M11/N30 - Gorey to Enniscorthy [open to traffic]

LeinsterDub · 04-09-2017 4:24pm

jca wrote: »

They have them at scarawalsh too but no-one takes any notice. People are getting very fed up with the bloody bypass at this stage with all the road closures. The roadworks on the milehouse road don't help either. You'd need to bring sandwiches and a flask if you plan going from Enniscorthy to the Harrow or Marshalstown it's ridiculous at this stage.

Short term pain for long term gain.

jca · 04-09-2017 5:12pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Short term pain for long term gain.

If only it was short term, the marshalstown road was due to open in august, the way things are going with these bridges we'll be lucky to see them open before Christmas..

vicwatson · 04-09-2017 5:22pm

Those 50km areas are lethal, you do the 50 you get murdered from behind by other cars, you pull into the hard shoulder and gardai see you it's two penalty points, you do what is either side of it (100km/h) and there's a speed van I'd say the book be thrown at you for being twice over the limit, I hate hate hate driving through them. Very few obeying them, field day for "go safe"

blindsider · 04-09-2017 7:11pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Those 50km areas are lethal, you do the 50 you get murdered from behind by other cars, you pull into the hard shoulder and gardai see you it's two penalty points, you do what is either side of it (100km/h) and there's a speed van I'd say the book be thrown at you for being twice over the limit, I hate hate hate driving through them. Very few obeying them, field day for "go safe"

I don't understand this part....? Why would you get points?

LeinsterDub · 04-09-2017 7:26pm

jca wrote: »

If only it was short term, the marshalstown road was due to open in august, the way things are going with these bridges we'll be lucky to see them open before Christmas..

In terms of a road that will be there for hundreds of years. A few months is very short term

jca · 04-09-2017 8:56pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

In terms of a road that will be there for hundreds of years. A few months is very short term

That maybe so but they keep pushing back the opening times and closing roads before opening others. It's practically impossible to get to the Harrow from Enniscorthy and the signage is non existent. With the works going on on the milehouse road until October getting to Marshalstown is becoming a half day Safari. I think they underestimated how busy the roads that they closed actually are. Asquintion lane has become a lethal race track particularly in the mornings with stressed out yummy mummy bringing the little darlings to be educated in the toy jeep. They put a bend in the road in Scoby, a road to nowhere that's rarely used, maybe because they're getting water from Tommy Williamson's yard had something to do with it.

MichealD · 04-09-2017 10:44pm

jca wrote: »

That maybe so but they keep pushing back the opening times and closing roads before opening others. It's practically impossible to get to the Harrow from Enniscorthy and the signage is non existent. With the works going on on the milehouse road until October getting to Marshalstown is becoming a half day Safari. I think they underestimated how busy the roads that they closed actually are. Asquintion lane has become a lethal race track particularly in the mornings with stressed out yummy mummy bringing the little darlings to be educated in the toy jeep. They put a bend in the road in Scoby, a road to nowhere that's rarely used, maybe because they're getting water from Tommy Williamson's yard had something to do with it.

There's no doubt the various road closures are causing disruption but in the context of the huge piece of infrastructure being created and the fact it's almost circling the town the delays are unavoidable. The resurfacing from the Duffry to the Milehouse is probably more inconvenient but in fairness some of the work in Bellefield has been completed overnight. (They are lining the roads outside my house in Bellefield using a stop go system at the moment 10:40pm).

I don't understand why locals (if they're not living with a closed road section) are not taking a wider detour to avoid the works. The Harrow from Enniscorthy is a spin up the N11 to Ferns and a right turn with no disruption. Likewise Marshalstown a spin up the Bunclody road and a left turn. It's takes a little longer but there's no sitting in traffic.

According to the current TII traffic count data the current AADT through Enniscorthy is 16,512 vehicles the majority of which have no need to be driving through the town. I'm happy to put up with some pain for another 18 months to take a big proportion of this traffic especially HGV out of the town.

kneemos · 04-09-2017 10:56pm

MichealD wrote: »

There's no doubt the various road closures are causing disruption but in the context of the huge piece of infrastructure being created and the fact it's almost circling the town the delays are unavoidable. The resurfacing from the Duffry to the Milehouse is probably more inconvenient but in fairness some of the work in Bellefield has been completed overnight. (They are lining the roads outside my house in Bellefield using a stop go system at the moment 10:40pm).

I don't understand why locals (if they're not living with a closed road section) are not taking a wider detour to avoid the works. The Harrow from Enniscorthy is a spin up the N11 to Ferns and a right turn with no disruption. Likewise Marshalstown a spin up the Bunclody road and a left turn. It's takes a little longer but there's no sitting in traffic.

According to the current TII traffic count data the current AADT through Enniscorthy is 16,512 vehicles the majority of which have no need to be driving through the town. I'm happy to put up with some pain for another 18 months to take a big proportion of this traffic especially HGV out of the town.

You think traffic comes through Enniscorthy for the fun of it?

jca · 04-09-2017 10:57pm

MichealD wrote: »

There's no doubt the various road closures are causing disruption but in the context of the huge piece of infrastructure being created and the fact it's almost circling the town the delays are unavoidable. The resurfacing from the Duffry to the Milehouse is probably more inconvenient but in fairness some of the work in Bellefield has been completed overnight. (They are lining the roads outside my house in Bellefield using a stop go system at the moment 10:40pm).

I don't understand why locals (if they're not living with a closed road section) are not taking a wider detour to avoid the works. The Harrow from Enniscorthy is a spin up the N11 to Ferns and a right turn with no disruption. Likewise Marshalstown a spin up the Bunclody road and a left turn. It's takes a little longer but there's no sitting in traffic.

According to the current TII traffic count data the current AADT through Enniscorthy is 16,512 vehicles the majority of which have no need to be driving through the town. I'm happy to put up with some pain for another 18 months to take a big proportion of this traffic especially HGV out of the town.

Fair play to the lads doing the milehouse road they're doing a great job under tremendous pressure I've no problem with them. I really can't understand why they closed the Moyne before opening the marshalstown road especially with the works in the milehouse. I just hope to God they don't close the Kiltealy road or it'll be a total disaster, hopefully common sense will prevail and they'll bend the road like they've done in Scoby.

spacetweek · 04-09-2017 11:25pm

What do you mean, put a bend in the road? Diverted the road around the point where the overbridge will be built?

vicwatson · 04-09-2017 11:27pm

blindsider wrote: »

I don't understand this part....? Why would you get points?

Thought it was for driving in the hard shoulder but think that's just on motorways?

jca · 04-09-2017 11:55pm

spacetweek wrote: »

What do you mean, put a bend in the road? Diverted the road around the point where the overbridge will be built?

Yea, like they've done at the gap cross and scoby.

josip · 05-09-2017 9:32am

vicwatson wrote: »

Thought it was for driving in the hard shoulder but think that's just on motorways?

I believe that the intention of the law was to prevent people skipping long queues of traffic by undertaking along the hard shoulder. Usually in urban areas.
Often this queue would be for the next exit and driving along the hard shoulder would allow those whose time was more valuable, to skips 10s of cars.
In order to make that behaviour illegal, they had to enact a law with a wider scope.
But I would be very surprised if there's ever been a case brought against someone who moved in to allow someone else to pass where it was safe to do so.

vicwatson · 05-09-2017 9:40am

josip wrote: »

I believe that the intention of the law was to prevent people skipping long queues of traffic by undertaking along the hard shoulder. Usually in urban areas.
Often this queue would be for the next exit and driving along the hard shoulder would allow those whose time was more valuable, to skips 10s of cars.
In order to make that behaviour illegal, they had to enact a law with a wider scope.
But I would be very surprised if there's ever been a case brought against someone who moved in to allow someone else to pass where it was safe to do so.

You still get drivers bullying the crap out of you to push over just because you want to drive at the legal speed limit to the left hand side of the road. Sooner they get rid of these 50km/h zones the better.

jd · 05-09-2017 11:47am

josip wrote: »

I believe that the intention of the law was to prevent people skipping long queues of traffic by undertaking along the hard shoulder. Usually in urban areas.
Often this queue would be for the next exit and driving along the hard shoulder would allow those whose time was more valuable, to skips 10s of cars.
In order to make that behaviour illegal, they had to enact a law with a wider scope.
But I would be very surprised if there's ever been a case brought against someone who moved in to allow someone else to pass where it was safe to do so.

One big reason for this rule on motorways is to maintain access for emergeny vehicles.

josip · 05-09-2017 12:06pm

jd wrote: »

One big reason for this rule on motorways is to maintain access for emergeny vehicles.

They've a different approach in Germany/Austria.
https://www.help.gv.at/Portal.Node/hlpd/public/content/6/Seite.0650001.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pNX4AyYE6Y

It feels a bit strange coming from UK/Irl.

kneemos · 07-09-2017 3:58pm

A few of these rather impressive beams constructed at the Slaney crossing. Lifting them should be quite an operation.

Cantona's Collars · 08-09-2017 10:09am

kneemos wrote: »

A few of these rather impressive beams constructed at the Slaney crossing. Lifting them should be quite an operation.

Spotted those being lifted onto the site earlier in the week,had a car full and it was too busy on the road to get a picture.I'll probably be passing that way the weekend so I'll try to get a couple more pics to add to yours.

Cantona's Collars · 10-09-2017 8:19pm

Tried to get some decent photos of the Slaney bridge but security put paid to that. They have a massive crane on the West side of the river. Huge steel on site which is so big it blocks the view from the road. Noticed they have a new underpass built on the east side now.I'll wait until the steel is lifted into place to get pics.

Cantona's Collars · 13-09-2017 10:19am

Work to begin putting those beams in place on the 25 September until 2 October. The work is going to be done at night with the road closed from 9pm to 7am each night to facilitate the installation.

BoatMad · 13-09-2017 11:00am

I was down at Oilgate , are they seriously bring the motorway to an end before Oilgate , what genius taught that up

marno21 · 13-09-2017 11:17am

BoatMad wrote: »

I was down at Oilgate , are they seriously bring the motorway to an end before Oilgate , what genius taught that up

The same genius who was told that the N11 Oilgate to Rosslare Harbour scheme would be finished a couple of years after. But it didn't work out that way in reality

kneemos · 13-09-2017 11:35am

marno21 wrote: »

The same genius who was told that the N11 Oilgate to Rosslare Harbour scheme would be finished a couple of years after. But it didn't work out that way in reality

All the more reason to go beyond it.
Unless there was political interference coming from local businesses I can't see any method for their madness.

josip · 13-09-2017 11:41am

Some posters here have said that by bypassing Oylegate now, they would be limiting their options for the route of the remainder to Rosslare?

marno21 · 13-09-2017 11:57am

kneemos wrote: »

All the more reason to go beyond it.
Unless there was political interference coming from local businesses I can't see any method for their madness.

It's very similar in Galway, all traffic was diverted up the exit ramp at Gort as when the Gort-Crusheen scheme started it was thought that Gort-Athenry would be open a year or two after.

The recession turned that into 7 years later. Same with Enniscorthy, it was expected Oilgate-Rosslare would follow shortly. That wasn't the case - Oilgate-Rosslare is looking like 2024-2029 now.

BoatMad · 13-09-2017 12:19pm

marno21 wrote: »

It's very similar in Galway, all traffic was diverted up the exit ramp at Gort as when the Gort-Crusheen scheme started it was thought that Gort-Athenry would be open a year or two after.

The recession turned that into 7 years later. Same with Enniscorthy, it was expected Oilgate-Rosslare would follow shortly. That wasn't the case - Oilgate-Rosslare is looking like 2024-2029 now.

I pity the residents of Oilgate

jd · 13-09-2017 1:32pm

josip wrote: »

Some posters here have said that by bypassing Oylegate now, they would be limiting their options for the route of the remainder to Rosslare?

That route has been decided. (200 meter corridor). Congestion has been increasing at the N11/N25 junction (New Ross Roundabout outside Wexford). If they were to do it piecemal, the should probably do from Oylegate to here, but that would mean a new bridge and an improved junction.

vicwatson · 13-09-2017 11:25pm

jd wrote: »

That route has been decided. (200 meter corridor). Congestion has been increasing at the N11/N25 junction (New Ross Roundabout outside Wexford). If they were to do it piecemal, the should probably do from Oylegate to here, but that would mean a new bridge and an improved junction.

I think a 300 metre corridor

Oilgate ain't gonna be a problem in itself and not many businesses there to suffer in the first place, it's after you leave Oilgate southbound it's where it'll get messy with impatient driving etc.

jd · 13-09-2017 11:36pm

Sorry, yes, 300 meter corridor as I had mentioned earlier in the thread (typo)

BoatMad · 15-09-2017 12:16pm

vicwatson wrote: »

I think a 300 metre corridor

Oilgate ain't gonna be a problem in itself and not many businesses there to suffer in the first place, it's after you leave Oilgate southbound it's where it'll get messy with impatient driving etc.

I didnt mentioned business in Oilgate, its the residents

vicwatson · 17-09-2017 9:24am

BoatMad wrote: »

I didnt mentioned business in Oilgate, its the residents

It'll be a concentrated stream of traffic alright. I can see those traffic lights at the pedestrian crossing being used a lot more. Its a no-brainer to have carried on southbound to beyond Oilgate, however.

road_high · 18-09-2017 12:13am

marno21 wrote: »

It's very similar in Galway, all traffic was diverted up the exit ramp at Gort as when the Gort-Crusheen scheme started it was thought that Gort-Athenry would be open a year or two after.

The recession turned that into 7 years later. Same with Enniscorthy, it was expected Oilgate-Rosslare would follow shortly. That wasn't the case - Oilgate-Rosslare is looking like 2024-2029 now.

I can't see the rest of the N11 being a huge priority after the new scheme opens. There's too little funding available for far more chronic schemes than to replace a relatively new road that opened in the late 80s/early 90s. Some improvements could be made to Wexford bypass roundabouts and possibly even dual a section if it.
There's some busier N primaries that haven't changed in alignment since the 50s. It's their turn knowing how slow funding will be.

Reuben1210 · 18-09-2017 3:32pm

road_high wrote: »

I can't see the rest of the N11 being a huge priority after the new scheme opens. There's too little funding available for far more chronic schemes than to replace a relatively new road that opened in the late 80s/early 90s. Some improvements could be made to Wexford bypass roundabouts and possibly even dual a section if it.
There's some busier N primaries that haven't changed in alignment since the 50s. It's their turn knowing how slow funding will be.

True, but under an EU directive, the Rosslare route must be motorway.

Aontachtoir · 18-09-2017 3:55pm

Reuben1210 wrote: »

road_high wrote: »

I can't see the rest of the N11 being a huge priority after the new scheme opens. There's too little funding available for far more chronic schemes than to replace a relatively new road that opened in the late 80s/early 90s. Some improvements could be made to Wexford bypass roundabouts and possibly even dual a section if it.
There's some busier N primaries that haven't changed in alignment since the 50s. It's their turn knowing how slow funding will be.

True, but under an EU directive, the Rosslare route must be motorway.

Nice. In that case it should be eligible for EU TEN-T funding.

marno21 · 18-09-2017 4:04pm

Reuben1210 wrote: »

True, but under an EU directive, the Rosslare route must be motorway.

No, it mustn't. It's TEN-T comprehensive so expressway is sufficient, and this only applies to new builds where level of service drops below a certain level.

Dublin, Cork (Ringaskiddy) and Shannon-Foynes are the Core ports in Ireland. Brexit may lead to a change in this but as it stands Rosslare is comprehensive.

Reuben1210 · 18-09-2017 6:21pm

marno21 wrote: »

No, it mustn't. It's TEN-T comprehensive so expressway is sufficient, and this only applies to new builds where level of service drops below a certain level.

Dublin, Cork (Ringaskiddy) and Shannon-Foynes are the Core ports in Ireland. Brexit may lead to a change in this but as it stands Rosslare is comprehensive.

Ah ok my bad! I thought that it was core and there was a directive from Europe saying all major ports must be connected by motorway!

BelfastVanMan · 18-09-2017 7:04pm

Reuben1210 wrote: »

marno21 wrote: »

No, it mustn't. It's TEN-T comprehensive so expressway is sufficient, and this only applies to new builds where level of service drops below a certain level.

Dublin, Cork (Ringaskiddy) and Shannon-Foynes are the Core ports in Ireland. Brexit may lead to a change in this but as it stands Rosslare is comprehensive.

Ah ok my bad! I thought that it was core and there was a directive from Europe saying all major ports must be connected by motorway!

High quality roads is the key phrase they use; sure the N69 new build from the new N21 to Foynes will be single carriageway, and it's leading to a core port.

The fact that it will be be a grade-seperated single carriageway is sufficiently high standard, in their eyes, seemingly.

road_high · 18-09-2017 8:33pm

And the last upgrade early 90s was majorly EU funded at the time, I remember my dad talking about it. How they (N11 and N25) were "euro routes" and that meant extra EU funding at the time.
And the likes of the N20, N21, N24 etc have huge sections that were barely touched in that time. Further N11 is rock bottom of my list anyhow, I'm only early 30s and I can remember the current N11 being built...

viper87 · 21-09-2017 7:23pm

vicwatson wrote: »

It'll be a concentrated stream of traffic alright. I can see those traffic lights at the pedestrian crossing being used a lot more. Its a no-brainer to have carried on southbound to beyond Oilgate, however.

The bypass of oilgate is included in the oilgate to rosslare section which is at route selection stage (https://www.wexfordcoco.ie/roads-travel-and-parking/national-roads-projects/n11n25-oilgate-rosslare-harbour). The last km of the Enniscorthy bypass on the oilgate side will be 2+1 with a speed limit of 100km/h. With a roundabout on the current N11

jd · 21-09-2017 8:04pm

viper87 wrote: »

The bypass of oilgate is included in the oilgate to rosslare section which is at route selection stage

The route has been selected (300 meter corridor)
https://www.wexfordcoco.ie/sites/default/files/content/roads/Preferred%20Route%20Corridor%20Maps.pdf

Cantona's Collars · 06-10-2017 11:12pm

And now.Sorry for the fuzzy image.

jca · 06-10-2017 11:32pm

I see a partial skin of tar on the bridge at the gap cross, it looks very narrow. Work is finally starting to be done on the Oulart road at Finchogue. They're back at the bridge on the Marshlstown road in earnest, not before time considering it was supposed to be open in August!!

kneemos · 07-10-2017 6:29am

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

And now.Sorry for the fuzzy image.

Any idea what those arches are foe?

Cantona's Collars · 07-10-2017 8:00am

kneemos wrote: »

Any idea what those arches are foe?

That's a flood plain,they'll build up over the arches which are there to allow water through when the river floods.

serfboard · 09-10-2017 5:38pm

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

That's a flood plain,they'll build up over the arches which are there to allow water through when the river floods.

Wow! Planning! Is this Ireland we're talking about?

jca · 09-10-2017 5:41pm

serfboard wrote: »

Wow! Planning! Is this Ireland we're talking about?

That piece of land has been regularly under 10 feet of water, they've been so lucky building this road there's hardly been a drop of rain to speak of.

BoatMad · 09-10-2017 8:21pm

very obvious earthworks just be the end of the current M11 now

m17 · 12-10-2017 7:59am

Bridge under construction at the urrin river 06/10/17

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m17 · 12-10-2017 7:47pm

Close up of the arches

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kneemos · 12-10-2017 7:53pm

They're purely to preserve the little critters presumably? Like those bat caves they built everywhere.

M11/N30 - Gorey to Enniscorthy [open to traffic]

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