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Shannon Airport (Feb 2012 - Jan 2014)

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    #512
    notharrypotter
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    Ryanair re deja vu noted and agreed.

    Just read the irish times article linked and it says that the proposed legislation should permit the new entity to borrow upto 100 million.
    It does not say that the state should give it the money.
    Obviously all business plans requiring use of the funds will require oversight.


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    #513
    GCU Flexible Demeanour
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    angelfire9 wrote: »
    And that is why I feel that the DAA taking over ARI in exchange for releasing Shannon Airport was tantamount to theft (albeit government sanctioned)
    I'm afraid, this is the usual distorted account that attempts to make the expropriation by Shannon of any Group entity that happened to be administered locally seem reasonable. Shannon not just "released". It is being left debt free, with the addition of the assets of Shannon Development (which are also State assets that belong as much to the people of Cork and Leitrim as they do to the people of Clare.) ARI assets remain with the daa, along with debts relating to all three airports.
    Mr. G wrote: »
    The amount of spin off jobs created because of the airport is huge.
    Not really. Sure, most West of Ireland tourists enter the country through at East coast gateway. The extent to which the airport contributes to local job creation is hugely overstated. What attracted industry to the Shannon area initially was the old tax break. The tax incentive actually failed to do what it was meant to do - which is generate traffic for the airport.

    Now, clearly, there are a couple of enterprises that specifically need to be at an airport - Shannon Aerospace obviously need to be able to have their customers fly their planes in.

    Can I suggest, if the profits of firms operating in the region greatly exceed the cost of running an airport, they can just bill them directly.

    Although, in fairness, lets all remember the present situation is one where a debt free Shannon may be able to generate a profit - so the whole issue of the airport being financially unsustainable may not arise.
    notharrypotter wrote: »
    Just read the irish times article linked and it says that the proposed legislation should permit the new entity to borrow upto 100 million.
    It does not say that the state should give it the money.
    That's right - but the issue is whether there's any implicit State guarantee for the borrowings. If not, incidently, it's fine. Then folk can lend to Shannon at their own risk. But that assumes that, in extremis, the State would be willing to let the airport go into liquidation.

    That said, I don't think such concerns are raised immediately at all - although, the legislation should make it clear the State has no exposure. At present, IMHO, its just over to the local management for a year or two to do what they can. So long as they're not losing silly money at the end of year one, or accumulating large debts, there's no real reason for concern.


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    #514
    Brennans Row
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    Cosmo Kramer wrote: »
    Sean Quinn probably thought the same...
    What has Sean Quinn got to do with me or this thread for that matter?
    Cosmo Kramer wrote: »
    As I said, there are no stakes,
    Maybe the stakes are not high enough for you personally.

    That is not surprising, as you don’t live there.

    But certainly for the livelihoods of many thousands of families associated with Shannon it is.
    Cosmo Kramer wrote: »
    Shannon will undoubtedly be bailed out if and when its unviability in its current form results in it needing to go back to the government, cap in hand, yet again, as has always been the case.
    Poor mouthing of Shannon in this fashion before it gets a chance to bounce back, serves what purpose may I ask?
    Cosmo Kramer wrote: »
    You make it sound like you are on the Airport board or something. If you have a role in the development of the airport (aside from copying and pasting airport related propaganda onto this forum) please let us know.
    Now you are resorting to ridicule.

    Could you list my posts that deem to be propaganda to you?
    Cosmo Kramer wrote: »
    I didn't see him suggesting that the airport should pay back the 100 million either, so I reckon it's safe enough to assume he doesn't feel the airport's debts should be paid off by the airport.

    I don't expect that the Limerick Leader, Limerick Post or any other paper in the mid-west would use the work bailout either - their readers probably wouldn't appreciate it so much. Doesn't change the fact that that's what it was though, a bailout - plain and simple.
    On the contrary, I’d say he would prefer that Shannon serviced its own debts, naturally enough with ARI remaining within Shannon’s control.

    It must really gall him now to see that DAA are contemplating to sell off their ARI-stake in Moscow.

    With all the profit reserves plundered, is this the beginning of the end for ARI?
    Cosmo Kramer wrote: »
    ARI wasn't Shannon's to trade off, so his argument is complete nonsense.
    Just curious, but did you bother to read the pdf attachment that I posted, outlining the milestones leading up to the creation of Aer Rianta International at Shannon in post no. 488?
    Cosmo Kramer wrote: »
    Yes, it was a post that showed that the position of ARI had been made clear almost 200 posts earlier in the thread, yet you still continue to peddle your mis-informed views on the subject.
    We had an exchange of views, unfortunately GCU opted for sarcasm and ruined it.

    To say that Liam Skelly’s and Michael Guerin’s contribution (ARI, Fuel Farm, US Immigration Facilities) was not worthy is bizarre i.e. . . . . . .Lauding the local management for "entrepreneurship" would be like lauding cross border diesel launderers for their "entrepreneurship" (GCU). See page 22

    Peddling misinformed views? Again please list and link.
    Cosmo Kramer wrote: »
    The only thing his comments highlights is how far out of touch the Shannon lobby is with the reality of Shannon Airport, which only re-inforces my view that the airport will never be able to take the difficult decisions needed to stand on its own feet.

    I'm reading in a few different places now that there may be a press conference as soon as tomorrow at Shannon to announce new Ryanair routes for next summer, with possibly an increase in terms of the number of aircraft based at the airport. I hope the Irish taxpayer is looking forward to picking up the bill for this again, just as they had to last time around.
    So if the new management gets the productivity levels up either by cutting costs or changing work practices.

    Would that mean it could actually change your reinforced view?


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    #515
    dr.fuzzenstein
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    I wouldn't worry too much what anyone says. The dogs are barking, but the train keeps on rolling.


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    #516
    crazyguy01
    Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭crazyguy01


    http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/about-us/latest-news/press-conference.aspx


    Live press conference now with Ryanair!!


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    #517
    Cookiemunster
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    Eight new routes Berlin, Faro, Fuerteventura, Krakow, Munich, Nice, Paris & Warsaw from next April.
    http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryanair-launches-8-new-shannon-routes-in-april-2014


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    #518
    finbarrk
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    I had been hoping for Barcelona or Reus.


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    #519
    golfball37
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    Eight new routes Berlin, Faro, Fuerteventura, Krakow, Munich, Nice, Paris & Warsaw from next April.
    http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryanair-launches-8-new-shannon-routes-in-april-2014


    great news.


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    #520
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    Eight new routes Berlin, Faro, Fuerteventura, Krakow, Munich, Nice, Paris & Warsaw from next April.
    http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryanair-launches-8-new-shannon-routes-in-april-2014

    All good tourist routes and nice destinations, Who ever was looking for the German routes should be happy. Can see Krakow and Berlin doing very well.

    Will be interesting to see where all the additional passengers will come from if O'leary is also announcing additional routes over the next few weeks at Cork, Kerry and Knock as he said this morning.


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    #521
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2013/1024/482422-ryanair-shannon-airport/

    Munich is great for me, both airports right on both my doorsteps


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    #522
    Clareman
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 23,928 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    Is this a happy Dr. Fuzz that we have?


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    #523
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Clareman wrote: »
    Is this a happy Dr. Fuzz that we have?

    I hope it won't be just me using that flight...:D

    So here's my promo of the region:

    Skiing, cycling, swimming, hiking, trekking, mountain-climbing, paragliding, white water rafting, more food and booze than you'd dare to shake a Masskrug at, all with Umtata music and shopping!
    Check it out. ;)

    Hope this all lasts, Ryanair are never beyond some spite and easy PR.


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    #524
    Jhcx
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    I wonder if there is enough demand for Germany will we see more growth by other airlines investing in shannon


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    #525
    Masala
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    All good tourist routes and nice destinations, Who ever was looking for the German routes should be happy. Can see Krakow and Berlin doing very well.

    tourists routes ....really....??????

    2 to Eastern Europe
    2 to the Sun.
    Paris.... inbound french tourists ???? questionable!!
    Munich....possible - but more Eastern Europe market.


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    #526
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Masala wrote: »
    tourists routes ....really....??????

    2 to Eastern Europe
    2 to the Sun.
    Paris.... inbound french tourists ???? questionable!!
    Munich....possible - but more Eastern Europe market.
    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

    So here's my promo of the region:

    Skiing, cycling, swimming, hiking, trekking, mountain-climbing, paragliding, white water rafting, more food and booze than you'd dare to shake a Masskrug at, all with Umtata music and shopping!
    Check it out. ;)

    This is Munich as in Ryanair Munich (Memmingen), but yes, this is a tourist destination, read my list.


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    #527
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Also (for the Memmingen Route)
    Yes, big possibility for inbound tourists, people down there are completely mad about Ireland.
    The ball is now with advertising ourselves in the region.
    The usual practice of running ads of what a great holiday destination Ireland is on RTE only has never quite worked and the tourist board can't figure out why...:rolleyes:


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    #528
    Masala
    Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭Masala


    This is Munich as in Ryanair Munich (Memmingen), but yes, this is a tourist destination, read my list.

    ... but I think that 'tourist' in terms on Shannon Airport would mean Inbound Tourist. That is - overseas visitors staying in local hotels, b&b's, eating in local restaurants, spending in local shops!!!


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    #529
    Jamie2k9
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    Aer Lingus have announced the closure of CC base in SNN with loss of 87 jobs over unions not willing to operate the B757 services.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1024/482458-aer-lingus-shannon/


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    #530
    dr.fuzzenstein
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    Masala wrote: »
    ... but I think that 'tourist' in terms on Shannon Airport would mean Inbound Tourist. That is - overseas visitors staying in local hotels, b&b's, eating in local restaurants, spending in local shops!!!

    Shouldn't be a problem, Germans quite like Ireland. I speak from experience here.;)
    Persuading Germans to come visit Ireland should not be difficult, some well-placed marketing should do it, because if no one knows there is a flight, no one will come.
    I'll spread the word next time I'm over but I'm only one man...

    But then I have made the inbound tourist argument till I was fecking blue in the face over the course of this thread for those of you who could bve bothered to read it properly...


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    #531
    Clareman
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    Come on now folks, lets now be upsetting Dr. Fuzz

    For me it's a great move and it's up to the airport/region to get behind it, the thing that a lot of people don't get is that these flights won't be just back and forth, they'll be on other routes as well so it won't be a case of empty seats on return flights which took odd 30 minutes after the other 1 landed.

    In regards to who will use these flights, there might be a lot of transit customers as well, if you want to avail of pre-clearance to the US for example get a Ryanair flight to Shannon then get on a transatlantic flight, there's also a case for business people being able to continue on to other places of business from Shannon.


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    #532
    GCU Flexible Demeanour
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    Masala wrote: »
    ... but I think that 'tourist' in terms on Shannon Airport would mean Inbound Tourist. That is - overseas visitors staying in local hotels, b&b's, eating in local restaurants, spending in local shops!!!
    In fairness, the job of the new management is simply to grow the business of the airport, by whatever means.


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    #533
    dr.fuzzenstein
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Aer Lingus have announced the closure of CC base in SNN with loss of 87 jobs over unions not willing to operate the B757 services.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1024/482458-aer-lingus-shannon/

    The also got rid of aircraft mechanics based at Shannon.


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    #534
    Jhcx
    Registered Users Posts: 2,776 ✭✭✭Jhcx


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Aer Lingus have announced the closure of CC base in SNN with loss of 87 jobs over unions not willing to operate the B757 services.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1024/482458-aer-lingus-shannon/

    In this whole thing i dont really understand it. They were cut by 1* person on the crew, but! it is a smaller aircraft. Now they lost their jobs because of their stubbornness. fair enough it is going to affect the lively hoods of those who were based there but they should have been happy that it ment more work and jobs. Least they have the options to move or go to ACL. I just hope AL dont give into their demands because its not right.

    Luckily this is not a major loss for Shannon airport. The route still goes ahead bring more tourists and passengers to and from Ireland. The airline continues to try and grow. and the companies around stay open with the exception of a few. hopefully the airline sorts the issue bringing back the jobs and the route is a success leading to more opportunities for dependant business to open.


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    #535
    Cosmo Kramer
    Registered Users Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    The Aer Lingus thing is just another example of the staff being let down by their own union (similar to what happened at Grangemouth in Scotland this week).

    Four cabin crew is more than enough on a 757 and they should be delighted to be so well paid to do a job that involves regular travel to the US and back. I'd swap my job with them anyway.

    The Ryanair route increase is modest enough, but it makes sense when you see the long list of routes they tried and failed with at Shannon last time around. I believe most of these routes will operate only two or three days a week - this looks a little bit more sustainable than their previous effort.

    I can't imagine they will generate any transfer traffic though, you'd want to be mad to risk using Ryanair as a transit connection to a transatlantic flight.


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    #536
    notharrypotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭notharrypotter


    I can't imagine they will generate any transfer traffic though,

    Curious does the Aer Arran Manchester flight generate any?
    you'd want to be mad to risk using Ryanair as a transit connection to a transatlantic flight

    From what I can locate none of the services currently at Shannon bar the Manchester service would facilitate it either.
    I'd swap my job with them anyway.

    From looking at the RTE news it would appear that there will be an opportunity for you to apply to ASL(?).

    http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2013/1024/482457-87-aer-lingus-cabin-crew-jobs-at-risk-in-shannon/


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    #537
    Brennans Row
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    Westair Aviation

    An Irish owned and operated company commenced business from Shannon Airport in 1977.

    Westair operates a fleet of business jets and helicopters including the Gulfstream G550, Bombardier Challenger 605 and Learjet, and Hawker 800XP business jets, and Bell 430 twin-engine IFR helicopters.

    Their (FOB) Fixed Based Operations offers a dedicated VIP lounge and crew rest areas plus a EASA Part 145 line and base maintenance-approved facilities for Gulfstream, Hawker and Learjet aircraft and Bell helicopters.

    It supplies its own aviation fuel and has its own ground equipment.

    I see that they have plans for a small extension to their main hangar, which is another good indicator of green shoots leading to the recovery of the airport. :cool:

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    #538
    Brennans Row
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    Hamilton Sundstrand Shannon was founded as Shannon Aircraft Motor Works in 1988, moved to this new facility in 1997, and was taken over by Hamilton Sundstrand in 1998.

    This facility is the first of its kind to be specifically built to handle rewind of electrical aerospace components.

    They serve both commercial and military aerospace customers.

    The specialized business of rewind and repair requires a close working relationship between HS-Shannon, the customer and the certifying authorities.

    They have a combined rewind and repair capability of 1100 Parts.

    They are the largest provider of specialist rewinds to the aerospace industry in the world.

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    Lufthansa Technik Turbine Shannon (LTTS), a member of the EPAR (Engine Partsand Accessories Repair) network of Lufthansa Technik, specializes in the repair of components for both high pressure and low pressure turbines for CFMI and GE aircraft engines.

    Originally founded in 1991 by Guinness Peat Aviation and Sulzer of Switzerland under the name of Shannon Turbine Technologies, the company was acquired by Lufthansa Technik in 1996 and changed its name to Lufthansa Technik Turbine Shannon in 2003.

    Today it employs a staff of 215 and has some 8,000 square meters of floor space available at its Shannon site.

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    The task report highlighted the mixed cluster of the aviation companies operating around Shannon Airport (Lessors, MRO, etc.).

    An interesting facet is the backup service sector where for example local firms like Smithstown Light Engineering can manufacture precision components when required for Hamilton Sundstrand or Lufthansa.

    This 40 year old Irish company is another green shoot, as they have just extended their factory to house an impressive range of high tech machinery.

    Definitely a show case service company for attracting further MRO firms to Shannon.



    The University of Limerick also plays a supporting educational role.

    They offer Bachelor and Master qualifications in the field of Aeronautical Engineering.

    On top of that, the first batch of the new Corporate MBA in Aviation Management graduated earlier on this year.

    Thus more good selling arguments for attracting new aviation businesses to Shannon. :cool:



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    #539
    lockman
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    For the fifth consecutive month, Shannon airport has recorded growth in passenger numbers. October 2013 saw a ~5% growth in passengers at the airport, compared to the same period in 2012.

    For more on this, see the airport's statement at:
    http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/about-us/latest-news/latest-news/13-11-07/West_of_Ireland_Tourism_sector_reaps_benefits_as_Shannon_Airport_shows_more_growth_in_October.aspx

    Of particular note from the airport statement is the following:

    The biggest increase came in European traffic for October following a hugely successful summer of US traffic growth, which also showed growth of 4% despite the ending of summer season services earlier in the autumn.

    Great to see an increase in the European numbers which had been in decline until recently.


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    #540
    lockman
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Aer Lingus have announced the closure of CC base in SNN with loss of 87 jobs over unions not willing to operate the B757 services.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1024/482458-aer-lingus-shannon/


    It now looks like the decision to close the Aer Lingus cabin crew base at Shannon has been reversed. Good news for the 87 people employed at the base.

    For more, see the journal.ie:
    http://www.thejournal.ie/aer-lingus-crew-dispute-1176441-Nov2013/


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    #541
    Brennans Row
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    lockman wrote: »
    It now looks like the decision to close the Aer Lingus cabin crew base at Shannon has been reversed. Good news for the 87 people employed at the base.

    For more, see the journal.ie:
    http://www.thejournal.ie/aer-lingus-crew-dispute-1176441-Nov2013/

    According to RTE on Friday, the cabin crew committee were to meet to consider the proposals.

    Aer Lingus management sources welcomed the proposals but said a ballot result from cabin crew was urgently needed.

    Training for the routes was due to commence today.

    So is this issue now resolved?


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