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Iona vs Panti

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  • #1712
    The Black Oil
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,207 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    robindch wrote: »
    Matt Frei interviews Panti. BTW, what the hell is Matt Frei doing on Channel 4?

    He left the BBC a few years back. I still miss the Americana podcast.

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



  • #1713
    AerynSun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    vitani wrote: »
    David Norris is a legend. 'Can I use the word fat or will you have to give the pigeons €85k?'

    Bf51QqPIUAAk_qn.png


  • #1714
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I am also addicted to PantiGate :D

    It is kinda addictable isn't it? so many unexpected twists and turns and when you think it's about to die.....it resurfaces.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1715
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    mango salsa wrote: »
    It is kinda addictable isn't it? so many unexpected twists and turns and when you think it's about to die.....it resurfaces.

    Much moans in the Journal about the story that will not lie down and die.

    As someone else pointed out - if the general public are sick of 'the gheys whinging' the solution is their vote.

    Otherwise they are going to have to put up with us complaining for years.

    I think there could be a political slogan in that...

    'Want The Gheys to shut up? Vote yes to Marriage Equality.' :D


  • #1716
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,276 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Jerry Buttimer speak's to the media.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/jerry-buttimeri-spoke-out-for-those-with-no-voice-258086.html


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  • #1717
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Jerry Buttimer speak's to the media.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/jerry-buttimeri-spoke-out-for-those-with-no-voice-258086.html
    When RTÉ edits its broadcasts and apologises based on advice “that the legal position was far from clear” — that is quoting from a letter I received this week from the head of broadcast compliance — it acts to undermine its public service remit.

    Oh Brown Bomber - 'legal position was far from clear'...not as cut and dried as you have been insisting....


  • #1718
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    pauldla wrote: »
    Sorry to go off topic, but did you see the clip of Jimmy Somerville and a busker doing Smalltown Boy? :)
    I once dirty danced with Jimmy. We were both Veh drunk (and young...oh so very young...) at the time.
    Read that as Jimmy Saville. Glad I did a second take.


  • #1719
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    robindch wrote: »
    Read that as Jimmy Saville. Glad I did a second take.

    ICK!!


  • #1720
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Noble Call speech now available with Japanese subtitles.


  • #1721
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Not sure if will work without s swedish IP, but it might. I know it's off-topic but there are lot of what I assume are gay people here so someone might enjoy it . It's Sweden's gay gala, livestream.

    http://www.tv4play.se/program/singelprogram-n%C3%B6je?video_id=2544857


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  • #1722
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Oh Brown Bomber - 'legal position was far from clear'...not as cut and dried as you have been insisting....
    Actually, it is.

    Based on the RTE memo-cum-press release I have never denied that the legal experts consulted within and by RTE ever said it was clear. What I said is that both sets of legal experts said that any attempts at proving before a jury that Iona and Waters were homophobic were likely to fail.

    Something I'd hasten to add this politicking politician didn't mention and therefore given the context, lied by omission, unfortunately.


  • #1723
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    Someone needs to give RTE a lesson in Google if they couldn't find John Waters saying anything homophobic in the course of a two day search.
    You do know difference between being homophobic and saying something homophobic?


  • #1724
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I imagine if he had he would have told us.
    He's a Christian right? Didn't Jesus say something like don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing when it comes to charitable works?


  • #1725
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Much moans in the Journal about the story that will not lie down and die.

    As someone else pointed out - if the general public are sick of 'the gheys whinging' the solution is their vote.

    Otherwise they are going to have to put up with us complaining for years.

    I think there could be a political slogan in that...

    'Want The Gheys to shut up? Vote yes to Marriage Equality.' :D

    Rory is on RTE Radio 1 in the morning

    https://twitter.com/MiriamOCal/status/432142634162073600

    And theres an online movement to suggest Panti for Grand Marshall of St Patricks day parade

    https://www.facebook.com/events/227609917426195/

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1726
    jjpep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 652 ✭✭✭jjpep


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    You do know difference between being homophobic and saying something homophobic?

    Actually I don't, could you explain?


  • #1727
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    You do know difference between being homophobic and saying something homophobic?

    His homophobic views which he outlined are part of his foundation for discriminating against gay people. Believing in a gay conspiracy to destroy the fabric of society is being homophobic. You seem to be struggling with the very concept of homophobia tbh.


  • #1728
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    jjpep wrote: »
    Actually I don't, could you explain?

    It's the same for "homophobia" as anything else.
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    1. 1.
      existence.
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      antonyms:non-existence

      • being alive; living.
        "holism promotes a unified way of being"




    2. 2.
      the nature or essence of a person.
      "sometimes one aspect of our being has been developed at the expense of the others"





    3. 3.
      a real or imaginary living creature



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    1.
    utter words so as to convey information, an opinion, a feeling or intention, or an instruction.


  • #1729
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    His homophobic views which he outlined are part out of his foundation to discriminate against gay people. Believing in a gay conspiracy to destroy the fabric of society is being homophobic. You seem to be struggling with the very concept of homophobia tbh.
    Are all members of the "gay lobby" gay? Are all gay people members of the "gay lobby"?

    Or is this going to be like your smoking gun "proof" of Iona's "homophobia" where it's not what they actually said but it's what you insist they said based on your reading between the lines.

    How can you honestly expect this to stand up in court?


  • #1730
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Are all members of the "gay lobby" gay?

    I'm not a member, it's raining outside and I just came in while waiting for a taxi.

    But the décor is fabulous!


  • #1731
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    I'm not a member, it's raining outside and I just came in while waiting for a taxi.

    But the décor is fabulous!

    I'm not sure why the existence of organised political lobby groups centred on advancing the special interests of gay people is so comical.


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  • #1732
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Are all members of the "gay lobby" gay? Are all gay people members of the "gay lobby"?

    Or is this going to be like your smoking gun "proof" of Iona's "homophobia" where it's not what they actually said but it's what you insist they said based on your reading between the lines.

    How can you honestly expect this to stand up in court?

    Attaching the word lobby to it, does not make it not homophobic. He stated that they have no desire to marry,this implies that no gay person wishes to marry btw. But this isn't all he says.
    “I predict that in fifty, sixty, seventy years, these ideas will have brought disaster in this society and others. Unfortunately, when you speak against them, you are deemed to be a reactionary. They have set this discussion up with these terms, right-wing, conservative, reactionary, these meaningless terms, which never-the-less function as battering rams to defeat any attempt to put forward a reasonable argument.”
    ....
    “There’s this inexorable campaign by people who really have no particular stake in it other than they want to destroy what exists… they want to walk into the big-top with a chainsaw and they want to say ‘that pole in the middle is in the way, we’re going to cut it’ and they start cutting it, and that’s what they’re doing…"

    This is what gay people marrying will lead to,damnation for society. If a person said that about Muslims,you would be raging. You would accuse them of Islamophobia and rightfully so. But because you dislike this forum,you must exercise superiority on the subject by repeatedly saying not homophobic....

    Oh and demanding right to fire a person because of their sexuality is homophobic. Section 37 is an exception to equality legislation that allows for discrimination based on ethos. Any gay person could legitimately be fired under it if working in a RCC School which most are. Iona do campaign to retain this right to discriminate. You never really bothered addressing the earlier post that you referenced btw.

    Relying on studies that are completely debunked to prevent gay people from marrying is actually pretty damn homophobic if that's the length Iona will go to,to prevent gay people from marrying. That's irrational discourse,not rational. But since, BB already concludes that none of the above are homophobic,we're all wrong guys!


  • #1733
    AerynSun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    I'm not sure why the existence of organised political lobby groups centred on advancing the special interests of gay people is so comical.

    BB maybe it's not the existence of political lobby groups that is comical, but some people's irrational fear of them that's funny. Hence the décor jokes :)


  • #1734
    jjpep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 652 ✭✭✭jjpep


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    It's the same for "homophobia" as anything else.

    I think I'm missing on some subtly here then. Is saying ****ty things the same or different to being ****ty? Maybe I'm over simplifying things?


  • #1735
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Penncil Dick wrote: »
    1. Never claimed it was.
    No, though it is implicit in your whole argument amounting to no more than "You Too!".
    2.
    Penncil Dick wrote: »
    You called Alan Shatter an "Israel-firster", a term which many people still debate whether or not it can be considered anti-semitic, just as people in Ireland are debating whether or not the comments of Iona/Waters can be considered homophobic. Calling him an "Israel-firster" implies that he abuses his position to give greater or equal treatment to Israel than to Ireland.
    It actually doesn't. It implies that he is an Israeli nationalist, Something which is of itself not offensive. He is - unless you think calling for the overthrow of the Iranian regime for Israel's sake is for Ireland's benefit? Unless you think giving his support to Israel bombing and killing defenseless people in Gaza is for the benefit of Ireland?

    Penncil Dick wrote: »
    Could you prove that in court? Do you consider what you said about him to be defamation?
    Yes and no.


  • #1736
    AerynSun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    jjpep wrote: »
    I think I'm missing on some subtly here

    My reading of it, is that a lot of people want to be allowed to say sh1tty things without having to step up and accept that they are being sh1tty people for doing that.


  • #1737
    jjpep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 652 ✭✭✭jjpep


    AerynSun wrote: »
    My reading of it, is that a lot of people want to be allowed to say sh1tty things without having to step up and accept that they are being sh1tty people for doing that.

    Thats kinda what I assumed but I haven't been following this thread so was just checking.


  • #1738
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    jjpep wrote: »
    I think I'm missing on some subtly here then. Is saying ****ty things the same or different to being ****ty? Maybe I'm over simplifying things?
    I'll give you a simple example. You could be an ignorant and rude prick but when you meet your girlfriend/boyfriend's parents for the first time you could be the perfect gentleman and say everything politely.


  • #1739
    jjpep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 652 ✭✭✭jjpep


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    I'll give you a simple example. You could be an ignorant and rude prick but when you meet your girlfriend/boyfriend's parents for the first time you could be the perfect gentleman and say everything politely.

    Ok. So which one then would be the true character of the person then I wonder?

    Or do you mean say prickush things but in a polite way?


  • #1740
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    I'm not sure why the existence of organised political lobby groups centred on advancing the special interests of gay people is so comical.

    The comical thing is you pretending you think the broad consensus that LGBT people should not suffer discrimination is just a narrow lobby group wanting special treatment for gays.

    You aren't fooling anyone.


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  • #1741
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    The comical thing is you pretending you think the broad consensus that LGBT people should not suffer discrimination is just a narrow lobby group wanting special treatment for gays.

    You aren't fooling anyone.
    John doesn't have an issue with gay people,it's the lobby clearly. Burt Bacharach is playing.


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