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LISBON - What way will Clare vote this time?
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drunken_munky52 wrote: »Haha
Yeah, but thats actually the one thing I do not believe is going to happen... You are on about Planet X are you not?
OK, build the big zapper yokima bus thing... but stop building shhite like cruise missles, cluster munitions, etc. An utter waste... the brains that went into making them, if only they had been used to develop solutions for real problems in the world, like water shortages, famine, etc
We cant use a need for "defence" as a justification to keep strenghtening the military... we are not stone age men anymore, we can control ourselves now... this whole notion that war is human nature is a myth
So a military now, serves corporations, as was the case with Iraq... the most obvious use of the military for corporate profit
Nah Planet X is just merely going to collide and wipe us out just like it did away with the dinosaurs. The green guys are real and they ARE coming!
What about the military's role in places like Darfur?Also, we've got alot of inventions to thank the military for the biro being one:)0 -
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theasylumkey wrote: »I have not solely relied on this paper to come to a conclusion that all is not what it appears with the european union.....however there are various direct references to the treaty within this paper & quotations which have been independantly verified that cannot be ignored, if you honestly beleive that the European Union is not insidious in nature & is really striving to make the common good of all its citizens top of its agenda you are naive to say the least. Yes europe is good for business but thats exactly it, its good for buisnesses not the people who work in the businesses. The recent "rescue" of our banks is a glimpse of how buisness before people is the order of the day. We cannot allow our banks to fail but we can reduce child benefit & reduce health care budgets etc. etc. etc.
Europe ever closer means Buisness before people & so it ever has been driven since the foudation of capatalism.....but it is not even a true reflection of capatalism, the europe they want is a meger of Capatalism & Socialism for the wealthy elite. We pay to make the system work for the wealthy. Vote whatever way you want but my head aint in the clouds yours is.
There are references to the treaty, that doe not mean that the interpretations are not complete fabrications.
In answer to the bolded bit
Child benifit, heath budgets, NAMA etc -> Irish Government.0 -
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Joe Higgins, who exactly is he??
*Googles*
Ahh now I remember. I rather like that guy he's the one who looks out for workers, he's also so an atheist so I like that a lot(Prefer, Jimmy Carr though:)). While I disagree with his position on Lisbon, I just wanted to say that Joe Higgins is a good person with a moral attitude towards politics even if his views aren't always the right ones. Did you know that he only accepted have of the TD salary? Now that's nobility for you. He also spent a month in jail, now that's a sign of true activism caring for the community for you, and let's not forget his care for the GAMA workers so wrongfully mistreated by their company.
Joe Higgins, I salute you.
Now, Mr Higgins, I'd just like you to know, that when the green aliens do come (and they WILL come) our shelter will be ready, the folk at CERN will have their Dan Brown weapons perfected (named in honour ,of course, after the author who first popularly described them) and we will be able to defend ourselves - how effective we'll been depends on many things, but Mr Higgins I've no doubt in your bravery in the face of battle.
The battles will be fierce, but Joe, after your valiant (but hopefully failed) Lisbon Referendum, you will be able to cope with anyone or anything in the name of politics and the world. It is with these words that I finish my nonsensical letter, the only sense is coming after this : Vote Yes, it's better for all of us this way, and I won't be having to make stuff up about aliens to string you along,.
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Joe Higgins, who exactly is he??
That when the green aliens do come (and they WILL come) our shelter will be ready, the folk at CERN will have their Dan Brown weapons perfected (named in honour ,of course, after the author who first popularly described them) and we will be able to defend ourselves -
Vote Yes, it's better for all of us this way, and I won't be having to make stuff up about aliens to string you along,.
:rolleyes:
You are the alien Malty... you have blasted off from Planet X and secretly arrived on Earth before the mothership arrives... "to prepare us" for this... we are been set up by you beings, so that we will bow before their might in awe...
if we bend over and take it for Lisbon by voting yes, our will to resist is finished... and the aliens can come down a give us the good shafting they intend to... without fear of losing their teeth in the process...
Lisbon for life... NOT... those aliens will also be getting the two fingers I intend to point at Europe on referendum day0 -
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theasylumkey wrote: »"Public opinion will be led to
adopt, without knowing it, the
proposals that we dare not
present to them directly."
"All the earlier proposals will
be in the new text, but will be
hidden and disguised in some
way."
"What was already difficult
to understand will become
utterly incomprehensible, but
the substance has been
retained."
Words ofValéry Giscard d'Estaing -
Former French President
Headed committee that wrote the Lisbon Treaty
I'd advise you to read this http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055684513
He didnt head the committee that wrote the Lisbon Treaty either.
Surely people can come up with better than this crap. 0 -
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I'd advise you to read this http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055684513
He didnt head the committee that wrote the Lisbon Treaty either.
Surely people can come up with better than this crap.
So he headed the Drafting of the European constitution/Lisbon Treaty it virtually the same deal.........
I accept fully and stand corrected that the snippet i posted does appear to be taken out of context but after reading through the pages on the link provided it shows only that the man who headed the european constitution is dismayed & annoyed at the way the Lisbon Treaty is designed to hide away the context & meaning of what he worked on........But it (the lisbon treaty) presents European citizens with the idea that the European project is a mechanism organised behind their backs by lawyers and diplomats
So to summarise;
The man who headed the european constitution is pis.sed off at the way the Lisbon Treaty is hiding from the ordinary public what was rejected by the French & Dutch as it will lead public opinion to the conclusion that what is being presented to them is not transparent.
This itself shows that the european union is actually insidious in nature to achieve its goals which are not in the public interest.
You have successfully concreted the argument to Vote NO as why should the Treay have to conceal its content in order to be passed?
1. It is the same body of text really that has been rejected now three times by three seperate countrys which tells you in lay mans terms that the powers that be dont give a damn what you think all that is required from you is to agree.
2. It is not in the interest of the political establishment to have the general population understand the content of the document as if they do it will be rejected again (not acceptable).
One last thing i will note is your sig. Meglome.....41 billion for free from those EU Bastards.....its simple buisness figures really they give us 41 billion for this & that & we agree to allow the whole of the rest of europe (even land locked nations) to fish off our coasts which Nets the EU approx 200 billion back into the euorpean economy......not a bad deal turning 41 into 200 billion......now i know as a small nation we could never have fished that amount of stock so it makes sense to share the wealth but that said dont ever throw up as part of the argument that we owe so much to europe because of the funding they grant for this & that as we have contributed more than our fair share back into the Union.0 -
Has anyone browse any of the social sites, U Tube, Facebook, Bebo etc?
I believe the YES crowd are shi**ing in their trousers at the huge number of NO videos, hits and responses, so much so that the bookies have now changed their odds. You must remember that it was the younger crowd that swung the figures the last time, the same crowd that frequent these social networking sites. :pac:
This is one part where the YES sided propaganda machine fails to penetrate and the Government has no control over yet.
It may not last though because if the EU Parliament had its way it would introduce Internet Censorship and Blog banning. :eek:0 -
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Run_to_da_hills wrote: »Has anyone browse any of the social sites, U Tube, Facebook, Bebo etc?
I believe the YES crowd are shi**ing in their trousers at the huge number of NO videos, hits and responses, so much so that the bookies have now changed their odds. You must remember that it was the younger crowd that swung the figures the last time, the same crowd that frequent these social networking sites. :pac:
This is one part where the YES sided propaganda machine fails to penetrate and the Government has no control over yet.
I know, there are loads of videos that show the world is run by reptilians who are ready and willing to oppress and enslave us. I dunno what we'd do without anonymous internet videos that tell us the 'truth'.Run_to_da_hills wrote: »It may not last though because if the EU Parliament had its way it would introduce Internet Censorship and Blog banning. :eek:
Since the Lisbon treaty makes the EU more accountable then voting Yes is the only way to go. Thanks Rtdh for clearing that up. :eek:0
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