single parent tax credits

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

However as she's the primary carer but not currently working, it means she won't get it either so it's win-win for Noonan and co. The only one who loses out is my son!

she can relinquish the credit to you by filling out a short form, split the difference with her, better in your pockets...

Citizenpain wrote: »

Don't the kids need to reside with him 100 days to make that possible ?

if the child stays over night with the dad, lets say every Saturday, that counts as two days (sat & sun) as partial days are counted as full days so that would be 104 days for year

The problem is there aren't enough separated dads who actually provide for their children and avail of this credit to actually make enough noise to have it reversed, this was an easy target for pittance in the grand scheme of things...

Kaiser2000, I would never recommend or encourage this in any other circumstance but make a small white lie maybe in order about how often your child stays?

Hi, so I am a little confused about the Single Person Child Carer Credit, I am researching this for my partner who has a child and noticed today when he got his pay slip he has been deducted.

I have printed off the information from revenue.ie to bring home.
He pays maintenance, contributes to school expenses, bills etc. and keeps to his allocated time.

The mother of his child (primary claimant) would she have had to apply for this? Does she get this amount automatically?
The secondary claimant, would this be the child’s father (my partner)?

Also, does anyone know what his entitlements to access are, I know fathers’ rights are practically non-existence in Ireland but what if any are his entitlements, he pays maintenance etc
I will admit the mother of his child does make it difficult for us at times.

Being with someone who has a child has really opened my eyes to how little rights fathers have to their child (children) and how mothers know they have the upper hand and play to this.

He rang the tax office, they are sending him a form which he will have to get signed by the mother of his child, how will this work, surely if she is getting this money she wont want to give it up too easily….

Thank you in advance for any help or advice

Dublin Muppet wrote: »

I think it automatically goes to the parent who is in receipt of child benefit. If your partner is living with you he is not entitlled to claim the credit

My partner doesn't want to claim the credit. He already pays maintenance, contributes to schooling, medical expenses etc so why should he have to pay this aswell.
Would if have been the mother of his child that would have had to fill in the claim form or does it automatically just come out of his account? Its just a bit confusing.

This is a revenue tax credit that the primary carer claims against their income. If your partners wages are down it probably means that he was claiming the old one parent family tax credit which has now been abolished and he cannot claim the new primary carer credit if his ex is claiming it

Citizenpain wrote: »

He doesn't pay it ! It's a credit given against tax by revenue similar to paye tax credit or personal tax credit .

As in ; it reduces the tax a person pays if they qualify

Ok maybe not paying it as such but its a deduction in his wages, its €31 per week, he already pays maintence, school costs etc as I said before.... will his ex receive all of this €31?

My situation is somewhat different, if anyone has any experience or advice.

My ex wife moved to the UK a number of years back with our daughter. Similar to a previous poster the costs involved for me are extensive, from child support, to travelling expenses to the UK for visits, to paying for my daughters travel to and from the UK for frequent visits to Ireland. My daughter spends a lot of time with me in Ireland. Weekends, school and summer holidays etc.

I have been in receipt of the one parent family tax credit which has made these expenses more manageable, but am now faced with a reduction of some €2,500 net over the course of 2014 as a result of these changes.

This is very hard to stomach, and can only result in my daughter being disadvantaged.

My assumption is (correct me if I am wrong), that based on the fact that my ex wife resides outside the jurisdiction with my daughter, and are in receipt of children's allowance in the UK, that she would not be entitled to the single person child carer credit regardless of whether she was agreeable to surrender her entitlement to the credit.

Has anyone come across such a scenario or can anyone suggest any possible solutions?

Thanks in advance

Hi there,

I am in the same boat as you. It's is clearly designed for one parent to receive the credit in this case it's is us as we are the ones working in Ireland and paying tax.

Even if your child is with you for 100 or more , your ex partner cannot receive an irish tax credit as she is out of the state. Therefor she cannot sign it over to you.

Any father who has a child living out of the state is gonna be paying tax as a single man.

It is discrimination at the fullest. Your child is entitled to child benefit here but the mother gets the payment you have to fill in a cb1 form and provide you and your ex details and they will pay your ex the difference between the payments in both countries so that your child receives the same amount as an irish child.

I've called the minister for finance office, the revenue, citizen advice, my local td and one family org, we are hitting a brick wall.

My child is with me over 100 days a year between school holidays and wknds and days I spend with him in the uk also..I'm lucky with my job that I can get over easily and get him home but it still a cost.

I'm wondering can anything be done on a European level

If anyone can help or share light on this please get in touch

Hey guys...
The mother is not entitled to the credit if she is co hab or married or lives out of state.

Anyone who has a kid to a foreign mother has lost their credit as the mother can't receive it therefore cannot relinquish it to the father.

I'm being taxed as a single man and my child is not recognised by this country

My advice is to email your local TDs and the minister for finance and Taoiseach

Also appeal it with the revenue and contact the appeals commissioner

I've received mail back from the government that they are looking in to it .

Daveo1982 wrote: »

Hi
I have my son over the 100 days and my x is married and still claiming the tax credit and won't relinquish it is there anything I can do I've sent forms in and just keep sending them back asking for the primary to relinquish it I also give her maintenance every month so this has hit me hard in my pocket as I live alone and pay for stuff for my kid also now he asks to do stuff and I just have to say I've no money

If not relinquished I don't think you have any choices here unfortunately apart from common sense and split the credit between you but I am aware that this is sometimes never going to be an option when dealing with a separation of the previous relationship.

I have spent almost 4 months fighting this with mail after mail after mail after conversation after conversation after conversation after returned mail after returned mail after returned mail (annoying isn't it?) Well then multiply that by a 100 and you will still be nowhere near how frustrated I became having to deal with the Revenue and trying my best to explain my situation.

I was told by revenue officials on at least 7 occasions (5-6 different members of staff) that I did not qualify for the SPTC (or whatever it's called now) but I insisted that I was and I sent in a 5 page detailed review of my situation (5 weeks ago) and how from statements shown on the revenue website I was fully entitled to the credit.

I also spoke to my local TD (FG Dublin South) and asked if I could reference her name on the letter and if I did not receive satisfaction I would be taking my claim further up the chain of command.

I have just received my credit through my accountant in work and they have also backdated the amount of money I have lost this year.

Summary: Revenue officials do not know what they are talking about when discussing it with the parents involved as this new framework is only in existence the last 4.5 months so they will and have made incorrect statements to me and I assume others on numerous occasions without actually knowing what it right & wrong. I can also assume that many people will just ring up and inquire and if told no will then just call it a day. I could have called it a day on so many levels but just kept fighting for what i know to be correct and in the end got what I deserve.

Advice: When the revenue phone line tells you the call is being recorded it is also a good idea to tell the representative that you are also recording the call. I have an app on my phone which records my selected calls but from experience I find it best to allow the call to progress towards conclusion (or basically fobbing you off) before you tell them that you are/were recording the call and see how the attitude changes IMMEDIATELY from being 100% sure you are not entitled to the credit to an attitude of well actually I'm not sure and you should speak to someone who does know which is usually the supervisor (also let them know and see them also claim not to know exactly who is entitled)

My experience has shown me that they do not actually care if you deserve it, want it, entitled to it but would sooner finish the call and go for a cuppa. Am i being harsh? Not at all - i have gone through hell with each and every member of staff I ever spoke to and have no other observation than they are wasters.

Everything that is wrong with this country can be summed up in my dealings with the revenue Re; single parent tax credit.

Good luck to all of you and never give up or believe anything they tell you over the phone. Our situations are complex and have many facets of confusion which they do not want to investigate so it's up to you guys to detail it just like a solicitors letter with threats of media coverage or even just asking them for their full name and position and that you have the full call recorded and will highlight exactly what they have TOLD YOU WAS FACT!

Nothing like a public show for someone to step right back and change their stance on things that were FACT only 1 minute previous to your threat.

I'm now €49 better off each week which makes a big difference to me.

My x is still receiving the credit also just for reference and fully entitled to I might add rather than a revenue clerical error.

owiseone wrote: »

she is only entitled to one tax credit no matter how many children she has so if she relinquishes her entitlement to you she can no longer claim it so you both will not get it. if she has 2 kids by different fathers both fathers would be entitled to the credit if she relinquishes hers. If they satisfy all the qualifying criteria of course.

from FAQ on revenue website :-
A primary claimant has three qualifying children and is in receipt of one credit. Can he
or she surrender a credit in respect of one of the children while retaining his or her own
claim?
No. A claimant is only entitled to one credit regardless of the number of qualifying children
residing with him or her. He or she would have to surrender that credit in respect of all the
children for any of the children to become the subject of a claim by a secondary claimant. It
should be noted that where a credit is surrendered a number of secondary claimants may
make claims in respect of each of the children, (once they qualify as secondary claimants).

Again too many different individual circumstances to cover everyone but if a mother has two kids for example by two different fathers the mother can claim for one of the kids and keep her credit and the father can claim for his child also which the mother does not claim for (once mother is not claiming for that particular child as there is no extra benefit to claim for both)

Does that makes sense?

Use the same situation as above but with both kids being by one father and you cannot have two credits awarded - Just the one awarded to the children's allowance receiver (99% the mother)

Frank Boggins wrote: »

Hey I would love some help on this.

I am after getting shafted on this.

My ex has 2 kids with another lad and I am wondering would she get it cause of them kids and I could get it for my son?

definitely open to you once she is willing to only claim for one child (not yours) and then you claim for your child only.

Both will obtain the full credit.