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The great big "Ask about Islam" thread

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  • 08-01-2014 3:23pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭


    Ok, not sure how this is going to work, but let's give it a go.

    I've stated many times on this very forum that one of my aims in taking over the moderation was an attempt to dispel many of the myths surrounding Islam.

    With that in mind, I'm throwing this out there to all of us non-Muslims to ask questions about Islam, with the hope that the Muslims amongst us will answer.

    Normal rules apply, please keep it civil.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Good idea OP, I'll start:
    What is the reason for women in stricter Muslim countries not being able to move about by themselves (a male relative must be present)? And where in the Quran is this written?


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Islam is said to be tolerant of other religions, but how does this work with the burnings of churches recently in Syria and in Egypt?


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    Posts snipped, as I said, keep it civil.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭micosoft


    biko wrote: »
    Good idea OP, I'll start:
    What is the reason for women in stricter Muslim countries not being able to move about by themselves (a male relative must be present)? And where in the Quran is this written?

    This happened in Christian Countries in the past. Don't forget we locked up Woman not too long ago here.

    Local Culture feeds into how people interpret any Religion. So the Bible says a lot of unacceptable things but people in the west now culturally reject those interpretations. Not to do with the religion per-say but a reflection on local social mores that lead to that interpretation. Not to say we should not challenge those interpretations but not to have a superiority complex around them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭Plug


    Tom Dunne wrote: »
    Posts snipped, as I said, keep it civil.
    It was an honest question...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,998 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    Do you feel that the media have a lot to answer for in terms of how Islam and Muslims are depicted? For example, it always seems to focus on people who hold the most extreme views (burning effigies, chanting stone throwing etc. Etc.).

    And slightly related to this, do you have any opinion on how it seems ok for comedians or tv shows to make jokes about other religions (catholics and Jewish mainly), but Islam is a strictly taboo subject.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Are the Jinn mortal like us in Islam or are they immortal like the Angels?

    Do all Muslims believe that Adam would have died naturally anyway regardless of the fall or not?


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    Plug wrote: »
    It was an honest question...

    It's sh!t stirring and you know it. Let's leave it at that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭confusedquark


    biko wrote: »
    Good idea OP, I'll start:
    What is the reason for women in stricter Muslim countries not being able to move about by themselves (a male relative must be present)? And where in the Quran is this written?

    It's not a ruling from The Quran, but comes from the Hadith. The main reason for it is for the woman's own safety and protection. There's a very good article on it here - http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/faqs-and-fatwas/is-it-okay-for-a-woman-to-travel-on-her-own-abu-majid-al-hanbali/ and it delves into what type of circumstances it is applicable in today's world. I don't want to copy and paste the whole thing here, but here's a snippet summary:

    Originally, there is a prohibition for a woman to travel alone without a mahram (relative) to somewhere which takes over one day and one night to get there. The Hadith is in Bukhari #1088... Back then they would travel much slower by camels and walking, and the Prophet (peace be upon him) was speaking about the desert where there were no police and no security in most cases... The Prophet was not making rulings which were expected to remain exactly as they are until the Day of Judgment... If it could be said that there is just as much chance for harm to come your way going to the local store as it would going somewhere far then if that chance was scarce then it would only be recommended to have a male escort in going somewhere far.

    My own personal take on it is that Islam acknowledges that women are the physically weaker gender, and more at risk of physical/sexual attacks than their male counterparts, and makes appropriate provisions to reduce the risk of them coming to harm. If you look at the statistics where around 250,000 cases of sexual assault take place annually in the United States alone, one can make a strong case for these provisions to be in place. I'm not saying that sexual assaults don't occur in Muslim countries, and admittedly there's probably a lot of under-reporting, but I'd imagine if people do abide by Islamic principles, the rates would be considerably lower.

    And it's not just women that are the focus of these principles. Gender-mixing without good reason is disliked in Islam, and men are also advised to not approach women who don't have a mehram with them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭confusedquark


    biko wrote: »
    Islam is said to be tolerant of other religions, but how does this work with the burnings of churches recently in Syria and in Egypt?

    The burning of churches is completely wrong and not Islamic. The people who committed those atrocities were very misguided. Not every action committed by Muslims is directly because of Islam.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭confusedquark


    Do you feel that the media have a lot to answer for in terms of how Islam and Muslims are depicted? For example, it always seems to focus on people who hold the most extreme views (burning effigies, chanting stone throwing etc. Etc.).

    And slightly related to this, do you have any opinion on how it seems ok for comedians or tv shows to make jokes about other religions (catholics and Jewish mainly), but Islam is a strictly taboo subject.

    Yes, the media do have a lot to answer for, but not all the media we're fed is truly independent, and many of them have their own agendas. In part, it has to do with the political views of those in charge and what message they want to broadcast. In part, it has to do with making money - they'll get more ratings by showing extremists, and not so much by showing everyday Muslims doing everyday things, which is what's needed to help foster tolerance and integration, but that's not in their specific interests.

    To the second part, I don't think it's ok to make derogatory jokes about any religion. I use the word "derogatory", because there are many different types of jokes, and there are many jokes about Muslims and Islam that I'd find genuinely funny. But then there are a lot of jokes which aren't in good humour, and have a more racist/belittling tone behind them. We're developing a South Park (tv show) mentality, where the more offensive something is, the funnier it is, and it's ok to say anything. Personally I disagree with that mentality, because people have a right to be aggrieved by certain types of jokes, e.g. ones that fuel stereotypes, and expecting people to "just take it and see the funny side" doesn't foster mutual respect, especially in multicultural societies.

    As to why specifically Islam is a taboo subject - there are a few reasons. Muslims tend to hold their religion very close to them, and it's not that we lack a sense of humour, we consider it entirely inappropriate for jokes to be directed at our Prophet or God. In the same way most people don't appreciate jokes being made at their parents. That's one reason, and then there's also how different people react when something offensive is publicly said - some of us ignore it, some write letters of complaint, some make press statements, some organise demonstrations, some burn flags/effigies and others send death threats. I certainly don't agree with the latter forms of protest, because there's a way to go about these things.

    It probably wasn't ok to make jokes about Catholicism until fairly recently either, but with people becoming less religious in the past few decades and the power of the Catholic church fading, there's less opposition to offensive jokes when they are made - if there were more protests and condemnation, I'm sure comedians wouldn't make as many jokes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭confusedquark


    Are the Jinn mortal like us in Islam or are they immortal like the Angels?

    Do all Muslims believe that Adam would have died naturally anyway regardless of the fall or not?

    From: http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/669/viewall/

    In many aspects of their world, the Jinn are very similar to us. They eat and drink, they marry, have children and they die. The life span however, is far greater then ours. Like us, they will also be subject to a Final Reckoning by God the Most High. They will be present with mankind on the Day of Judgment and will either go to Paradise or Hell.


    I can't speak for the other billion+ Muslims in the world, but Adam would have died naturally anyway because he was human and mortal (although I'll be honest I don't know what the actual cause of his death was from an Islamic perspective).


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Does the belief that satan fell because of his refusal to venerate Adam when asked to by God come from the Koran or the hadith?

    Do all Muslims believe that angels, unlike humans and jinn, lack free will or is that just a majority opinion among the Sunni?

    Thanks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 662 ✭✭✭wuffly


    Is it more acceptable or less of a 'sin' to drink alcohol than to eat pork? Genuine question as i know Muslims that will drink but will not consider eating pork? Just wondering what the difference is?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    Do Sunni and Shia pray together in the same mosque here in Ireland or would they have separate places of worship? Would their relationship be similar to Protestants and Catholics in Christianity?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    What is an acceptable punishment for apostasy?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,653 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    wuffly wrote: »
    Is it more acceptable or less of a 'sin' to drink alcohol than to eat pork? Genuine question as i know Muslims that will drink but will not consider eating pork? Just wondering what the difference is?



    Just to echo this.

    A few years back i worked with a Muslim guy, he drank,did drugs also ate pork and prayed infrequently however in his mind when he got "older" he'd have to conform, how is this viewed?

    Also are certain nationalties viewed as more muslim than others (where the majority of the population is muslim?


    Good idea for a thread Tom, lets hope it stays on topic


  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭confusedquark


    Does the belief that satan fell because of his refusal to venerate Adam when asked to by God come from the Koran or the hadith?

    Do all Muslims believe that angels, unlike humans and jinn, lack free will or is that just a majority opinion among the Sunni?

    Thanks.

    The first bit's from The Koran:

    "And (remember) when We said to the angels: ‘Prostrate yourselves unto Adam.’ So they prostrated themselves except ‘Iblis’ (Satan). He was one of the jinn; he disobeyed the command of his Lord" (Quran, Al-Kahf: 50).

    “….And they prostrated except Iblis (Satan), he refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers (disobedient to Allah)” (Quran, Al-Baqarah: 34).

    To the second part, once again I can't speak for everyone, and certainly don't have enough knowledge to comment on what's a majority Sunni opinion, and what's otherwise, but from what I know, angels don't have free will and only obey orders.


  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭confusedquark


    wuffly wrote: »
    Is it more acceptable or less of a 'sin' to drink alcohol than to eat pork? Genuine question as i know Muslims that will drink but will not consider eating pork? Just wondering what the difference is?

    Both are explicitly forbidden in The Koran, so neither is really acceptable at any level (suffice for the rare occasions when you're stuck in the middle of a desert and only have pork to eat). Muslims differ considerably in their adherence to the religion, and most of us go through good phases and bad phases - a bad phase for one person might be missing a few prayers here and there, whereas a bad phase for another would be drinking alcohol regularly. Some things will be more deeply engrained in some people that others, so a person might be tempted by the odd gamble or pint of alcohol, but would never consider pork because of how they were brought up or what values they have. So, the Muslims that you know who drink probably do know deep down that they're wrong in what they're doing, but are probably turning a blind eye to it. Very few of us manage to follow all the rules perfectly, mind you, but the vast majority do not drink alcohol.


  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭confusedquark


    Do Sunni and Shia pray together in the same mosque here in Ireland or would they have separate places of worship? Would their relationship be similar to Protestants and Catholics in Christianity?

    Yeah, they do pray together in the same mosques here. Part of the reason is probably that the communities are relatively small and if/when the numbers grow - there probably will be separate mosques built. There certainly are a few core beliefs that are different, somewhat along the lines of the Protestant/Catholic divide, and I suppose you can make as much of an issue of it as you want, or just let it be and focus on the similarities. Thankfully there isn't any friction between the Sunni and Shia communities in Ireland, and I'd know a good few families on both sides.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭confusedquark


    iDave wrote: »
    What is an acceptable punishment for apostasy?

    Four pages of good reading on the topic here (although the apostasy bit specifically is from page 3 onwards)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056923122


  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭confusedquark


    A few years back i worked with a Muslim guy, he drank,did drugs also ate pork and prayed infrequently however in his mind when he got "older" he'd have to conform, how is this viewed?

    It's procrastination really. People come up with all sorts of excuses to justify living a life they want. When the Day of Judgement comes, we'll be questioned about every action in our lives, and whilst praying towards the end of one's life might be enough to get one into heaven, it's far from a guarantee and the best way to maximise your chances is to be as good for as much of your life as you can. And unfortunately, a lot of people with the above attitude never reach their "older" phase - whether physically or mentally.
    Also are certain nationalties viewed as more muslim than others (where the majority of the population is muslim?

    Certain people from certain nationalities might feel they're "more Muslim", e.g. if they're from Saudi and their country houses the main Islamic sites, and they speak the Arabic language, but every country will have it's fair share of "good" Muslims, and fair share of not so adherent Muslims, and no one country really stands out as such (to my mind anyway).


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm



    I can't speak for the other billion+ Muslims in the world, but Adam would have died naturally anyway because he was human and mortal (although I'll be honest I don't know what the actual cause of his death was from an Islamic perspective).

    Well I think its fair to say that if the Jinn who remained Muslim at the time of satan's fall are mortal than in Islam Adam must have been created mortal too.

    Doesnt Islam believe that there were other cycles of creation on this planet before Adam came along?

    Were not the Jinn in charge of the planet so to speak before us?

    Can you recommend any good books dealing with the Jinn?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 59 ✭✭Giak


    A Muslim man can marry anybody of "the book" but a Muslim woman can only marry Muslims. Why is this?


  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭confusedquark


    Doesnt Islam believe that there were other cycles of creation on this planet before Adam came along?

    Were not the Jinn in charge of the planet so to speak before us?

    Can you recommend any good books dealing with the Jinn?

    There's nothing concrete in the Quran one way or another about prior cycles of creation on this planet before Adam. Different opinions exist about the issue, some do say Jinn were the first to dwell here, some say they weren't.

    I've never really gone looking for any Jinn literature, so cant help you with the last bit. And apologies about the rather late reply, have had a busy couple of weeks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭confusedquark


    Giak wrote: »
    A Muslim man can marry anybody of "the book" but a Muslim woman can only marry Muslims. Why is this?

    Firstly, Muslim men being allowed to marry women of the book is more of an exception than a rule, and even then, there are conditions attached to it. Men are still strongly encouraged to marry Muslim women.

    To answer your specific question, it has to do with the preservation of religion. If a conflict (in religious opinion/practices etc) arises in the relationship, it's more difficult for a woman to stand up and maintain her religion than it is for a man. Yes relationship dynamics can be very different from one couple to the next, and there are a lot of very strong women and obliging husbands out there, but by and large, a man is less likely to have his views/religion compromised if push comes to shove.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Islamic countries are some of the most oppressive countries in the world, why is this?

    From what I am led to believe Saudi Arabia base this oppression against Women, Drinking etc by following Islamic religious laws. Morocco is also a Islamic country and adheres to Islamic law too, but is worlds apart from Saudi?

    How do you explain this and why is it acceptable that the law of the land is religious law?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 931 ✭✭✭periodictable


    Do you feel that the media have a lot to answer for in terms of how Islam and Muslims are depicted? For example, it always seems to focus on people who hold the most extreme views (burning effigies, chanting stone throwing etc. Etc.).

    No. What I don't hear is moderate Islamic leaders condemning the extremism of their co-religionists. For example, when Lee Rigby was butchered on a London street, where were the Irish Islamic leaders condemning that act of barbarity?


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    Islamic countries are some of the most oppressive countries in the world, why is this?

    From what I am led to believe Saudi Arabia base this oppression against Women, Drinking etc by following Islamic religious laws. Morocco is also a Islamic country and adheres to Islamic law too, but is worlds apart from Saudi?

    How do you explain this and why is it acceptable that the law of the land is religious law?

    I think I will jump in here and take this one.

    As I have said many times before on this forum, Saudi Arabia is not representative of Islam. The Saudis have obscene amounts of wealth and as long as they keep the US supplied with oil, they are given free reign to do what they want. Also, it is always important to distinguish between cultural norms and Islamic laws, especially when it comes to Saudi.

    There is significant tension Saudi between the religious leaders who see it as their duty to impose a strict version of Islam, vs. the ruling family who, believe it or not, actually are quite liberal and want to modernise the country.

    What you have is this odd triangle where the ruling family are on one hand trying to pacify the religious leaders, so essentially let them do what they want, and on the other hand buying the population's acquiescence with the vast oil wealth. All to keep themselves in power.

    One of the comical contradictions in Saudi is where women who are not allowed drive, because it might put them in contact with men they are not related to, are forced to get their own drivers, who, you've guessed it, are men.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Tom Dunne wrote: »
    I think I will jump in here and take this one.

    As I have said many times before on this forum, Saudi Arabia is not representative of Islam. The Saudis have obscene amounts of wealth and as long as they keep the US supplied with oil, they are given free reign to do what they want. Also, it is always important to distinguish between cultural norms and Islamic laws, especially when it comes to Saudi.

    There is significant tension Saudi between the religious leaders who see it as their duty to impose a strict version of Islam, vs. the ruling family who, believe it or not, actually are quite liberal and want to modernise the country.

    What you have is this odd triangle where the ruling family are on one hand trying to pacify the religious leaders, so essentially let them do what they want, and on the other hand buying the population's acquiescence with the vast oil wealth. All to keep themselves in power.

    One of the comical contradictions in Saudi is where women who are not allowed drive, because it might put them in contact with men they are not related to, are forced to get their own drivers, who, you've guessed it, are men.

    Indeed - Wiki has a nice breakdown of sharia law by country here. Saudi Arabia is clearly one of a very small number of countries where Sharia is the sum total of national law.


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