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New 29k colour livery

  • 25-03-2014 2:58pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭


    Anyone seen or have pics of the supposedly new 29K livery scheme ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,175 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    i didn't know they were planning a new one for the 29s, nothing wrong with the current one, much more important things to be spending money on rather then something unnecessary like this

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    i didn't know they were planning a new one for the 29s, nothing wrong with the current one, much more important things to be spending money on rather then something unnecessary like this

    It does seem a waste of money, apparently its two tone green and has been spotted by a few people but no pics


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Nibs05 wrote: »
    It does seem a waste of money, apparently its two tone green and has been spotted by a few people but no pics

    It's part of life cycle, 10+ years so far with current paint job. Would expect when they are due for a repaint they will be done like the 2600 and 2800 units. Can't see why the 2900 would be completly different to the rest of the fleet which is yellow/sliver/green.

    http://thewandererphotos.smugmug.com/2014Photos/March-2014#!/i-Wf7xs6R


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Probably because the 29ks are Commuter branding so they get their own livery like the DARTs have their own. The 26,28 and 22 all have the Irish Rail livery because they can end up almost anywhere. The Mk4s are different to everything else besides the 201s in the same livery.

    I have noticed for months now that the 29s are not being repainted the paint is flaking badly around the cabs and drivers door missing lots of paint. It's exactly like how the DD stock went before they got the sliver and green Enterprise livery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Probably because the 29ks are Commuter branding so they get their own livery like the DARTs have their own. The 26,28 and 22 all have the Irish Rail livery because they can end up almost anywhere. The Mk4s are different to everything else besides the 201s in the same livery.

    I have noticed for months now that the 29s are not being repainted the paint is flaking badly around the cabs and drivers door missing lots of paint. It's exactly like how the DD stock went before they got the sliver and green Enterprise livery.

    You may have a point however the whole point of the logo change was to get rid of "commuter" and "intercity" branding. As 22 operate some commuter service and 29 operate some Intercity service I will be very surprised if they are different to the current colours on 26,28 etc. 2600 Cork commuter so one would expect them to be the same as 29000 in that case.

    Mark 4's are a different story and wouldn't be due a change for a few years at least. My favourite of them all.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    I can confirm it is a completely different livery to that of any other rolling stock.

    It is a dark two toned green, that came out of the paint shop late last week.

    The set that has been done is 29017.

    I am sure there will be photos when the set leaves "The Works".

    Not sure if I like it, but some of the 29000s are a bit shabby especially around the cab ends and would be due a repaint anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,175 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    the whole point of the logo change was to get rid of "commuter" and "intercity" branding. As 22 operate some commuter service and 29 operate some Intercity service

    and that of course is the problem, they want to interchange commuter and intercity sets around on all routes rather then bothering to make sure the respective sets operate on the routes they are designed for

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    and that of course is the problem, they want to interchange commuter and intercity sets around on all routes rather then bothering to make sure the respective sets operate on the routes they are designed for

    Yep, the Rosslare line services were top of the list when making the decisions. :rolleyes: but seriously do you really believe that the reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,175 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Yep, the Rosslare line services were top of the list when making the decisions. but seriously do you really believe that the reason.
    where irish rail are concerned i wouldn't be surprised what the reason is, commuter trains should be running commuter routes and long distance designed trains should be running long distance routes, its common sense, but isn't happening, theirs no excuse for it

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    Here we go, very nice in my opinion


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  • Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭metrovick001


    Thats GREEN!
    Ya certainly wouldn't lose it.
    Nibs05 wrote: »
    Here we go, very nice in my opinion


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Your average commuter won't be able to tell the difference between a DART and Commuter train now. If they are the same colour they are the same train, that's what most people go by and don't look for physical differences. Can't wait for the first pic of one of those in the new livery hauling a DART.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    that is excellent


  • Registered Users Posts: 912 ✭✭✭Hungerford


    Your average commuter won't be able to tell the difference between a DART and Commuter train now.

    Cue rush hour chaos. Note how they have dropped the Commuter branding - obviously they intend to keep sending them to Sligo and Rosslare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Can't believe I am typing this but IE have done well, looks great.

    It actually makes the logo look a little better to!


  • Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    Another one i got sent

    Looks very U.K. like to me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Wow. Anyone getting an 80s vibe?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Your average commuter won't be able to tell the difference between a DART and Commuter train now. If they are the same colour they are the same train, that's what most people go by and don't look for physical differences. Can't wait for the first pic of one of those in the new livery hauling a DART.

    There'll be many of those mistakes made alright. Cue a train arriving in Skerries direct with a passenger crying because they wanted to get off in Killester :rolleyes:

    All their own fault, of course, for being silly and not paying attention to RTPI, announcements, timetables, screens in carriages, or noticing that it's a noisy and totally different type of train than usual.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 611 ✭✭✭MGWR


    Your average commuter won't be able to tell the difference between a DART and Commuter train now. If they are the same colour they are the same train, that's what most people go by and don't look for physical differences. Can't wait for the first pic of one of those in the new livery hauling a DART.
    Wonder how they managed in pre-DART days, when all but the Dublin-Cork Mark 2D "Supertrains" looked like this, colour-scheme wise.
    Geograph-1660973-by-Aubrey-Dale.jpg

    And it seems that IE is stuck on thinking that a different colour coat of paint will make any difference to the service other than to waste money.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    The unit was due a repaint...how is that wasting money?..and it doesn't look anything like a Dart!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    corktina wrote: »
    The unit was due a repaint...how is that wasting money?..and it doesn't look anything like a Dart!

    It doesn't look like a DART to me or you who are into trains but I showed this pic to my folks tonight and they said so, it's just a DART.

    And a few times I have been at Pearse in the late afternoon and the PA system and display would say the next train is for Maynooth and a DART arrives 3mins later. Happens a good bit where the system mixes up the order of north bound DART and Commuter trains. This will make it even more fun. Might actually make people stop going around like zombies being spoon fed info and take an interest in what they are doing and cop on.

    And with the DART logo after getting even smaller and put in a narrow font too, I feel sorry for people not familiar with the Dublin rail system now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭patrickbrophy18


    Will they still be branded as "Commuter"?

    The reason why I ask is that there is no indication of this on sides of the coaches.

    In my opinion, people will get more confused between the DART and Commuter brand of trains if the keep trying to bring more green in to the colour scheme. The partially white and blue stripe at the bottom half of the coaches distinguished the Commuter livery from that on the DART.

    Don't get me wrong, the colour is very vibrant!:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    MGWR wrote: »
    Wonder how they managed in pre-DART days, when all but the Dublin-Cork Mark 2D "Supertrains" looked like this, colour-scheme wise.
    Geograph-1660973-by-Aubrey-Dale.jpg

    And it seems that IE is stuck on thinking that a different colour coat of paint will make any difference to the service other than to waste money.

    The MkII "Super Trains" never carried a colour scheme similar to the above -thankfully.

    Mk%2B2%2Bfirst%2Blivery%2B1976.jpg

    How anybody could think that the new (?) 29k livery is attractive is quite beyond me - is it really as bad as it looks or is it just crap photographs? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    I think the new livery looks very private UK operator type. I say when it weathers a bit and tones down it will look ok.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭LoonyLovegood


    I saw the cab half out of the paint shop last week when I was passing Inchicore and I thought I was seeing things. Kind of reminds me of the Hulk.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    A darker shade of green would have been better :D

    Dare I say it British Racing Green? ;) Which was Irish I know :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭GTE


    It is no orange but glad to see something different. Between Irish Rail and Bus Eireann, there was something characterful and different about the liveries before they were changed. The new BE intercity stuff is not great. I am very much not a fan of the current intercity and DMU liveries. which I think are a bit bland.

    I am 50/50 on the slate grey of the 071 class but, I guess there is something about that colour and big feck off work horse machines :D

    That said, I drive around in a big blue car so I do like strong colours. :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 459 ✭✭Julius Seizure


    Oh no, the poor people won't be able to know what direction the service is to based on the colour of the train :v

    I think it's great, consolidating brands is kind of good. Tbh I always thought the commuter brand should be merged with DART, I mean it is Dublin transport. Saying "get the commuter" never worked as well as dart/arrow/luas and these convey rapid transit vs intercity trains which is good for uptake of say the maynooth lines, especially with eventual electrification. It makes the network feel more of a network, and it's not too hard for people to look at destination signs!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,175 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Oh no, the poor people won't be able to know what direction the service is to based on the colour of the train :v

    I think it's great, consolidating brands is kind of good. Tbh I always thought the commuter brand should be merged with DART, I mean it is Dublin transport. Saying "get the commuter" never worked as well as dart/arrow/luas and these convey rapid transit vs intercity trains which is good for uptake of say the maynooth lines, especially with eventual electrification. It makes the network feel more of a network, and it's not too hard for people to look at destination signs!
    agree, i believe irish rail made a mistake getting rid of the "arrow" brand, it gave it some separation from the dart in that people knew it was a diesel and not to just assoom its destination

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    Nibs05 wrote: »
    Here we go, very nice in my opinion

    A very attractive livery. The solid green makes the DM look less rubbish or something.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 131 ✭✭GBOA


    Goodness knows how 'normals' are able to use any form of public transport in the absence of an enthusiast chaperone who can differentiate the subtleties of livery for them.

    It's a classic old style livery and very smart it is too. Bears more than a passing resemblance to the London Midland one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 752 ✭✭✭micraX


    29 grand on paint is an awful.amount. How many trains are being done?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    micraX wrote: »
    29 grand on paint is an awful.amount. How many darts are being done?

    29k is the name of the DMUs that are being re painted. They are known as the 29000 class or 29k for short. It will cost alot more than 29 grand to paint all 116 units though.

    DARTs are not getting a new livery, just new logos.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    ...and they aren'rtDARTs...the confusion started already!


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Lets face it, the units are currently very shabby on the outside and have been lacking TLC in that area for a while, although one would hope if they are repainted, that they look after the exterior condition a bit more and don't allow them to get into the state they currently are, although it should be easier with the new colours to preserve them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    corktina wrote: »
    The unit was due a repaint...how is that wasting money?..and it doesn't look anything like a Dart!

    they would have had to pay someone to 'design' that mess but other that that not much of a cost, simpler paintjob so probably saved some cash compared to the old ones.

    Horrible though IMO


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭CaptainSkidmark


    No wonder the price of tickets is borderline extortion, constantly changing liveries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,527 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    If the unit was due for a repaint it's fair enough, but IE should stop faffing about with its coat of many colours and choose one scheme and leave it at that!

    Maybe it's experimental I don't know, but imo it's a bit dull without any lighter bands of colour and is going to be confused with the well known DART scheme. The platform enders will be able to tell the difference, but the 'normals' who simply look out for the approach of a box-shaped thing on wheels won't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    If the unit was due for a repaint it's fair enough, but IE should stop faffing about with its coat of many colours and choose one scheme and leave it at that!
    CIE have always had an obsession with constantly changing liveries and colour schemes; destroying any kind of brand long term brand recognition


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,527 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    CIE have always had an obsession with constantly changing liveries and colour schemes; destroying any kind of brand long term brand recognition

    Not the case with Bus Eireann, the red/white has been around a long time and the red setter as well.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,543 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I think the livery looks really nice considering it was a surprise to see it.

    It is highly likely now for that livery to get confusion among the commuters going to/from work in the next few weeks.

    Has it gone on a commuter run showing it's new paintjob yet?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    I think the livery looks really nice considering it was a surprise to see it.

    It is highly likely now for that livery to get confusion among the commuters going to/from work in the next few weeks.

    Has it gone on a commuter run showing it's new paintjob yet?

    The issues is and always has been lazy bastard drivers not updating the name board display. Last week I got on a DART which said Malahide and was going to Howth.

    This is a cancer of epidemic proportions among the drivers at CIE and their culture and does lots to kill confidence in public transport.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,527 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    The issues is and always has been lazy bastard drivers not updating the name board display. Last week I got on a DART which said Malahide and was going to Howth.

    This is a cancer of epidemic proportions among the drivers at CIE and their culture and does lots to kill confidence in public transport.

    Not all of them are like that, granted interest in your role and pride in the job are increasingly rare things, landing into the job on the coat-tails of your father/uncle or whoever and going through the motions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    Just one reason why privatisation would be a good thing (I'm sure there are reasons why it would be a bad thing too)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    CIE have always had an obsession with constantly changing liveries and colour schemes; destroying any kind of brand long term brand recognition

    In fairness the 29ks have been going around with the Commuter livery since they were delivered in 2003.

    The 2600s, 2700s and 2008s carried the Arrow livery from 1993, 1998 and 2000 as they were delivered till is was phased out for the Commuter livery in 2003.

    They are not always changing colour schemes. The Mk4 Intercity livery is 7 years old at this stage.

    I think they should have left the Commuter branding but made the liver more recognisable from a DART. Bring back the Arrow livery for the 29ks I say.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,870 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Will they still be branded as "Commuter"?

    The reason why I ask is that there is no indication of this on sides of the coaches.

    The Commuter logo was officially dropped in January 2013 (it hasn't appeared in any print materials since then) but they seem to be phasing in the new logo very very slowly - no Commuter units have been rebranded until now (nearly fifteen months later!). At this rate it will take about five years to introduce the new logo!

    It looks like a really nice livery, would like to see it in the flesh.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    The issues is and always has been lazy bastard drivers not updating the name board display. Last week I got on a DART which said Malahide and was going to Howth.

    I've seen that as well and on some occasions the driver has set it wrong, but it is not like that all the time, since it plagues some classes of trains more than others without doubt.

    I think the PIS system on the 8100 seems to fare a hell of a lot better than on every other type of rolling stock Irish Rail have, I've not seen one get it wrong for a long time, and thelast time I did it was set wrong at the terminus.

    The other DARTS however are a nightmare, frequently get stuck or don't work at all and are blank.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 459 ✭✭Julius Seizure


    corktina wrote: »
    ...and they aren'rtDARTs...the confusion started already!

    I don't see how this is such a problem though, for anyone commuting out of Heuston all (ok except 4) trains are identical but they seem to cope just fine :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭GTE


    I don't see how this is such a problem though, for anyone commuting out of Heuston all (ok except 4) trains are identical but they seem to cope just fine :confused:

    Natural progression of the thought process behind any possible "this looks like a dart" crap is painting buses different colours for each route. :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    bbk wrote: »
    Natural progression of the thought process behind any possible "this looks like a dart" crap is painting buses different colours for each route. :p

    they do just that in Reading UK....very popular it is too

    http://www.reading-buses.co.uk/files/images/Bus%20photos/our%20fleet%20of%20buses.jpg


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