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Time to boycott Isaraeli products

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    #182
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    Did the Israeli military personnel that fired the shells that landed on the beach have real time visual on the beach and the children to the point where they were able to change the coordinates to directly target and hit the children?


    Yep, it looks that way. Hence the second shell being adjusted to hit the kids. How could they have done that if they had no line of sight?


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    #183
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    wes wrote: »
    More likely you didn't actually search for anything or even looked at the link I posted.



    I made my point in plain English already. Your inability to understand simple English is your problem and not mine, that or your being deliberately obtuse, looking to get a rise out of me, as you have repeatedly taken that tact with other posters several times already.

    Why is it that you ignore something that has already been plainly communicated to you?

    Not seeing any parallel between your theory and what is happening in Palestine. Perhaps you got the wrong end of the stick?


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    #184
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Well sorry if I continue with my Israel as US state theory, but Obama will just give them more cash to make up any shortfall. I don't believe it's possible to hurt Israel economically because of this fact. It's all a matter of how much Israel's sponsor, the USA is willing to put up with.


    And again, there was a time when the US defended apartheid South Africa, complete with the use of vetoes at the UN.


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    #185
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    Did the Israeli military personnel that fired the shells that landed on the beach have real time visual on the beach and the children to the point where they were able to change the coordinates to directly target and hit the children?
    So you're adamant that the IDF don't have a clue what they're firing artillery at?

    OK, I'll agree with you then I guess.


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    #186
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    Not seeing any parallel between your theory and what is happening in Palestine. Perhaps you got the wrong end of the stick?

    Wait, so you were being obtuse, and are now doubling down it.


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    #187
    wexie
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    Nodin wrote: »
    That's what they said in the beginning of the SA campaign.

    Yeah but you'd have to agree that SA didn't have quite the same amount of strategic assets as Israel does. Consumers can stop buying gold, diamonds and South African wine but consumers generally haven't a clue what a Checkpoint firewall is or where it would be used. Same goes for semiconductors etc. etc.
    And with regards to Israeli weapons I think we can pretty safely assume that the people buying them aren't going to be overly concerned with the fate of the people of Palestine.

    In short, I don't really think they're comparable situations.


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    #188
    Dan_Solo
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    Nodin wrote: »
    And again, there was a time when the US defended apartheid South Africa, complete with the use of vetoes at the UN.
    I'm not saying pressure can't be applied at all, but in the absence of a boycott of the USA, a boycott of Israel is pointless. SA isn't even close to the strategic and cultural importance to the US that Israel is.

    Edit: wexie, snap.


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    #189
    Nodin
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    wexie wrote: »
    Yeah but you'd have to agree that SA didn't have quite the same amount of strategic assets as Israel does. Consumers can stop buying gold, diamonds and South African wine but consumers generally haven't a clue what a Checkpoint firewall is or where it would be used. Same goes for semiconductors etc. etc.
    And with regards to Israeli weapons I think we can pretty safely assume that the people buying them aren't going to be overly concerned with the fate of the people of Palestine.

    In short, I don't really think they're comparable situations.


    You're entitled to your view. However I differ.


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    #190
    Shakespeare's Sister
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    mightywarrior wrote: »
    This literally makes me ashamed to be Irish.
    Being "ashamed to be Irish" is silly enough, this particular reason though, even sillier.

    Yes, Israel is entitled to defend itself - proportionately. And others are entitled to defend themselves back.


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    #191
    Arthur Beesley
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Yep, it looks that way. Hence the second shell being adjusted to hit the kids. How could they have done that if they had no line of sight?

    So this is pure speculation. Thanks for confirming.


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    #192
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I'm not saying pressure can't be applied at all, but in the absence of a boycott of the USA, a boycott of Israel is pointless. SA isn't even close to the strategic and cultural importance to the US that Israel is.

    Edit: wexie, snap.

    Again, I think it's possible - not a certianity by any means - but certainly worth trying. The alternative is to do nothing.


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    #193
    Arthur Beesley
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    wes wrote: »
    Wait, so you were being obtuse, and are now doubling down it.

    Still have no idea what you are spouting about.


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    #194
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    So this is pure speculation. Thanks for confirming.

    How do you adjust to hit a target if you don't have it in sight?


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    #195
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    So you're adamant that the IDF don't have a clue what they're firing artillery at?

    OK, I'll agree with you then I guess.

    Adamant? Clutching at straws there Mr. Solo.


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    #196
    Nodin
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    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    Adamant? Clutching at straws there Mr. Solo.


    How do you adjust to hit a target if you don't have it in sight?


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    #197
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    Adamant? Clutching at straws there Mr. Solo.
    Another all encompassing rebuttal. No, your post is crap.
    Do the IDF know what they're firing at or not?


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    #198
    Arthur Beesley
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    Nodin wrote: »
    How do you adjust to hit a target if you don't have it in sight?

    How do you know that they did? Again more speculation. Common sense says they don't send multiple shells to the exact same point. They just happened to switch to a point where the children were unfortunately present at that point in time.

    Claiming they were specifically targeted because they were children is disingenuous.


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    #199
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    Still have no idea what you are spouting about.
    Hmmm, there's 3 or 4 different posters here now and you appear to be utterly flummoxed by everything they post.
    Maybe, ya know, it isn't them?


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    #200
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Another all encompassing rebuttal. No, your post is crap.
    Do the IDF know what they're firing at or not?

    I suggest you read up on artillery. You are clearly clueless.


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    #201
    wexie
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    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    How do you know that they did? Again more speculation. Common sense says they don't send multiple shells to the exact same point. They just happened to switch to a point where the children were unfortunately present at that point in time.

    Claiming they were specifically targeted because they were children is disingenuous.

    Also I think most of us here would have to agree it'd be somewhat counter productive, very few things are likely to get people as worked up as kids being harmed. I'm be pretty sure the IDF are well aware of this.


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    #202
    Nodin
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    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    How do you know that they did? Again more speculation. Common sense says they don't send multiple shells to the exact same point. They just happened to switch to a point where the children were unfortunately present at that point in time.

    Claiming they were specifically targeted because they were children is disingenuous.

    They fired two shells, from a ship offshore.


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    #203
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Hmmm, there's 3 or 4 different posters here now and you appear to be utterly flummoxed by everything they post.
    Maybe, ya know, it isn't them?

    You could be onto something Hans.


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    #204
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    I suggest you read up on artillery. You are clearly clueless.
    Says the guy who got about four letters into the alphabet before giving up judging by his reading comprehension skills.


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    #205
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Nodin wrote: »
    They fired two shells, from a ship offshore.

    Only 2 shells? No more?


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    #206
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Says the guy who got about four letters into the alphabet before giving up judging by his reading comprehension skills.

    Would you ever go away. You are like one of those annoying Jack Russels that never shuts up.


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    #207
    Nodin
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    wexie wrote: »
    Also I think most of us here would have to agree it'd be somewhat counter productive, very few things are likely to get people as worked up as kids being harmed. I'm be pretty sure the IDF are well aware of this.

    You'd think that, but it doesn't seem to be the case.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/oct/06/israel

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12822493

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7269154.stm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6712485.stm

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2002/11/...in-s-children/


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    #208
    Nodin
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    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    Only 2 shells? No more?


    People ran onto the beach to help the children after the second shell.


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    #209
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    Would you ever go away. You are like one of those annoying Jack Russels that never shuts up.
    Or what? You'll get the IDF after me? Are they planning settlements in Ireland now too?


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    #210
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Or what? You'll get the IDF after me? Are they planning settlements in Ireland now too?

    Bed time for someone - tell mommy to hold off on the cocoa tonight. We don't want you wetting the bed again.


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    #211
    triskell
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    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    Does this mean we should buy Palestinian products?

    What do they make?
    Rockets:D


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