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭calfmuscle


    tbh wrote: »
    recent online job application for a...certain company...let's just say their standards are sky-high ;) asked: Do you have a disability? (select): diabetes top of the list. Didn't complete the job app out of principle.

    Hi guys, Im a type one for 16 years now and this surprised me! I would have thought asking about disability's on application forms was illegal???

    Although to be fair, I think diabetes is a disability obviously it wont stop us from living normal lives but we do have special needs and its a bonus when employers appreciate this.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Was running a half marathon today. I caught up with some guy relatively near the end and passed the time of day* for the little while we were running next to each other, he was starting to struggle a bit so I then pulled away from him on the next incline. As I was pulling away he shouted at me asking "Is that an insulin pump!?!?!" as he'd spotted it on my waist band. My confirmation resulted in an explanation something along the lines of "@%@ing hell, great running".

    I think he must work in the a medical profession, or is related to a diabetic. It was an unusual shout of encouragement, but it certainly helped me today. :D



    * It's mostly just grunts and unintelligible words at that stage of a race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Griffin87


    Hi Guys

    Im just looking for abit of help clarifying what i am entitled to as Type 1 diabetic with a LTI book.

    In the last budget it was announced that long term illness sufferers where to be given free GP visits.

    How exactly do i apply for this ?

    I have HSE MC1 Medical Card form here but i dont see anywhere where i can state that i have LTI. Also will i have to fill out my incomes and expenses.

    Thanks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭Meauldsegosha


    Griffin87 wrote: »
    Hi Guys

    Im just looking for abit of help clarifying what i am entitled to as Type 1 diabetic with a LTI book.

    In the last budget it was announced that long term illness sufferers where to be given free GP visits.

    How exactly do i apply for this ?

    I have HSE MC1 Medical Card form here but i dont see anywhere where i can state that i have LTI. Also will i have to fill out my incomes and expenses.

    Thanks


    It was announced in the budget but there has been nothing further on it since. Legislation would be required to expand the scheme and AFAIK it is not on the legislation calendar yet. It seems the Minister wil face opposition from the IMO also http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=20535


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    Griffin87 wrote: »
    Hi Guys

    Im just looking for abit of help clarifying what i am entitled to as Type 1 diabetic with a LTI book.

    In the last budget it was announced that long term illness sufferers where to be given free GP visits.

    How exactly do i apply for this ?

    I have HSE MC1 Medical Card form here but i dont see anywhere where i can state that i have LTI. Also will i have to fill out my incomes and expenses.

    Thanks


    it hasn't been rolled out yet, probably not until next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Griffin87


    ok thank you for clearing that up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭BlackEdelweiss


    5 o clock in the morning, lying in bed, wide awake just after eating a ham sandwich, 3 weetabix, 2 cereal bars and a good mouthfull of lucozade. 2nd night time hypo in 2 weeks, they are crap and for some reason I always go mental on food when I have one. My bloods will be sky high tomorrow after all that crap and I'm just waiting for the headache to start now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    a ham sandwich, 3 weetabix, 2 cereal bars and a good mouthfull of lucozade.

    yup..sounds about right :) I might occasionally throw in the odd tea-spoon of sugar, or a glug of honey straight from the jar.

    Hope the headache wasn't too bad :(


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