The Book of Truth

scidive · 27-09-2012 12:16AM #1

Hi folks, Did anybody manage to get 'the Book of Truth' produced by maria divine mercy. I recently obtained the book and I am currently half way through. I have to say its pretty heavy and daunting but interesting. Is it the real deal words from Jesus to mankind who knows for certain. If it is the real deal, this book could be the most important book since the bible itself and yet not a peep out of anybody/media....nothing. I wonder how many Catholics actually believe that Jesus will return some day and that there will be end times as revealed in the book of revelation. I have asked these questions to some Catholics and its like a scene from Fr Ted a blank stare as if this will never happen. You either believe whats written in the Bible or you don't !

What evidence have we that this book 'could be' genuine.

1. For one it took an enormous effort to write this book (why would anybody bother writing a complicated book like this even if it was for money why not write a simple book)
2. The book seems to be intelligently crafted (almost super human )touching on many and varied points that don't seem to be in conflict with church teachings.
3. The book links into many of the current problems society is having today, upheavals in the middle east , economic problems in europe, growing power of eu and un and so on.
4. The books main theme is that we are in the end times as described in the book of revelation and this ties in with the views of many Christians ( particularly american churches ) that quote Bible prophecy of the end times in great detail.
5. This book ties in with many Catholic seers such as John Leery,Ned Dougherty ect.
6. This book ties in with the events and messages of church approved apparitions fatima, medjugorje.

Is the book genuine ? its up to each individual to decide,if it is a deception it is extremely well done, but for me its very convincing .

Gumbi · 27-09-2012 02:28PM

scidive wrote: »

Hi folks, Did anybody manage to get 'the Book of Truth' produced by maria divine mercy. I recently obtained the book and I am currently half way through. I have to say its pretty heavy and daunting but interesting. Is it the real deal words from Jesus to mankind who knows for certain. If it is the real deal, this book could be the most important book since the bible itself and yet not a peep out of anybody/media....nothing. I wonder how many Catholics actually believe that Jesus will return some day and that there will be end times as revealed in the book of revelation. I have asked these questions to some Catholics and its like a scene from Fr Ted a blank stare as if this will never happen. You either believe whats written in the Bible or you don't !

What evidence have we that this book 'could be' genuine.

1. For one it took an enormous effort to write this book (why would anybody bother writing a complicated book like this even if it was for money why not write a simple book)
2. The book seems to be intelligently crafted (almost super human )touching on many and varied points that don't seem to be in conflict with church teachings.
3. The book links into many of the current problems society is having today, upheavals in the middle east , economic problems in europe, growing power of eu and un and so on.
4. The books main theme is that we are in the end times as described in the book of revelation and this ties in with the views of many Christians ( particularly american churches ) that quote Bible prophecy of the end times in great detail.
5. This book ties in with many Catholic seers such as John Leery,Ned Dougherty ect.
6. This book ties in with the events and messages of church approved apparitions fatima, medjugorje.

Is the book genuine ? its up to each individual to decide,if it is a deception it is extremely well done, but for me its very convincing .

None of those points are evidence.

So what?

"It's complicated, therefore genuine". An absolutely baseless assertion. Typically, a fraudster needs to put in effort in order to gain.

Super human? Hold your horses! Where? Can you back up this assertion? Again, intelligently written? So what?

It links in various events. This leads us to what conclusion? That it links in various events...

Demonstrating prophesy would be difficult - specific examples might convince me.

Again, it ties in various events? So what? This proves what?

totus tuus · 27-09-2012 04:15PM

Shouldn't private revelations be approved by the CDF before being circulated! In the case of MDM, that has not happened!

homer911 · 27-09-2012 04:51PM

totus tuus wrote: »

Shouldn't private revelations be approved by the CDF before being circulated! In the case of MDM, that has not happened!

Sorry, but what on earth is CDF and MDM?

totus tuus · 27-09-2012 05:31PM

homer911 wrote: »

Sorry, but what on earth is CDF and MDM?

CDF - Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

MDM- Maria Divine Mercy (op's book author)

Onesimus · 27-09-2012 05:47PM

totus tuus wrote: »

Shouldn't private revelations be approved by the CDF before being circulated! In the case of MDM, that has not happened!

No they can be circulated regardless, but one shouldn't waste time in submitting them to the Local Bishop and CDF for review.

Its important for Catholics to receive private revelation and prophecy with simplicity of belief, thats always been my way. At the same time prudence is neccesary when reading the messages. But its not like anyone is going to go to hell for reading a false message they didn't know was false.

Just prudence is needed thats all.

scidive · 27-09-2012 09:23PM

Gumbi wrote: »

None of those points are evidence.

So what?

"It's complicated, therefore genuine". An absolutely baseless assertion. Typically, a fraudster needs to put in effort in order to gain.

Super human? Hold your horses! Where? Can you back up this assertion? Again, intelligently written? So what?

Have you read the book ?

I have read fraudulent books and at most they could go to 10 to 50 pages and filled with garbage this book contains 385 pages of condensed well taught out messages intelligently put and in a logical order that don't seem to be in conflict with catholic teaching, not conclusive proof but it ticks a box again proof is in the reading.

Gumbi · 27-09-2012 10:23PM

It doesn't tick any box. One does not need divine inspiration to write like that. Simply being "logical, well-thought out and consistent with Catholic teachings" is evidence of nothing.

Baggio1 · 28-09-2012 02:00PM

i got it in the post this morning, ive read a lot of the website already,, but would like to go through early parts of it....

its up to each individuale to make of it what they will.. am always loathe to dismiss see'rs unless am convinced their con artists.. but will agree with OP.. the amount of church going people who really have NOOO idea they are in end times etc,,, and yes you hear regulary at mass.. and through the mass every week,, the mention of "the coming of our lord and saviour Jesus Christ" but how many REALLLYYY believe it?.. i doubt many at all.. and yes the "father ted blank stare" is a great way to sum up the looks you get if you even mention it to clergy and laity alike,, ahahhaa funny really.

i wonder are there ANY clergy willing to actually speak about it at a sermon just what are they scared of??? they either believe in the 2nd coming or they dont!.. if they dont? - then what the heck are they doing being a priest!?

perhaps their scared of having to relate what will lead up to the 2nd coming? a world wide blood letting of christians under the ac?.. well thats what WILL happen according to revelations,,, its better to speak the truth rather then be scared of it.

Gumbi · 28-09-2012 02:46PM

You accept extraordinary claims at face value until proven otherwise? Wow. To me, that's indicative of an extremely gullible personality.

hellodolly · 29-09-2012 08:49PM

The ''current'' volume costs €15 and available in 51 countries!!! The NEXT volume is due out any day folks so it's not a one-off book written for the betterment of man really is it? It's a way for yet another clever fraudster to take money from all the guillible conspiracy theorists (this obvioulsy being a prime year for this kind of fraud, being 2012, mayan calendar rubbish etc etc) ...

I would be pulling out the dictionary, theasaurus and every article/document/nostrodamus/fairytale I could find and do the same.... and laugh.all.the.way.to.the.bank.... IF I wanted to deceive people out of their cash that it.

And ''seer's'' are really nothing more than fortune tellers for (not on behalf of) the church...and isn't fortune-telling against the catholic faith?

By the by, priests believe in GOD not anonymous storytellers SELLING their spiritual knowledge ONLINE.... The Father Ted stare is just the poor priest trying to be nice and not blurt out that you are stupid for believing is such CRAP!! Get a grip on reality people, seriously.

lmaopml · 29-09-2012 11:40PM

There is always some seer out there....somebody who claims knowledge of some sort or other - it's a minefield.

I think the best thing is to not concentrate too much on various 'seers', or to usher in for our own gratification the end or the beginning of the new age because we don't decide that, we all place our hope in Christ, we are careful of those who prophesy, but we ground ourselves in Christ and chose wisely. Personal revelation is not binding - Christ is. We're Christians.

newmug · 30-09-2012 12:34PM

There's some failry daring stuff on the website. One of the latest messages says "prepare to witness signs from Heaven". If its a fraud, obviously nothing will happen. But what if the comets colliding that it predicts actually happens?

Gumbi · 30-09-2012 01:36PM

newmug wrote: »

There's some failry daring stuff on the website. One of the latest messages says "prepare to witness signs from Heaven". If its a fraud, obviously nothing will happen. But what if the comets colliding that it predicts actually happens?

Unless the claims are specific in their predictions, one cannot take them seriously. Otherwise it's just confirmation bias. Even if they'd do occur, you STILL need to demonstrate their divinity.

I will concede, however, that an extraordinarily specific claim, if it were to occur, would warrant a thorough investigation.

Northclare · 30-09-2012 01:48PM

totus tuus wrote: »

Shouldn't private revelations be approved by the CDF before being circulated! In the case of MDM, that has not happened!

Is this quote a joke :S

totus tuus · 30-09-2012 01:59PM

Northclare wrote: »

Is this quote a joke :S

Why would you think so, it's a serious question!

The Vatican has warned against the writings and messages from 'seers' such as Vassula Ryden.

http://www.miraclehunter.com/marian_apparitions/statements/switz_ryden_comm.html

newmug · 30-09-2012 02:01PM

Gumbi wrote: »

Unless the claims are specific in their predictions, one cannot take them seriously. Otherwise it's just confirmation bias. Even if they'd do occur, you STILL need to demonstrate their divinity.

I will concede, however, that an extraordinarily specific claim, if it were to occur, would warrant a thorough investigation.

Well they are extremely specific!

It says two comets are going to collide near Earth, the result of which will be a huge cross, visible everywhere on Earth for a few days. Then Jesus will appear to each one of us, and do a sort of life review. After this, there will be the third world war, in which the antichrist will come out as a peace leader, and he'll take over the world and create a new world order, the downside of which is that Christianity will be outlawed, punishable by death. Then Jesus will come back and take any remaining Christians to Heaven, and kill the antichrist.

Thats the gist of it anyway. Its the end of the world type stuff. IIRC this is all supposed to happen by November this year.

As you say, even if these things DID happen, you would still need to be sure it was Jesus's doings, and not the other fellas.

Northclare wrote: »

Is this quote a joke :S

Explain what you mean?!?!?!?1

Onesimus · 30-09-2012 02:10PM

totus tuus wrote: »

Why would you think so, it's a serious question!

The Vatican has warned against the writings and messages from 'seers' such as Vassula Ryden.

http://www.miraclehunter.com/marian_apparitions/statements/switz_ryden_comm.html

Wrong, there is nothing wrong with tlig and it has been given the imprimatur and nihil obstat. The CDF notification of 1995 is evidence of how the Church gets things wrong, like in the case of St.Faustina. Since the 1995 notification the alleged errors in the messages given to Vassula have been cleared up in the presence of His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI. However the 1995 remains in effect until the messages are officially approved, and that will likely be a long time unfortunately. But until then people are given the ok to read the messages.

http://www.cdf-tlig.org/ <<< this site explains it all.

ehcocmeo · 30-09-2012 02:17PM

MDM is an anonymous fraud who is racking in thousands from these publications.,

Anyway She/ or HE has been been proved wrong many times as things she or he has predicted did not come to pass. MDM is just a mash of other revelations.

totus tuus · 30-09-2012 02:19PM

Onesimus wrote: »

Wrong, there is nothing wrong with tlig and it has been given the imprimatur and nihil obstat. The CDF notification of 1995 is evidence of how the Church gets things wrong, like in the case of St.Faustina. Since the 1995 notification the alleged errors in the messages given to Vassula have been cleared up in the presence of His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI. However the 1995 remains in effect until the messages are officially approved, and that will likely be a long time unfortunately. But until then people are given the ok to read the messages.

http://www.cdf-tlig.org/ <<< this site explains it all.

Thanks Onesimus, that is reason why I asked in post #3 if certain messages needed Vatican approval, there are many mixed messages out there for and against, and I wanted to know either way. Thanks for the link!

Onesimus · 30-09-2012 02:20PM

ehcocmeo wrote: »

MDM is an anonymous fraud who is racking in thousands from these publications.,

Anyway She/ or HE has been been proved wrong many times as things she or he has predicted did not come to pass. MDM is just a mash of other revelations.

I've never really had a look at it. There are many many many false prophets out there and they fall on us like rain. But often the true ones who are few get mistaken for the Rain too instead of Sunshine so we need to be careful.

So far my favourites are Garabandal, Medjugorje and True Life in God.

totus tuus · 30-09-2012 02:59PM

Onesimus wrote: »

I've never really had a look at it. There are many many many false prophets out there and they fall on us like rain. But often the true ones who are few get mistaken for the Rain too instead of Sunshine so we need to be careful.

So far my favourites are Garabandal, Medjugorje and True Life in God.

Among my favs is Fatima, Akita, and Medjugorje!

scidive · 30-09-2012 10:28PM

ehcocmeo wrote: »

MDM is an anonymous fraud who is racking in thousands from these publications.,

Anyway She/ or HE has been been proved wrong many times as things she or he has predicted did not come to pass. MDM is just a mash of other revelations.

Thats a strong statement to make that he/she is a fraud you could be right but you would want to be 100% sure.Can you list were the predictions were wrong.

If they are genuine messages undermining the messages is interfering in the work of the holy spirit and would in fact be sinfull as souls could be lost as a result of the interference.

Onesimus · 30-09-2012 10:36PM

totus tuus wrote: »

Among my favs is Fatima, Akita, and Medjugorje!

If thats the case then you will be very interested to know that one of the Churchs top Marian theologians, Rene Laurentin, was a huge believer in Medjugorje and studied the messages and that he also studied and wrote about True Life in God ( Vassula Ryden ) and went on a lot of the tlig retreats.

Also: Fr Petar Ljubicic is a central figure in the Medjugorje events. He is the priest to whom the visionary, Mirjana, will announce the Secrets ten days before they take place. He will announce them to the world three days before.
Fr Petar joined the 2011 True Life in God pilgrimage in Rome and agreed to give this interview during it. He explains how he first met Vassula.
For information on the Vatican's investigation of Vassula and True Life in God, please view http://www.cdf-tlig.org A report on the pilgrimage is available at: http://www.tligpilgrimages.org/rome.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4YvmNyBqu8

Northclare · 30-09-2012 11:34PM

Northclare wrote: »

totus tuus wrote: »

Shouldn't private revelations be approved by the CDF before being circulated! In the case of MDM, that has not happened!

Is this quote a joke :S

Approved by the CDF sure how can a man made organization approve revelations,it's either a revelation or not.

Come on man don't mind the hierarchy they only approve anything that satisfies their selfishness and egos...

mdebets · 01-10-2012 10:24AM

scidive wrote: »

Thats a strong statement to make that he/she is a fraud you could be right but you would want to be 100% sure.Can you list were the predictions were wrong.

Can you proof that any predictions was true?

scidive wrote: »

If they are genuine messages undermining the messages is interfering in the work of the holy spirit and would in fact be sinfull as souls could be lost as a result of the interference.

But if the messages were genuine, isn't MDM interfering in the work of the holy spirit and acting in fact sinfull as souls could be lost as a result of the interference, as she is selling the message, rather than giving it away for free.

Northclare · 01-10-2012 10:56AM

mdebets wrote: »

scidive wrote: »

Thats a strong statement to make that he/she is a fraud you could be right but you would want to be 100% sure.Can you list were the predictions were wrong.

Can you proof that any predictions was true?

scidive wrote: »

If they are genuine messages undermining the messages is interfering in the work of the holy spirit and would in fact be sinfull as souls could be lost as a result of the interference.

But if the messages were genuine, isn't MDM interfering in the work of the holy spirit and acting in fact sinfull as souls could be lost as a result of the interference, as she is selling the message, rather than giving it away for free.

That's a powerful response

scidive · 02-10-2012 10:39PM

mdebets wrote: »

Can you proof that any predictions was true?

The main theme of this book is a warning of things to come. As a warning is about further events they cannot be proven as yet.

No doubt I and many others will be looking at events in time to come and assess whether the books predictions are correct or not. Such events I am keeping an eye on are

who will succeed the current pope

will events in middle east escalate into a full scale war

will china and russia get involved in this war

will europe/usa begin to crack down on christianity make many of its beliefs illegal

scidive · 02-10-2012 11:18PM

But if the messages were genuine, isn't MDM interfering in the work of the holy spirit and acting in fact sinfull as souls could be lost as a result of the interference, as she is selling the message, rather than giving it away for free.[/QUOTE]

Most forms of messages of MDM are given out freely, they are free to view on the website, they are free to view on u tube, each message can be printed out for free in pdf format onto any printer as many copies as you want and you can even download the full e book for free and print off as many as you want and give to whom ever you want.

The cost of publishing and printing each book does not come cheap just buy an ink cartridge and you won't be long finding out how expensive it is to print a book of 385 pages. For those that can afford it they can buy the book and If there is any profit made on the book I imagine its used to maintain the website and to spread the messages even more.

Rather than this person interfering in the messages he or she has managed to impressively ( almost superhuman again or as some would argue divine intervention ) spread the messages world wide translating into different languages anything from Armenian to chinese, german to Arabic.

noctis · 03-10-2012 07:18PM

scidive wrote: »

But if the messages were genuine, isn't MDM interfering in the work of the holy spirit and acting in fact sinfull as souls could be lost as a result of the interference, as she is selling the message, rather than giving it away for free.
Most forms of messages of MDM are given out freely, they are free to view on the website, they are free to view on u tube, each message can be printed out for free in pdf format onto any printer as many copies as you want and you can even download the full e book for free and print off as many as you want and give to whom ever you want.

The cost of publishing and printing each book does not come cheap just buy an ink cartridge and you won't be long finding out how expensive it is to print a book of 385 pages. For those that can afford it they can buy the book and If there is any profit made on the book I imagine its used to maintain the website and to spread the messages even more.

Rather than this person interfering in the messages he or she has managed to impressively ( almost superhuman again or as some would argue divine intervention ) spread the messages world wide translating into different languages anything from Armenian to chinese, german to Arabic.

so how much do you get for each sale yourself?

hellodolly · 03-10-2012 07:35PM

Scidive you are determined to believe in a website and a book that costs 15 euro without even knowing the real name of the person/company that is behind it all. Surely you know this is gulibility at it's purest?

I have seen this book and held it in my own hands and in fact read some of it, is just a catalogue of all the ''messages'' that were received last year and of course this year's collection will be published very shortly, just before The Warning in fact (wow good timing) ... It could not have cost any more than say 7 euro each to produce/get to the seller's hands. So already a profit of 8 euro per unit. The website obviously cost thousands to build initially and has a very good selling section using visa etc to be able to pay for this book. These things costs thousands to run; it's not a one-off payment, it's an ongoing concern...a business if you will. The website is updated daily with ''messages'' and some-one/a group of people run the sales dept....So what married mother sitting at home with her two little children while the husband goes out to work in his menial job can afford such expenses?

"The European's messages" as all the religious conspiracy theorists like to call "him/her" is just yet another garden path that you all want to be led up for what ever reason you have or don't have. What date in November is this all supposed to happen on again? What happens when this date comes and goes and there are no comets meeting in the sky and no big red cross to look up at? and Jesus doesn't come to visit you? Will you come on here then and say you were wrong? That you made a mistake and you shouldn't have spread lies in the name of Jesus? Because that is what I will be saying to the person I know who's going around doing it.

Even if a war broke out/an earthquake kills people/a volcano explodes...the last two happen obviously because of nature - relating these events to any kind of religious event/doomsday prophacy has long been known to be the beliefs only of mad-men and wars break out all the time, mainly to do WITH religion!! Nothin gets the bombs flying like two religious fanatical groups falling out with each other.

I'm really looking forward to Christmas this year...because by then this nonsense with be over and done with and I won't have to listen to this crazy talk in my own home ... until the next "end of the world seer" comes along!! (believe me...I've heard all this crap before!!!)

The Book of Truth

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