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Speed camera mega-thread ***Read first post before posting***

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    #2192
    Wolverine_1999
    Registered Users Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭Wolverine_1999


    I'll just enlighten the mood here..

    Speed Cameras SUCK!

    There is not a day goes by that ANY driver can say to you that they did NOT break the speed limit. (Whether it is 55 in a 50 zone or 105 in a 100 zone).

    These new cameras will penalise you for this. I never understand then why people do 60 in a 50 zone.. you might as well do 80, you'll still get the same fine :rolleyes:

    And yes, there have been countless reports in this thread where people get fined for these measly differences (I have also seen them in the flesh..). There's my proof :p


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    #2193
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    -Corkie- wrote: »
    This thread is going round in circles so lets brighten it up.....

    189359_10150255720760671_588465670_8161883_4209319_n.jpg
    Snopes.com says this is fake.


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    #2194
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Tragedy wrote: »
    Aren't you the poster who constantly insists on people providing evidence to back up their assertions, when they provide said evidence, you ignore it and refuse to debate it?

    And of course, your 'camp' is the correct, logical and knowledgable one and you aren't just as guilty as head in the sand LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING THAT CONTRAVENES MY DEEPLY HELD BELIEFS nonsense that the other 'camp' engages in.

    Of course not.

    Just as Irishspeedtraps conveniently ignores awkward facts that go against some of his opinions/beliefs, so do you and cyclopath. More so than (s)he does in my reading of this forum.

    It's getting pretty fécking tiresome too, and I wish the three of you just would just go and get yourself banned.



    Evidence is what counts, not beliefs.

    This is what informs my opinions, so attack the available evidence, rather than just wishing that people presenting these arguments would go away.

    Here are three papers just waiting for you to refute their findings.

    Wilson 2010 - Speed cameras for the prevention of road traffic injuries and deaths. Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/o/cochrane/clsysrev/articles/CD004607/frame.html

    Pilkington 2005 - Effectiveness of speed cameras in preventing road traffic collisions and related casualties: systematic review. British Medical Journal. 2005;330:331-334.
    http://www.bmj.com/cgi/reprint/330/7487/331

    Elvik 2004 - Speed, speed cameras and road safety evaluation research: a presentation given to the Royal Statistical Society.
    http://membership.rss.org.uk/rssadmin/uploads/3952_Rune%20Elvik%20paper.pdf


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    #2195
    Joe 90
    Registered Users Posts: 889 ✭✭✭Joe 90


    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    Snopes.com says this is fake.
    Obviously fake, the Sidewinder is a heat seeker.


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    #2196
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Wolverine_1999 wrote: »
    I'll just enlighten the mood here..

    Speed Cameras SUCK!

    There is not a day goes by that ANY driver can say to you that they did NOT break the speed limit. (Whether it is 55 in a 50 zone or 105 in a 100 zone).

    These new cameras will penalise you for this. I never understand then why people do 60 in a 50 zone.. you might as well do 80, you'll still get the same fine :rolleyes:

    And yes, there have been countless reports in this thread where people get fined for these measly differences (I have also seen them in the flesh..). There's my proof :p




    Speed+cmaeras+in+disguise.jpg


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    #2197
    cyclopath2001
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭cyclopath2001


    -Chris- wrote: »
    Attack the post, not the poster please....I asked for you to provide quotes to back up your opinion, or for Irishspeedtraps to clarify their position....I don't know or care what Irishspeedtraps (or other posters) post on other websites, our debate is happening on boards.ie.
    IrishSpeedTraps wrote:
    We have speed traps to make money, plain and simple.
    I think this clarifies the meaning.

    I'm still waiing to see evidence that this is the case.


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    #2198
    -Chris-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭-Chris-


    Cheers for digging that up. Hopefully Irishspeedtraps will clarify/back-up his position.


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    #2199
    I.S.T.
    Registered Users Posts: 893 ✭✭✭I.S.T.


    cyclopath2001 wrote: »
    I think this clarifies the meaning.

    I'm still waiing to see evidence that this is the case.

    I am stating an opinion, a personal opinion does not require evidence. However I have asked for the data on the detection and accident rate, and revenue raised from each speed camera locations from the Gardai, but they won't release it. Why are they hiding the information? It leads me to that conclusion that at least some of the camera locations are motivated by profit, rather than road safety. However without the data from the Gardai, I cannot prove this as you point out.

    On the other hand your claim that any excess funds raised from speeding fines goes back into funding emergency services is being stated by you as a fact, therefore should be backed up. In fact I am not trying to trip you up by asking about this, I am genuinely interested and it is an important point. It could even change some people's negative view of speed traps into a positive one, so why won't you tell us where you heard this fact? I am not the only one to ask, a mod also asked you where you got this information. So tell us, did it come from an official source, or is it merely an assumption of yours?


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    #2200
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Are those small speed limit signs legal? They are around the size of a dinner plate? Why are they used instead of the regular speed signs? You see them on roads which are patrolled by speed cameras. Seems very cynical to me.


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    #2201
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    They are indeed, for repeater signs only; i.e. you should have already passed a larger sign before you start seeing the smaller ones.
    See Table 5.9 in Ch. 5 of the 2010 Traffic Signs Manual


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    #2202
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    But why bother with smaller signs. They still erect the same size poll. There should be one standard size.


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    #2203
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    They are simply reminders. People complain when there aren't enough signs. People complain when there are but they're not big enough. :D


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    #2204
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Well in fairness it's a legitimate complaint. I've no penalty points :D and have no interest in speeding or breaking the speed limit. They go to the expense of digging a hole placing concrete and a tubular pole to hold a sign and then put a dinner plate onto it. It's bad design. And typical of road design standards in this country.


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    #2205
    cyclopath2001
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭cyclopath2001


    IrishSpeedTraps wrote: »
    I am stating an opinion, a personal opinion does not require evidence.
    The value of your opinion depends on the facts or reasoning that support it.

    It is reasonable to assume that if there are any net proceeds, these benefit the exchequer which itself provides funds for emergency services. It's tenuous, but a statement based on reason.

    It is not reasonable to assume that speed cameras exist, as you allege: 'to make money, plain and simple' when there are other strongly vaild reasons for their existance and when you have no evidence whatever that any money over and above operating costs is actually made.


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    #2206
    -Chris-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭-Chris-


    cyclopath2001 wrote: »
    The value of your opinion depends on the facts or reasoning that support it.

    And so, based on the fact that there are no links or facts to support the opinion, could you not just allocate a value of zero to the opinion and move on?

    He doesn't have evidence for his opinion, you have evidence for your opinion but admit it's based on pedantics.

    Everyone knows exactly where everyone else stands.

    Please move on!


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    #2207
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    But why bother with smaller signs. They still erect the same size poll. There should be one standard size.
    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    Well in fairness it's a legitimate complaint. I've no penalty points :D and have no interest in speeding or breaking the speed limit. They go to the expense of digging a hole placing concrete and a tubular pole to hold a sign and then put a dinner plate onto it. It's bad design. And typical of road design standards in this country.

    It's only a reminder -- if standard sizes were use people would think that the limit had just changed and there was a higher limit before the sign.


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    #2208
    Vicxas
    Registered Users Posts: 15,260 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Speed cameras are getting sneaky,

    I was coming into drogheda on the Mell road and one of them was parked in a car park space recording. Didnt even notice it till I drove past. Luckily I was only doing 30KPH


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    #2209
    JamesBond2010
    Registered Users Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭JamesBond2010


    this thread is turned into a joke same old T%%%% repeating the same thing over and over again.& abusing each other


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    #2210
    jimmynokia
    Registered Users Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    isnt this just so sweet
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    #2211
    meercat
    Registered Users Posts: 4,729 ✭✭✭meercat


    thanks jimmynokia
    where is that


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    #2212
    azul
    Registered Users Posts: 91 ✭✭azul


    This is a letter I wrote into the Irish Times last week which was not published
    . I'm sure the majority of posters would lynch me if they had a chance......or not??

    Sir
    Having just returned from a month in Leeds city where there are fixed speed cameras generously located throughout the city, I counted four on Burley road over a quarter mile stretch, I could not but notice the lack of same over here. One could clearly see the effect that this amount of cameras had on traffic, especially in a built up area such as Burley road. I noticed that drivers in Leeds kept a safe distance between cars, sticking to the limit with very little, if any, speeding and dangerous overtaking. Here, I'm afraid, it appears to be quite different. Are there any fixed speed cameras in built up and urban areas in Ireland? I've never seen one. I'm not talking about ring roads and dual carriage ways, I'm talking about single lane roads in cities, towns and villages where there are cycle lanes and footpaths. In the couple of days I've been home I've had numerous drivers try to push me out of the way when I was adhering to the speed limit. One furious driver made a disturbing gesture and honked his horn when he finally found an opportunity to overtake, as if I was the one in the wrong. There seems to be a blatant lack of respect for speed limits over here by a minority of drivers. Some drivers seem to see speed limits as an unfair restriction on ones freedom to drive at ones preferred speed rather than actually there for the purpose of the drivers own safety and others. As an Irish driver I never though I'd say this, but I believe that speed cameras, and lots of them, are the only solution to speeding in this country, no matter what the cost.
    Yours . . . .


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    #2213
    paddyjoe1993
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭paddyjoe1993


    hello there i was driving to college this morning and i overtaking a car that was doing 80km and when i pulled back in i realised that there was a marked speed van facing towards me pulled in about 100meters ahead of me and at this stage i was doing 100km/hr. will i get done if i was a small bit over when i was overtaking the car but i think i stook it at 100km while overtaking but not to sure. can anyone help me.?


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    #2214
    cyclopath2001
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭cyclopath2001


    jimmynokia wrote: »
    isnt this just so sweet
    scaled.php?tn=0&server=618&filename=npavp.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640
    Ironic, maybe.

    Were you parked in the middle of the road while you took this picture?


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    #2215
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    He didn't take that picture. It is a very old picture that people seem to be recycling lately.


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    #2216
    paddyjoe1993
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭paddyjoe1993


    hello there i was driving to college this morning and i overtaking a car that was doing 80km and when i pulled back in i realised that there was a marked speed van facing towards me pulled in about 100meters ahead of me and at this stage i was doing 100km/hr. will i get done if i was a small bit over when i was overtaking the car but i think i stook it at 100km while overtaking but not to sure. can anyone help me.?


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    #2217
    Damien360
    Registered Users Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭Damien360


    paddyjoe1993 wrote: »
    hello there i was driving to college this morning and i overtaking a car that was doing 80km and when i pulled back in i realised that there was a marked speed van facing towards me pulled in about 100meters ahead of me and at this stage i was doing 100km/hr. will i get done if i was a small bit over when i was overtaking the car but i think i stook it at 100km while overtaking but not to sure. can anyone help me.?

    Depends on the picture. If 2 cars are in the picture submitted, the consensus is, it will be dumped as you cannot tell who is speeding and a lawyer would win that hands down. If on the other hand, you had completed the overtake and picture was then taken, I am afraid you should expect points. Reports here of fine in post within a week.


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    #2218
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    azul wrote: »
    This is a letter I wrote into the Irish Times last week which was not published
    . I'm sure the majority of posters would lynch me if they had a chance......or not??





    You're in the wrong...






















    ...about this bit, IMHO:
    azul wrote: »
    There seems to be a blatant lack of respect for speed limits over here by a minority of drivers.


    My perception, at least in the area where I travel regularly, is that the speed limit is routinely broken by a majority of drivers.

    The standard of driving at these excessive speeds is also shocking. I was overtaken recently, while signalling to make a right turn on a 50 km/h residential street in heavy rain, by two motorists travelling at what I reckon must have been 60-70 km/h.


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    #2219
    paddyjoe1993
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭paddyjoe1993


    Damien360 wrote: »
    Depends on the picture. If 2 cars are in the picture submitted, the consensus is, it will be dumped as you cannot tell who is speeding and a lawyer would win that hands down. If on the other hand, you had completed the overtake and picture was then taken, I am afraid you should expect points. Reports here of fine in post within a week.
    do they let you off if your just a few km over.?


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    #2220
    ironclaw
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    paddyjoe1993 wrote: »
    do they let you off if your just a few km over.?

    No.


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    #2221
    Oral Surgeon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭Oral Surgeon


    cyclopath2001 wrote: »
    All that is needed for the forces of evil to succeed is for enough good men to remain silent.

    Don't be so dramatic.....


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