The virtues or otherwise of corolla bangeromics

W123-80's wrote: »

Another one...
Test till Jan '14
Tax till June '13
94k miles.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4971928

If you got that for €700 or even the asking it's a huge amount of car for the money. It really does look mind and will probably go for another few hundred thousand miles without much work.

I like it.

Very, very basic A-B motoring. Very reliable. There really isn't much more positive about it

Not particularly cheap to buy. Not very safe. Not a lot of car for the money.

I'm still quite surprised these cars are suggested here so often

unkel wrote: »

Very, very basic A-B motoring. Very reliable. There really isn't much more positive about it

Not particularly cheap to buy. Not very safe. Not a lot of car for the money.

I'm still quite surprised these cars are suggested here so often

If you weren't such a snob and actually knew a thing or two about cars and what your average person wants from a car you would know why these cars are posted here so often.

They are simple and plain granted but are brilliantly engineered. Which means they are easy to maintain and cheap to repair in the very unlikely event that something goes wrong. That is what most people want from a car and is what bangernomics is all about imo.

As for being unsafe, They are no more unsafe than any other cars in their class at the time and are safer than many.

Cash is king wrote: »

Aye the current model isn't much improved than that model..

The Current model is no where near as well built as the Corollas of old, the e10 along with the 4e-fe engined e11 were as good as it got for build quality.

Limerick man wrote: »

A very good car it might be but I wouldnt call it a huge amount of car...

Its still Japans finest tin work at the end of the day

Ah I meant it in terms of how many years motoring you'd get out of it! It'd probably never stop going which is all some people need!

unkel wrote: »

Very, very basic A-B motoring. Very reliable. There really isn't much more positive about it

Not particularly cheap to buy. Not very safe. Not a lot of car for the money.

I'm still quite surprised these cars are suggested here so often

Very reliable, quite economical and fairly practical as in the boot is fairly big.

Those criteria above are more than enough for the average Irish buyer, and while they aren't any of the criteria that matter to me, objectively I can see why they are so popular.

A car with fresh NCT, some tax, superb reliability, practicality, economical and it looks very clean in the photos makes it quite a bit of car for the €7-€800 you're buying it for.

I think they're one of the best bangernomics motors out there and it easly meets all the criteria so not quite sure why you think otherwise.

You may not like them but surely you aren't going to deny that they are good bangernomics cars?

RoverJames wrote: »

Well I doubt the chap is a car snob

The chap might not be a snob, but he certainly is coming across as one imo

RoverJames wrote: »

Well I doubt the chap is a car snob but regardless the corolla was asking €850 and it was a 1995 model, you'd get a newer 323 or Lancer/Carisma for the same price with more extras and they're just as good imo. And much better value.

You would but none of them are as good as these Corollas though. The 323 does come close but the Corolla has the edge where build quality is concerned and has much better rust protection.

As for the Lancer and Carisma, they are no where near as good as a Corolla. The Lancer is much lighter and cheaper built than a Corolla, suffers from far more Corrosion underneath, the body gets tatty more easily due to thin sheet metal, It has a 12valve underpowered 74 bhp 1.3 unit compared to the Corolla's much livelier more economical, more refined excellent 87bhp 16 valve 4e-fe unit.

The Lancer Gets rougher much quicker aswell, things like ball joints etc seem to wear very quickly in them even at a young age and with low mileage, you would rarely see things like this gone in a Corolla even at high mileage.

As for the Carisma, well it is far cry from the Corolla, A poor effort from Mitsubishi if there ever was one, even it's baby brother the Lancer is a better car than it and nicer to drive too. They really are a horrible car in every imaginable way with poor build quality in my experience.

From the spongy and awful gear change from the Renault gearbox to it's bumpy wallowy uncomfortable ride and poor handling(I know, I know the Corolla is hardly a great handler itself, but is light years ahead in comparison.) The engines get Tappety as well and things like the wiper linkage seems to wear prematurely in them.

unkel wrote: »

My own car is 12 years old and worth less than a grand. Hardly qualifies me being a snob, does it?

I suppose plenty of people in this country are easily pleased with a very basic car for their bangernomics money. I guess I'm not one of them

Don't get me wrong though, if my budget was the tiniest possible, I too would buy a basic A-B reliable (probably Jap) car. Not a Toyota 1.3 though, it would be much cheaper and more reliable to own a 1.0 Micra

In my experience,

You don't get much better cheapness than a toyota 1.3,

I got a 93 1.3 corolla saloon in 2011 with a years test on it, with a shade over 100k miles on it, I bought it for 450e

In the time i owned it, i did nearly 25,000 trouble free miles, i changed the oil once and left it well alone after that, oh actually, a tyre perished because it was 12 years old.

I sold it with no test in 2012 for: 450e, it passed for the new owner straight off.

If that aint the definition of bangernomics I really dont know what is.

I will say: it was not comfortable, it was noisy, it was basic.. but it cost me nothing to run, tax was feck all (0 :pac:) and it never wanted for anything.. 4 doors for more ****es, will do 40mpg, 20 year old design that still doesn't look out of place..

So I really don't think the e10 saloon can be beaten as a bangernomic..

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4964657

unkel wrote: »

Nice one, I love it when people manage to get zero depreciation

€450 was a great price for it with a years test. Some people seem to be paying the guts of a grand for one. Not such a good deal. I bet they won't see their money back!

In a way it was but,

To be honest they're worth not much more than that, I wouldn't give 600 for the one i linked, was just using it as an example,

Cars that old don't depreciate, they've lost all their money already.. basically when you're in this territory what you're paying for is the yellow disc in the window.

So I dont see why they should lose value just because theres another owner on the book.. If a decent bangernomic is looked after, it should be able to sell for very close to whats paid for it, or else traded for 150 quid from hammond lane.

Jimdagym wrote: »

Personally, I wouldnt call €450 "slightly above the limit"
Thats 20%

I'm not really sure what the concensus / rule is here. Sure the limit is €2,000, but is that the asking price or what it will likely / realistically sell for?

If the latter, then I reckon that Peugeot will sell for below €2k, so it deserves to be here

RoverJames wrote: »

Spot on. I think the issue is people creaming themselves over a 95 corolla asking 850, its simply not a bargain, not value and certainly not a lot of car for the money.

If in here is anything to go by there's no shortage of people willing to pay over the odds for one though.

If you could stop focusing on the year of the car I think it is value for money. Asking €850, realistically taking €700-€750 for a car that could provide 10+ years of reliable motoring at feck all cost to the owner is value to me.

If you paid €750 now and needed a motor to tide you over fore two or three years you'd probably get most of that back come resale time. Seems like a bargain to me especially seeing as the one in question looks so clean and has low mileage.

Just my opinion of course.